stevoc
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I think he's done well at West Ham and deserves a shot at the big time. I wouldn't mind him taking over when Ole retires.
Yeah in 25 years time, hey who knows.
I think he's done well at West Ham and deserves a shot at the big time. I wouldn't mind him taking over when Ole retires.
Same here, that 2013 appointment shook the foundations of the club from which United are still trying to fully recover from.Seeing him on the Old Trafford touchline makes me shiver.
Theres degrees of negativity. They started the match 6 points behind with a game in hand and played with 5 defenders and 3 defensive midfielders. To be clear it wasn't a 3-5-2 or anything close, their fullbacks didn't leave their own half. It didn't even work well, we hit the post twice, missed a couple of easy chances and the own goal probably would have went in without dawsons touch.Never thought I'd see the day where a West Ham manager is criticised for taking up a negative approach away at Old Trafford
The fact that United only won the game through an unfortunate own goal suggests to me that he got his tactics spot on. Had his team been more expansive they would almost certainly have gotten picked off by a United team that are lightning on the counter attack.
Never thought I'd see the day where a West Ham manager is criticised for taking up a negative approach away at Old Trafford
The fact that United only won the game through an unfortunate own goal suggests to me that he got his tactics spot on. Had his team been more expansive they would almost certainly have gotten picked off by a United team that are lightning on the counter attack.
HAs he got an away win at Arsenal, Pool, Utd or Chelsea yet?
I hope you are just joking. Obviously this has to be sarcasm. He is doing a cracking job at West Ham. Not the first time he has given up a 2 goal lead I think.The way Moyes is going it wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility for him to be back at Man Utd as manager in the future. At least he wouldn’t have to succeed Sir Alex this time.
Surely he's in the picture for Manager of the year by now?
Although they'll probably give it to baldy...
If at the time of the vote baldy is still on target for a quadruple, it’s honestly very hard to argue otherwise.
Even though he has by far the best squad in the league with the most resources?
With two fullbacks that cost more than the entire West Ham squad. The manager of the team that wins the PL shouldn’t always win the award.If at the time of the vote baldy is still on target for a quadruple, it’s honestly very hard to argue otherwise.
With two fullbacks that cost more than the entire West Ham squad. The manager of the team that wins the PL shouldn’t always win the award.
Yes, I’m not even sure why you’re arguing otherwise.
Well said. The last winner of the Manager of the Season who did not win the league was Pulis in 13/14, for rescuing Palace from relegation zone and they finished 11th. Moyes has achieved much this season.Because Pep Guardiola was expected to win the league with this squad. David Moyes was not expected to have West Ham in the group stages of the Champions League.
You'd be as well just scrapping the manager of the year award and just giving it to whoever wins the league by default if we're ignoring all context and sense of achievement.
It's his perfect little niche, the plucky underdog. It's a shame he's doing well as it secures an otherwise subpar manager on the merry go round for another decade and is one more managerial spot unavailable for some fresh ideas. I had hoped we'd seen the back of him after a string of failures.
When your team is 4th in the table you're about 8 places up from plucky underdog. West Ham have been the 4th best out of 20 teams
"Getting to the byline, getting the ball in the box" to me is much more interesting than the so-called possession football (dull) nowadays.It's Everton all over again.
Position doesn't matter, he sets them up to be hard to beat and nick points against the big teams. Get to the byline, get the ball in the box, make it hard for them. All the same shite he used to say here. It works in a very specific set of circumstances, but its fecking dull and brings nothing new or interesting to the game.
Guys like him, Hodgson, Hughes and so on hit success once a decade and it enables them to hang around in management bringing nothing but outdated ideas, and cuts off the route to the top for newer, potentially much better managers.
