Arguable. It depends on who you think he would've brought in. That summer after he was sacked, Van Gaal came in and brought in Di Maria, Falcao, Blind and a couple of others. It didn't work out but you wonder who Moyes would've been able to attract at that time. Maybe he would've targeted players more suited to how he wanted to line up?
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Yeah I know but I also felt that Moyes felt the pressure of taking over SAF at the club and the Club had the ambition and mindset of a SAF club.
We are not like that now. People are saying we are closer resembling Arsenal.
If Moyes took over Ole instead I think he would be in less pressure and maybe would have done better.
I don't rate him highly or anything- the only reason I feel like I kind of wonder a bit is because I contemplate what exactly did SAF see in him by choosing him as the manager to take over him.
Goes to show what can be achieved against a team that's better than you when your group of players deliver intensity, heart, effort, passion and pure desire. The very opposite of Man Uniteds players yesterday.
He would have gotten players that fitted him to a tee. Strong, fast and disciplined.
Not sure Mata was his pick.
I mean, I can definitely agree with the point that Ole has lowered expectations to the point that Moyes would have less pressure on his shoulders if he were to come in now than we when he got the job, but that surely just proves the point: a West Ham or an Everton is his level and he doesn't have the mindset to manage a bigger club. No shame in that.
So he picked Fellaini but then didn't pick Mata?
Not sure Moyes had any clue what image he had in mind for United.
No different to anyone else that tried.
Not at united’s level? He was put in an impossible position 9 yrs ago. 9 yrs later after learning quite a bit and putting in the time he is easily at united’s level at this point in time. He wasn’t at their level in 2013. He would be challenging with united‘s squad easily right now. Then again there is at least 5-6 mgrs right now who would.
The point of the post was to:
1. Point out he is suprime level and a good fit for United.
2. Thathe needed time but we didn’t allow it which is hunting us to this day.
3. That there are still idiot fans out there that don’t realize this and will find excuses when it is pointed out.
Steady manager for a midtable club. Yes he's got west ham playing well but come on, there's still 2/3 of the season left. I think there's a stat that he's never won at a top side away from home in his career in the league. A career that spans what? 20 years?
Also not a fan of his football. Bit outdated. His crossing and set piece football would actually work with Ronaldo and Cavani in the box but the emphasis to be hard to beat etc just doesn't cut it at a big club where we need to be on the front foot. Is he a better manager than ole? Ofcourse..because he's got a game plan and gets the best out of what he's got. But he's not a Manchester united manager and never was.
Also not a fan of his football. Bit outdated. His crossing and set piece football would actually work with Ronaldo and Cavani in the box but the emphasis to be hard to beat etc just doesn't cut it at a big club where we need to be on the front foot. Is he a better manager than ole? Ofcourse..because he's got a game plan and gets the best out of what he's got. But he's not a Manchester united manager and never was.
LVG clearly had an image. Mourinho had one even though it was misguided. Also if your point is just that Moyes did an equally terrible job to those two, then sure but it doesn't make him any less unsuited to the United job.
That first West Ham goal is so funny, especially the reverse angle slow motion Replay.
Corner comes in
Ogbonna jumps
Alison misses
Alison and Ogbonna fall
Ball hits the back of the net
Antonio face plants to the floor
Corner comes in
Ogbonna jumps
Alison misses
Alison and Ogbonna fall
Ball hits the back of the net
Antonio face plants to the floor
He is 58 years old, failed at his only ever big job, and then failed in his next two jobs after that.
Doing well at West Ham doesn’t mean he is at United’s level. It just means United have one of the worst managers possible in control right now. Moyes still isn’t United’s level, and you wouldn’t have him at Liverpool either.
Yeah maybe he would have done better than he did in 2014, maybe he would have done worse who knows. But regardless if he finished outside the top 4 he would have been sacked just like he was in 2014, just like LVG was in 2016 and just like Jose got sacked in 2018 when it looked like he was headed towards finishing outside the top 4.
That question he returned in that interview was brilliant. He’s clearly enjoying this journey with WHU.
Had to laugh had Wilshires Ole-esque analysis that they ‘run, tackle and counter attack’, would he consider a career in management??
Had to laugh had Wilshires Ole-esque analysis that they ‘run, tackle and counter attack’, would he consider a career in management??
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The chosen one indeed. In a parallel universe David has United humming along as a 21st century version of SAF. Those first 4 seasons were rough though.
He’s a good manager.
I actually like him
I actually like him
ours dont buy into anyone.
Patronise Moyes and West Ham at your peril. They fill a stadium of 60,000 and have the potential to be a real force. They have always been a soft touch, but that looks to have gone now.
Moyes has the potential be a legacy manager for them like Robson at Ipswich, Busby for us and Shankly at Liverpool.
it is easy to scoff now, but Moyes groomed by Jim McLean and Sir Alex.
A billionaire is now looking to plow money in, so this could develop into a very interesting story.
You have to wonder how high Moyes could have taken Everton, as they were always hampered by economics under his watch.
Moyes has the potential be a legacy manager for them like Robson at Ipswich, Busby for us and Shankly at Liverpool.
it is easy to scoff now, but Moyes groomed by Jim McLean and Sir Alex.
A billionaire is now looking to plow money in, so this could develop into a very interesting story.
