Utd away to Everton next week …bloody hell
David Moyes | Everton Manager
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When was the last time we finished below them?
When David Moyes was your manager.
When David Moyes was your manager.
When David Moyes was your manager.
Irony
When David Moyes was your manager.
Probably this season
We are going to be hammered there, aren't we... It'll be the grim reaper all over again.
They will finish above us.
If there’s ever a manager made for a club it’s moyes and Everton.
They just fit together fantastically.
They just fit together fantastically.
Moyes is just a good manager. Better than any of your managers since Mourinho was fired. He is probably better than Mourinho now as well.
I wonder if that grim reaper geezer will turn up again, only behind Ruben. United's last game at Goodison. The end of an era.
It was him who dithered over identified club targets. For him it was either Bale, Fabregas or Baines and Fellaini. Our club signings for LVG (herrera, Shaw) were actually quite good.
Maybe the only club that hasn’t sacked him as manager
Nice.When David Moyes was your manager.
When David Moyes was your manager.
TBF, Moyes never finished a season with United
Technically West Ham never sacked him. His contract expired both times.
Fair enough
I doubt that scenario would have happened in reality. Nobody else stepping up after the failed lob says that United weren`t going to win that match and they didn`t. And who would United have faced if they had got to the Semi?
As somebody said in different words, Sir Alex had the influence there in Moyes being appointed and he shouldn`t have though at the time it was clear that United were hoping to get a Ferguson type manager and Moyes fitted some of the criteria. Moyes did seem to stuff it up for himself despite the fact that coming after Sir Alex was always going to be fraught with difficulty.
Moyes had the structures in place but he wanted to tinker to show he was his own man, the wrong approach. He didn`t do the massive clearing out of coaching staff that some think but he brought in people from Everton he trusted - Phil Neville was a logical appointment because he knew the MU culture but Moyes relied too much on those people instead of what was already at Old Trafford.
He had a team of proven winners regardless of the age of some and in order to stamp his authority on the team he chose some odd battles. Banning chips on Fridays and an obsession with the team making crosses along with other `strategies` just were fruitless exercises. I don`t believe he could have saved his job by getting certain players because in order to be his own man he was not listening to staff who`d seen it all at Old Trafford.
Another oddity about Moyes though not when he was with us was his reference to giving a female journalist ` a slap`. Regardless of how serious or not the comment was, he wouldn`t want to be saying anything like that in today`s culture and he was lucky when he said it to not have it turn into an issue in the media and elsewhere.
True but he was sacked with 4 games to go. It was as good as his season.
So what has actually changed at Everton in terms of player selection and tactics? I've seen bits and pieces of their matches but not enough to know what has changed. Was he able to promote/bring in some new coaching staff for example?
I get that the team had become kind of subdued under Dyche to the point where they were coming out looking like they expected to fail. A kind of infectious try not to lose mentality that wears down the players and the fans.
It looks like Moyes and Everton are just made for one another - fate. I'm just intrigued by what that actually looks like in terms of the way they play.
I get that the team had become kind of subdued under Dyche to the point where they were coming out looking like they expected to fail. A kind of infectious try not to lose mentality that wears down the players and the fans.
It looks like Moyes and Everton are just made for one another - fate. I'm just intrigued by what that actually looks like in terms of the way they play.
Jake O'Brien a 23 year old defender instead of a 39 year old defender in Ashley Young at right back was an obvious one. James Garner came back from injury seems to have been a help, another fresh 23-year-old to give a bit more life in the team, got a tune out of Beto up front too. In general I think they have a decent defence but Dyche was so defensive that it got very stale, Moyes isn't exactly an attacking manager but he's more balanced than Dyche and open to trying more attacking gameplans depending on the match.
Confidence and doing every action with intent and a belief that you will succeed is probably the most underappreciated aspect of top level sport in this day and age where micro-analysis is the be all-end all.
It won't single-handedly make you a very good team, but City in the last few months is a good example that the lack of it can easily turn what should still be a decent team into even a pretty bad one.
I also personally am of the opinion that this is where most of the newly promoted teams have gone wrong over the last few seasons, despite the gap in resources and squads between the leagues obvously has increased as well. But I think there has loomed a sense of inferiority over every single one of them that none of them have been able to shake. Everton has been the same for a couple of years now and it almost immidiately changed when Moyes came in. Villa were similiar for years until they finally got relegated. It is a pretty black & white view but the easiest explanation sometimes is just that a rot sets in and the right individual or result needs to come in to be the catalyst for the situation and mentality to change
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One or two players coming back into the side(Garner, who we should sign back) but sometimes stuff just goes for you as well in the short term.