I think David Moyes's success at West Ham shows that he wasn't that wretchedly pathetic manager we all made him out to be. He was not a top manager but he was also not a bad manager, he just happened to be the worst manager we had in the history of the club because he couldn't handle the players and coming in to fill SAF's position is always going to be an impossible task. Most importantly, it shows the club has deeper underlying issues behind the scenes beyond the manager's ability as we can see with Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho's departure. Ole has his weakness of course and I rate our past two managers over him but his biggest strength is his extremely high EQ, his ability to strike a balance between the board and his players. His man-management and refusal to throw the players under the bus has made the players go all out to get a result for him whenever his job is under threat. I still don't think he is the manager to bring us back to the elite level we once belonged, but I've already accepted that he is what we need for now.
Focusing on Moyes - given this is what the thread is about, not Ole - he’s a proven manager who can point to multiple successful spells with clubs at varying levels of football.
I don’t think his style of football was right for us at the time but, if we pretend he was the right guy for the sake of debate, it’s all about timing. Moyes came immediately post SAF - the team had just won the PL and fan expectation had yet to be tempered and slowly eroded as it has now. It was genuinely an impossible job.
One thing I am confused by is posters who say they play like Everton did under Moyes - they really don’t. He’s definitely changed his setup somewhat, they’re actually quite similar to United in how they line up and their ability/willingness to break forward in numbers.
How so, he did well with Everton & Preston?Multiple is a bit of a stretch.
And it was no where near an impossible job, difficult arguably but not impossible .Most fans didn't expect the title in his first season. Most expected a transition, squad rebuild and at least a top 4 finish, which with that squad still should have been a tap in.
Let's not rewrite history here.
It's Everton all over again.
Position doesn't matter, he sets them up to be hard to beat and nick points against the big teams. Get to the byline, get the ball in the box, make it hard for them. All the same shite he used to say here. It works in a very specific set of circumstances, but its fecking dull and brings nothing new or interesting to the game.
Guys like him, Hodgson, Hughes and so on hit success once a decade and it enables them to hang around in management bringing nothing but outdated ideas, and cuts off the route to the top for newer, potentially much better managers.
How so, he did well with Everton & Preston?
I agree he should have done better (and he was never qualified in the first place).
Very unfair on Hodgson.
I agree on Moyes though. The metrics of success in this country are ridiculous. Bielsa at Leeds should give all clubs something to target. Play football, not attritional anti-football. It’s possible, and needn’t cost more to do so.
Guys like him, Hodgson, Hughes and so on hit success once a decade and it enables them to hang around in management bringing nothing but outdated ideas, and cuts off the route to the top for newer, potentially much better managers.
Can you name any that they've blocked in the last 10 years? As far as I remember Moyes and Hodgson have come in to replace failing managers and have managed to do alright.
I think David Moyes's success at West Ham shows that he wasn't that wretchedly pathetic manager we all made him out to be. He was not a top manager but he was also not a bad manager, he just happened to be the worst manager we had in the history of the club because he couldn't handle the players and coming in to fill SAF's position is always going to be an impossible task. Most importantly, it shows the club has deeper underlying issues behind the scenes beyond the manager's ability as we can see with Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho's departure. Ole has his weakness of course and I rate our past two managers over him but his biggest strength is his extremely high EQ, his ability to strike a balance between the board and his players. His man-management and refusal to throw the players under the bus has made the players go all out to get a result for him whenever his job is under threat. I still don't think he is the manager to bring us back to the elite level we once belonged, but I've already accepted that he is what we need for now.
Don’t most of cities goals come from this and are known and lauded for it?It's Everton all over again.
Position doesn't matter, he sets them up to be hard to beat and nick points against the big teams. Get to the byline, get the ball in the box, make it hard for them. All the same shite he used to say here. It works in a very specific set of circumstances, but its fecking dull and brings nothing new or interesting to the game.
Guys like him, Hodgson, Hughes and so on hit success once a decade and it enables them to hang around in management bringing nothing but outdated ideas, and cuts off the route to the top for newer, potentially much better managers.
This is his peak, a club like United was a step too far for him but he can take a mid-bottom of the table club and get them into the top half and knocking on the top 4 door.Don’t most of cities goals come from this and are known and lauded for it?
as Shit as he was here he’s done a pretty good job at both Everton and West Ham imo and the football is hardly dreadful.