David Luiz set to become world's most expensive defender

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A lot of people say Luiz is an excellent footballer - can somebody please tell me which area he excels in? Shocking defender, sub-par midfielder ... God help us if he's ever played up front.

He's a very, very average footballer who plays with more gusto than talent, and more heart than brain.
 
TooBias said:
A lot of people say Luiz is an excellent footballer - can somebody please tell me which area he excels in? Shocking defender, sub-par midfielder ... God help us if he's ever played up front.

He's a very, very average footballer who plays with more gusto than talent, and more heart than brain.
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He's a very good man marker, and this helps him be a good ball winner, too. He's also very good in the air and has a good bit of pace for a central defender. His big weaknesses, however, is that he loses concentration easily, doesn't read the game at all, which contributes to his poor positioning and awareness, and is frequently rash during the moments he shouldn't be.

Those weaknesses make him unable to play central defence well enough, particularly against teams with good attacking setups.

For his defensive weaknesses, he has nothing going against him when his team have possession. He's very comfortable on the ball and demonstrates good technique for a central defender. He's also a decent passer of the ball when higher up the pitch.

To me, he's good but not great (and nowhere near excellent). His ability on the ball, whilst being great, doesn't count much to me in terms of the central defence role. He's so rash and bad at reading the game that he often needs others covering for him. When he doesn't have people covering for him, he can often be exposed against teams with decent attacking setups or make silly mistakes.
 
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TooBias said:
A lot of people say Luiz is an excellent footballer - can somebody please tell me which area he excels in? Shocking defender, sub-par midfielder ... God help us if he's ever played up front.

He's a very, very average footballer who plays with more gusto than talent, and more heart than brain.
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He plays a good pass to set players free and he has a good shot
 
Ekeke said:
He plays a good pass to set players free and he has a good shot
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He also plays numerous horrid passes, particularly when going long, and dallies on the ball at the risk of losing it repeatedly.

His positional sense isn't poor - it's non existing for a supposed top defender.

He's rash and goes into tackles he shouldn't go into thinking he'll win it. Also, he's a dirty cnut who will get sent off 3 or 4 times a year if the ref does his work.

So to summarize: He's useless as a CB for a top side, which his time at Chelsea have repeatedly revealed. Case in point: Him costing them the game virtually every time he's lined up against us.
 
marjen said:
He also plays numerous horrid passes, particularly when going long, and dallies on the ball at the risk of losing it repeatedly.

His positional sense isn't poor - it's non existing for a supposed top defender.

He's rash and goes into tackles he shouldn't go into thinking he'll win it. Also, he's a dirty cnut who will get sent off 3 or 4 times a year if the ref does his work.

So to summarize: He's useless as a CB for a top side, which his time at Chelsea have repeatedly revealed. Case in point: Him costing them the game virtually every time he's lined up against us.
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never had a red card at Chelsea
Us?...which games did he cost them ?
 
marjen said:
He also plays numerous horrid passes, particularly when going long, and dallies on the ball at the risk of losing it repeatedly.

His positional sense isn't poor - it's non existing for a supposed top defender.

He's rash and goes into tackles he shouldn't go into thinking he'll win it. Also, he's a dirty cnut who will get sent off 3 or 4 times a year if the ref does his work.

So to summarize: He's useless as a CB for a top side, which his time at Chelsea have repeatedly revealed. Case in point: Him costing them the game virtually every time he's lined up against us.
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Are you United? Only I can remember at least twice he actually helped us win the game against you guys.
 
TheMuffer said:
did he get red carded ???
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No but marjen clearly said that he should have been red carded on numerous occasions if the ref does his work. He's been lucky to not have been sent off and is clearly a loose cannon.
 
Joemo said:
No but marjen clearly said that he should have been red carded on numerous occasions if the ref does his work. He's been lucky to not have been sent off and is clearly a loose cannon.
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no he didnt...read his post again....he said WILL
and I clearly said that he had never had a red card at Chelsea....I could bring up loads of gifs of players from every team in the country where there should have been sendings off or stricter punishment in OUR eyes...but the fact still remains....he has not received a red.
margen also said that he cost games against US...if US is Utd then he had better get his facts right
 
TooBias said:
A lot of people say Luiz is an excellent footballer - can somebody please tell me which area he excels in? Shocking defender, sub-par midfielder ... God help us if he's ever played up front.