You have to wonder how high Moyes could have taken Everton, as they were always hampered by economics under his watch.
As of 2021, saying "Moyes In", doesn't sound ridiculous anymore, unlike in 2014-20.
It seems we should have given him the 3-4 years, not to Ole.
It seems we should have given him the 3-4 years, not to Ole.
It’s a tough one, with hindsight maybe, but we had no idea how far we ‘should’ have been willing to fall, 7th seemed an absolute disaster and in many ways that was, but we had no case study of a manager leaving a dynasty in recent times to compare too. It certainly felt overdue by the time we sacked him.
In fairness, Ole took us to 3rd and 2nd, despite the mitigating circumstances of those two seasons and deserved to start this season as manager. He is now overstaying his welcome though and undoing all of the good work he had done prior.
He had 3 more points than Ole has this season, after 11 games with us.
One thing is sure, of all our ex-managers still in the game, he's easily the best atm. LvG was out of job for 5 years before Holland came with an offer and Mourinho still continues to decline it seems.
I'm happy for Moyes, no doubt it was tough for him after United, tried in Spain, then with Sunderland, West Ham first time, now again and it's best he's looked since his Everton days. Well done to him, improved and worked on himself and gets his rewards for it. And mentioning Everton, apart from that really good 2013/14 season under Martinez, so far they were worse in any season then under Moyes. Wonder if they'd want him back now or there's still dislike like there seemed to be back in 2014?
I'm happy for Moyes, no doubt it was tough for him after United, tried in Spain, then with Sunderland, West Ham first time, now again and it's best he's looked since his Everton days. Well done to him, improved and worked on himself and gets his rewards for it. And mentioning Everton, apart from that really good 2013/14 season under Martinez, so far they were worse in any season then under Moyes. Wonder if they'd want him back now or there's still dislike like there seemed to be back in 2014?
I’m not at all surprised that we’re on track for a comparable season to 13/14 based on what I’m seeing so far. When did we sack Moyes again?
Think it was March/April time.
Yep, it will be like when Roy went to manager England after doing fantastic at West Brom. All the flaws that exposed him at Liverpool crept up again.
Moyes is fantastic at what he does, i know it will be easier said than done if a top team comes calling again but he should stick to the level he thrives at this time.
They are the third best league side in the calendar year, so it’s not just a third of a season.
He has actually won more points than the much-hyped Rodgers in the league over the full term of his second spell and they are fighting on three fronts at the moment. They put both us and Man City out of the cup, and are top of their group in Europe.
Fact is, he would be favourite for the United job at the moment if he wasn’t a former manager.
Sighs. Of course the crucial date was when CL qualification was no longer achievable..
Ole’s record is cash doped to the max. The amount of money he has wasted is nothing short of disgraceful.
Roy’s “flaws” are overstated. He was excellent at Inter when Serie A was the best league in the world.
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Sure, like 50 years ago
Moyes is a clown no way will they finish top 4.
Brilliant at Fulham and WBA. Rescued his boyhood club Palace. He went into Liverpool at the height of their ownership problems and paid the price.
His overall career is one of a top manager. Not legend class, but very good.
After 20 years of constant success under Fergie we were spoiled with success so much that Moyes season was a catastrophe. Out of League Cup in semis vs Sunderland, out of FA cup at the very beginning at home to Swansea, 0/12 points vs City and Liverpool with 1-11 goal difference, numerous negative records at OT broken. Only positives about that season was our away record against 'smaller' teams and CL campaign as we got out of group in style and made Bayern work hard to knock us out. But at time the pressure on him was too big and he was probably never going to survive it.
Perhaps Moyes gets another chance at top club and proves us wrong but it seems like he's much more comfortable at teams like West Ham.
It's not surprising he's doing well at West Ham. Clubs like Everton and West Ham are perfect platforms for Moyes' brand of pragmatic football. He has enough resources to bring in quality, but doesn't feel compelled to play expansive football. Surrendering possession and playing compact against decent opposition simply can't be the long term game plan at the biggest clubs. Ole did it to great effect at the beginning of his tenure, but he too was pressured to play a more expansive game, and it's unravelling for him. The same will apply to a lot of the players currently excelling under Moyes. Demand more of them and they'll struggle.
I wonder if the Liverpool fans still have the "David Moyes is a football genius" banner.
I'm pleased he's doing well, just the wrong person at the wrong time for us.
I'm pleased he's doing well, just the wrong person at the wrong time for us.
He finished in the top four with Everton so he knows what it takes to get West Ham up there. Funnily enough after 11 games, Everton in 2004/05 had the same points total as West Ham do now (23).
But the competition is much tougher and Everton struggled the following season. Can see West Ham's form dip after the international break, some tough games.
He's a good manager, The first manager in after Sir Alex was always going to be in for a rough ride and ultimately, he wasn't given enough time.
He took over a squad with a lot of big egos, most of them past their prime to boot which was always going to be a recipe for disaster.
If we'd have given him more time, he may have been a success once he replaced the hierarchy of Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and Giggs.
He took over a squad with a lot of big egos, most of them past their prime to boot which was always going to be a recipe for disaster.
If we'd have given him more time, he may have been a success once he replaced the hierarchy of Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and Giggs.
I spent years disliking him but I’m pleased for him. Hope he wins the league cup.