They could and should have been 2 or 3 down against Palace.
Tarkowski coming up with that finish against Liverpool. How many times out of 10 does he do that?
Dyche tactics relied on getting the ball forward in one way only which was in the air and to the strikers head.
It also relied on a strict low block with set pieces and one moment in a game to nick a win.
Moyes has been much more variable in the way he plays. A mix of getting the ball forward in the air and on the ground. Allowing the players to be more selective in the way they play. Beto has come in and he's allowed us to play the ball on the ground and with through balls which basically never happened under Dyche. Also allowing the fullbacks to play with more attacking freedom. Moving the defensive line a tad more forward etc.
Yeah, we are a bit more exposed at the back than under Dyche but we are still fairly solid and we take the game to teams more than we did previously.
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boggles the mind!
The start and the end (hopefully) of the cycle.
The grim reaper signalled our demise.
Now he comes around just to beat a dead horse.
The grim reaper signalled our demise.
It would be quite fitting if that bloke is there again and we get a similar shot for Amorim, then we hammer them and its the new dawn we have all craved.
The grim reaper signalled our demise.
Behold a pale horse, and upon it rode Moyes.
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FfsWhen David Moyes was your manager.
I cannot overstate how awful Dyche was. There was always a feeling that the squad, as bad as it was, was better than what it was showing. Dyche had ONE plan to ‘attack’ and it was long balls at every occasion - often to a Calvert-Lewin who had no other Everton player close to him. When we did get the ball in the box, they looked completely devoid of a plan.
Moyes has had to bring in Beto due to injury, but has actually recognised that his strength was playing on the ground and in behind rather than aimless lofted balls up. Every Everton fan recognised this a long time ago. He’s 6’4 and his hold up play can be suspect, but get him running with the ball and he’s a nightmare, becoming a bit of a slotter too.
Moyes made the decision to bring on Jake O’Brien from the Dyche wilderness and he’s been excellent as a third centre back/full back. Actually excellent. 6’5 and deceptively quick. Got high hopes for the lad. Might not be overly popular on a United forum but Branthwaite has been COLOSSAL at the back too.
Finally, and probably the most important change has been the tactical decision to go to wing backs - we have no natural wingers, it makes sense to get the width from full backs and allow Ndiaye, Lindstrom to play further up the field and closer to goal. Ndiaye looks like Grealish at Villa at times. James Garner brought back in to play more positive passes from midfield have all contributed to a more forward thinking style whilst still keeping defence at the forefront. We still play direct football, but it’s will a lot more purpose and consideration.
I think teams with elite midfields will give us trouble still, but I’m enjoying this form whilst I can. United are a bogey team, I’m not getting too carried away with it.
A few players have changed like Garner, Beto, O'Brien.
Playing a higher line. Pressing more in a mid block.
More confidence to attack. Change in shape.
Moyes is an excellent manager at a certain level. Extremely experienced also.
He's been consistently brilliant for nearly 30 years with a few blips in between.
Playing a higher line. Pressing more in a mid block.
More confidence to attack. Change in shape.
Moyes is an excellent manager at a certain level. Extremely experienced also.
He's been consistently brilliant for nearly 30 years with a few blips in between.
Thanks for the replies. Good to hear that Garner's back in action and doing well.
Interesting that Beto and O'Brien have been fundamental as well. Just strange that Dyche hadn't worked out how to use them - I guess he was feeling as demoralised and stale as the team. Not that I'm pleased about the news. United have enough problems without meeting a team that's just added extra height to the starting lineup.
Interesting that Beto and O'Brien have been fundamental as well. Just strange that Dyche hadn't worked out how to use them - I guess he was feeling as demoralised and stale as the team. Not that I'm pleased about the news. United have enough problems without meeting a team that's just added extra height to the starting lineup.
Interestingly, this part is much more true than you may realise. Reputable sources within the club confirm that the new owners had no intention of sacking Dyche this season at all and were content to ‘survive’ the season and appoint a ‘progressive’ manager in the summer after Dyche’s contract expired. However, in January (after a terrible run of results - points wise, a lot of draws and defeats) Dyche told the board he couldn’t take the team any further and essentially had given up. He all but forced the owners to make a decision, the only reason he didn’t walk away himself was the compensation package. Shocking really.
Lots of Everton fans are understandably confident going into the weekend, but I have United-related trauma from growing up in the 2000s and take absolutely nothing for granted.
Best one liner I`ve read for a long time.
Good stuff