He's a very, very average footballer who plays with more gusto than talent, and more heart than brain.
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he is a great left back ;)
 
First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'

Hes a very direct player which helps when playing attacking minded teams. Against City at the Etihad he bossed them in midfield and was one of the main reasons we won that game along with Hazard and Ivanovic.

Against Liverpool and Arsenal at SB it was the same, but his work went largely unnoticed because people still believe he is a plain defender. His weakness comes from a positional sense, he is prone to mistakes with this that will ultimately cost goals and that comes from the player and the system.

He is also a leader on the pitch and a dedicated player, which makes him a fan favourite, however I would rather have a world class player thats a starter every game than one than him.

I dont really need to defend him really considering it should be obvious to anyone who watches him game in game out where his qualities and problems lie, and they certainly dont lie in distribution and passing of which he is generally excellent. Dont some of you feel a bit foolish claiming a player to be average when hes a starter for Brazil, Barca have been chasing him( and not as some back up player), a starter for us in two seasons in which he won the Champions league FA cup and EL, and now PSG want him for around 40-50 million?

I agree hes not world class, but I dont see Barca, PSG or anyone else coming in for large bids for truly average players like Nani, Joe Allen, Young, Mikel, Walcott etc. You can bang this drum over and over but it doesnt change the fact that he is a top player, getting a oddly high transfer fee.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'

Hes a very direct player which helps when playing attacking minded teams. Against City at the Etihad he bossed them in midfield and was one of the main reasons we won that game along with Hazard and Ivanovic.

Against Liverpool and Arsenal at SB it was the same, but his work went largely unnoticed because people still believe he is a plain defender. His weakness comes from a positional sense, he is prone to mistakes with this that will ultimately cost goals and that comes from the player and the system.

He is also a leader on the pitch and a dedicated player, which makes him a fan favourite, however I would rather have a world class player thats a starter every game than one than him.

I dont really need to defend him really considering it should be obvious to anyone who watches him game in game out where his qualities and problems lie, and they certainly dont lie in distribution and passing of which he is generally excellent. Dont some of you feel a bit foolish claiming a player to be average when hes a starter for Brazil, Barca have been chasing him( and not as some back up player), a starter for us in two seasons in which he won the Champions league FA cup and EL, and now PSG want him for around 40-50 million?

I agree hes not world class, but I dont see Barca, PSG or anyone else coming in for large bids for truly average players like Nani, Joe Allen, Young, Mikel, Walcott etc. You can bang this drum over and over but it doesnt change the fact that he is a top player, getting a oddly high transfer fee.
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good points...but not exactly the fans favourite....even Chelsea support are split on him
 
ItsEssexRob said:
First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'

Hes a very direct player which helps when playing attacking minded teams. Against City at the Etihad he bossed them in midfield and was one of the main reasons we won that game along with Hazard and Ivanovic.

Against Liverpool and Arsenal at SB it was the same, but his work went largely unnoticed because people still believe he is a plain defender. His weakness comes from a positional sense, he is prone to mistakes with this that will ultimately cost goals and that comes from the player and the system.

He is also a leader on the pitch and a dedicated player, which makes him a fan favourite, however I would rather have a world class player thats a starter every game than one than him.

I dont really need to defend him really considering it should be obvious to anyone who watches him game in game out where his qualities and problems lie, and they certainly dont lie in distribution and passing of which he is generally excellent. Dont some of you feel a bit foolish claiming a player to be average when hes a starter for Brazil, Barca have been chasing him( and not as some back up player), a starter for us in two seasons in which he won the Champions league FA cup and EL, and now PSG want him for around 40-50 million?

I agree hes not world class, but I dont see Barca, PSG or anyone else coming in for large bids for truly average players like Nani, Joe Allen, Young, Mikel, Walcott etc. You can bang this drum over and over but it doesnt change the fact that he is a top player, getting a oddly high transfer fee.
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This bit did make me giggle. You remember that Demichelles played in central midfield that game, right?
 
rpitroda said:
This bit did make me giggle. You remember that Demichelles played in central midfield that game, right?
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He didnt play in the other games though! Yaya Toure, the apparent best midfielder in the league was bossed by him and Matic all game.
 
TheMuffer said:
good points...but not exactly the fans favourite....even Chelsea support are split on him
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He along with Mata have been the two biggest fan favourites of the new generation, he has passion, personality and his hair to make Fraiser Crane jealous. Obviously like with you guys and Hernandez( who I believe is one of your fan favourites?), if the right offer comes along you would sell since neither are irreplaceable.

Luiz will divide though, rival fans will despise him because of his charades, but his own club will love him.
 
TheMuffer said:
did he get red carded ???
picks out 3 incidents in 140 odd games....and it didnt even answer the fact he had never recieved a red card whilst playing for Chelsea
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I'm stunned he has never received a red card. He is one of the worst offenders for off the ball incidents. Elbows and serious blocks. Usually happens when his team mate is in possession and the opposing player is running toward the ball with his eyes on the player/ball. He's a bit like Suarez with a childish streak IMHO.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'

Hes a very direct player which helps when playing attacking minded teams. Against City at the Etihad he bossed them in midfield and was one of the main reasons we won that game along with Hazard and Ivanovic.

Against Liverpool and Arsenal at SB it was the same, but his work went largely unnoticed because people still believe he is a plain defender. His weakness comes from a positional sense, he is prone to mistakes with this that will ultimately cost goals and that comes from the player and the system.

He is also a leader on the pitch and a dedicated player, which makes him a fan favourite, however I would rather have a world class player thats a starter every game than one than him.

I dont really need to defend him really considering it should be obvious to anyone who watches him game in game out where his qualities and problems lie, and they certainly dont lie in distribution and passing of which he is generally excellent. Dont some of you feel a bit foolish claiming a player to be average when hes a starter for Brazil, Barca have been chasing him( and not as some back up player), a starter for us in two seasons in which he won the Champions league FA cup and EL, and now PSG want him for around 40-50 million?

I agree hes not world class, but I dont see Barca, PSG or anyone else coming in for large bids for truly average players like Nani, Joe Allen, Young, Mikel, Walcott etc. You can bang this drum over and over but it doesnt change the fact that he is a top player, getting a oddly high transfer fee.
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The same City that had Martin Demichelis in midfield? Great achievement.

He's a fan favourite 'cause he runs around a lot, puts in heavy challenges and is a loveable goof, not because of any real talent. I've watched him a lot and he is just average. He doesn't have the intelligence or awareness to play in defence or midfield. He's basically a nomad, destined to wander between the lines elbowing and barging his way through, and smashing it out of the ground from 40 yards. God knows what PSG are thinking.
 
TooBias said:
The same City that had Martin Demichelis in midfield? Great achievement.

He's a fan favourite 'cause he runs around a lot, puts in heavy challenges and is a loveable goof, not because of any real talent. I've watched him a lot and he is just average. He doesn't have the intelligence or awareness to play in defence or midfield. He's basically a nomad, destined to wander between the lines elbowing and barging his way through, and smashing it out of the ground from 40 yards. God knows what PSG are thinking.
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You must be a bit thick because you think a centre back who can't defend is average.
 
TooBias said:
The same City that had Martin Demichelis in midfield? Great achievement.
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rpitroda said:
This bit did make me giggle. You remember that Demichelles played in central midfield that game, right?
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So because Demichelis played in midfield in that match, that somehow devalues Chelsea win and Luiz's contribution? Luiz is a CB, who played as a midfielder in that match, and so did Demichelis.

I bet that, with or without Demichelis in midfield, you'd still have lost to City home and away.
 
antihenry said:
So because Demichelis played in midfield in that match, that somehow devalues Chelsea win and Luiz's contribution? Luiz is a CB, who played as a midfielder in that match, and so did Demichelis.

I bet that, with or without Demichelis in midfield, you'd still have lost to City home and away.
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Using United's midfield as some sort of basis to prove Luiz's midfield is kind of pointless, isn't it?
 
Essex Rob being a arrogant twat said this - "First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'"
 
BigDunc9 said:
Essex Rob being a arrogant twat said this - "First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'"
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Oh right - he's just trying to defend the indefensible really. Bless him.
 
antihenry said:
So because Demichelis played in midfield in that match, that somehow devalues Chelsea win and Luiz's contribution? Luiz is a CB, who played as a midfielder in that match, and so did Demichelis.

I bet that, with or without Demichelis in midfield, you'd still have lost to City home and away.
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I don't understand your City comment. And I also don't see where United falls into this? What's us winning or losing got to do with Luiz? Also where did I say I don't value their win or Luiz's contribution? Just because I don't use it as a marker to judge Luiz to be a great player doesn't mean that. And you say Luiz is a CB, but most people will argue he is actually a better DM and that goes for Chelsea's fans too. Anyway you're talking nonsense so whatever.
 
rpitroda said:
I don't understand your City comment. And I also don't see where United falls into this? What's us winning or losing got to do with Luiz? Also where did I say I don't value their win or Luiz's contribution? Just because I don't use it as a marker to judge Luiz to be a great player doesn't mean that. And you say Luiz is a CB, but most people will argue he is actually a better DM and that goes for Chelsea's fans too. Anyway you're talking nonsense so whatever.
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My point was, we played the best team in the country on their pitch, where they were unbeaten prior to that, and won the game, with Luiz being one of the best performers. Had City won the match, which many expected them to do, no one would even bother remembering about Demichelis playing in midfield.
 
Bit of a random thought but Jonathan Wilson was talking about centre backs last night and made an interesting point that amongst the very best teams, an inability to defend well is not actually a deal-breaker. He was using Ramos as the example and pointing out that in 8 or 9 out of every 10 matches he plays he sees more of the ball in and around the half way line than he will in his own box. So long as you pair someone like that with a really top defender his ability on the ball can add so much to the team that it's probably worth the occasional defensive brainfart.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
He along with Mata have been the two biggest fan favourites of the new generation, he has passion, personality and his hair to make Fraiser Crane jealous. Obviously like with you guys and Hernandez( who I believe is one of your fan favourites?), if the right offer comes along you would sell since neither are irreplaceable.

Luiz will divide though, rival fans will despise him because of his charades, but his own club will love him.
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totally disagree
Chelsea forums , pre and after match in the pubs around Stamford Bridge and during the game itself home and away support are completely divided with opinions, but he was/is not a favourite with the majority. Obviously a few think he is great, but a few think he is awful...most think he is an ok player who occasionaly has a worldy performance.
He is/was no where near the same level as some other players in popularity stakes.
'Love him'...the majoity were happy to get rid at that price.
Nice bloke he is and sometimes had great games and to be fair over last season was more consistant in the end...but most Chelsea support will agree although exciting to have on the team,,,was also very nerving as well
 
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TooBias said:
Oh right - he's just trying to defend the indefensible really. Bless him.
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yet you still cant answer why Barca want him, why PSG are willing to pay 40 odd million for him and why hes a starter for Brazil if hes sub par.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Essex Rob being a arrogant twat said this - "First off, I dont think hes worth 48 or 50 million, but a few of you are a bit thick if you think hes 'sub par' or 'average.'"
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Well its true, If you think hes sub par or average you arent very bright, since its obvious hes not average. I dont mind people saying its overpriced, or that hes not brilliant, but saying hes sub par is talking bollocks, otherwise you are going down to RAWK levels of delusion in explaining why he is worth so much and wanted by top clubs. That and you could actually watch his performances!
 
TheMuffer said:
totally disagree
Chelsea forums , pre and after match in the pubs around Stamford Bridge and during the game itself home and away support are completely divided with opinions, but he was/is not a favourite with the majority. Obviously a few think he is great, but a few think he is awful...most think he is an ok player who occasionaly has a worldy performance.
He is/was no where near the same level as some other players in popularity stakes.
'Love him'...the majoity were happy to get rid at that price.
Nice bloke he is and sometimes had great games and to be fair over last season was more consistant in the end...but most Chelsea support will agree although exciting to have on the team,,,was also very nerving as well
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I agree Im glad we are getting this price for him, but I think a lot will be sad to see him go, but not primarily for footballing reasons, we could get in a similarly excellent player that is better defensively, and probably have money spare.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
It is not like Barca has had the best judgement when it comes to CBs.
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Not everyone always has the best judgement all the time, but they are unlikely to be willing to pay large amounts for average or sub par players, and before anyone mentions Song, he was bought for around 15 million and is still with them!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bit of a random thought but Jonathan Wilson was talking about centre backs last night and made an interesting point that amongst the very best teams, an inability to defend well is not actually a deal-breaker. He was using Ramos as the example and pointing out that in 8 or 9 out of every 10 matches he plays he sees more of the ball in and around the half way line than he will in his own box. So long as you pair someone like that with a really top defender his ability on the ball can add so much to the team that it's probably worth the occasional defensive brainfart.
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Yeah, Neville made a similar point some time earlier about English being too insulated in their thinking about what good defending entails. Still I think Luiz's defensive buffoonery is too costly for his ball playing and forward driving skills to afford. Someone like Pique at his best provided as much impetus in forward play without so many blunders.
 
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