David Luiz set to become world's most expensive defender

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TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
If you want these tactics to work properly you need defensive players who are good in 1v1 situations and who can intercept key passes and close down opponents. David Luiz ticks all these boxes. Add in the mix the fact that he is going to be a starter for Brazil in a WC year and that he leaves the best League in the world to play in Ligue 1 and you'll understand why PSG had to break the bank for him.
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Yes, he's a great man-marker and great at closing down the opposition, but he's not one who I can say intercepts key passes. His positioning and reading of the game isn't that good that he intercepts key passes. He's at his best when he has a solid defensive midfielder in front of him that reads the game well and fills in for him so that he can push up and win the ball. Plus, he's so good on the ball that he often starts off attacks and even acts as a pseudo-playmaker in the side. That's why I think he can be an excellent midfielder: he's great at winning the ball and in 1-on-1 situations. Plus, his technique is excellent, and his passing's great.

This is one of the reasons he does so well with Thiago Silva. Thiago Silva's a complete defender who reads the game excellently and is very aggressive in his defending. Plus, he has Gustavo and Paulinho to cover for him, both who read the game well and fill in for Luiz whenever he gets involved, defensively. In PSG, he has Matuidi, Motta, and Verratti who can read the game and cover him and the best defender in the world in Thiago Silva next to him.

I don't know why PSG are paying so much for him, still. 35 million pounds is the most I would pay for Luiz, IMO. 48-50 million is insane.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a person more capable of constantly looking like a spaz. It's not even just the hair. It's all of him, all the time.
 
You think Laurent Blanc was suddenly struck with Moyes-itis and got a fetish with defensive players? As mahzar13 wrote, PSG already have a good number of quality defenders, so it makes so little sense for them to sign Luiz and even less sense to pay that much for him.
 
Kakeru said:
As mahzar13 wrote, PSG already have a good number of quality defenders, so it makes so little sense for them to sign Luiz and even less sense to pay that much for him.
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Did I mention that? All I remember saying is that they have Matuidi, Verratti, and Motta for the defensive midfield options. I did forget about Cabaye and Rabiot, though, so Blanc's not getting him to play in midfield.

In terms of their good quality defenders, they only have 3 of those (Camara is like Wright in Man. City). Most teams only have 3 good defenders in their team, and many find that acceptable. I, however, feel like 4 is a good number, so I think the reason Blanc's going for Luiz is to have an extra option for injuries, to add depth to the team (Blanc seems to not trust Marquinhos for the important matches), and to deal with the multiple competitions. Plus, Luiz and Thiago Silva form an excellent partnership for Brazil.

I think it makes sense for Luiz to go there, but the price just doesn't make any sense at all.
 
The craziest thing about this signing is this is the type of signing you make when you are desperate. When we broke the bank for Rio our defense was in horrible shape. When PSG brought in Thiago Silva they were trying to make signings that would make them relevant. Where is the desperation in this situation? They already have one of the best CB partnerships in THiago Silva/Alex and an outstanding young defender in Marquinhos. Why the desperate need for someone like David Luiz?
 
Rybolovlev helping Abramovich to avoid any possible sanctions because of FFP it seems. Roman will pay half of that money back from one of his non-football business enterprises.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned before.. but it's not like Chelsea have made a profit on Luiz.

£1.5m for Matic
£26m and Matic for Luiz
£23m for Matic
Sold Luiz for £40m.

They're £9m out of pocket. :lol:
 
Water Melon said:
Rybolovlev helping Abramovich to avoid any possible sanctions because of FFP it seems. Roman will pay half of that money back from one of his non-football business enterprises.
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How exactly is Rybolovlev involved in this?
 
hobbers said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned before.. but it's not like Chelsea have made a profit on Luiz.

£1.5m for Matic
£26m and Matic for Luiz
£23m for Matic
Sold Luiz for £40m.

They're £9m out of pocket. :lol:
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load of tosh...get yer facts right.
Matic has nothing to do with this and is a separate deal all together sold for 5m bought for 21m (basically had 3 years of top football education for 16m and off the wage bill)
Luiz was bought for 21m..sold for 40m plus 10m add ons....
But if you insist on saying Matic is part of it then his fee was covered by the Mata sale
 
Water Melon said:
Rybolovlev helping Abramovich to avoid any possible sanctions because of FFP it seems. Roman will pay half of that money back from one of his non-football business enterprises.
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Rybolovlev owns Monaco. Qataris own PSG, the club Luiz signed for.

In any case, Russian oligarchs aren't known to be friendly to each other at all.
 
Water Melon said:
Rybolovlev helping Abramovich to avoid any possible sanctions because of FFP it seems. Roman will pay half of that money back from one of his non-football business enterprises.
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If Rybolovlev owned PSG your point would be silly, tin foil hat nonsense. As he actually owns Monaco its probably best deleted.
 
hobbers said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned before.. but it's not like Chelsea have made a profit on Luiz.

£1.5m for Matic
£26m and Matic for Luiz
£23m for Matic
Sold Luiz for £40m.

They're £9m out of pocket. :lol:
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I always enjoy the way people use the highest reported fees for the purchases and the lowest for the sales when making these sort of points.
 
duffer said:
If Rybolovlev owned PSG your point would be silly, tin foil hat nonsense. As he actually owns Monaco its probably best deleted.
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You know, details and all that stuff. It's a conspiracy, I am telling you.
 
Some ridiculous underrating of him in here, if you cant see he is a great footballer you have no idea about football! 10-15 million, yeah ok, try 25-30 at least. I would say the early 30's is a good price for him, but I would concur 48-50 million is excessive, not that im complaining of course.
 
I have no idea about football.
 
Mourinho is obviously a bit of an idiot too seeing as he for some inexplicable reason decided he wasn't good enough to be a regular. 15 starts in the PL last season.
 
Brwned said:
Mourinho is obviously a bit of an idiot too seeing as he for some inexplicable reason decided he wasn't good enough to be a regular.
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He also thought the same of Mata, would you deny Mata is a class player?
 
ItsEssexRob said:
He also thought the same of Mata, would you deny Mata is a class player?
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Mata's obviously pretty good. So we're all agreed that Mourinho definitely doesn't have a clue about football in that case? Excellent.
 
No matter (ho ho) how mad it sounds, I believe that José wanted Mata gone because he was & is a Benitez loyalist.
 
Brwned said:
Mata's obviously pretty good. So we're all agreed that Mourinho definitely doesn't have a clue about football in that case? Excellent.
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Luiz is an excellent player as is Mata, doesnt mean that hes going to fit every system, and Jose did play Luiz in a lot of the big games this season. To suggest Luiz isnt good or that hes a 10-15 million player is insanity given the interest in him and performances he can give.
 
I personally think it was pretty obvious that Mourinho thought Luiz was a bit of an error-prone idiot who he couldn't rely on rather than him not suiting the system. He hinted at that a couple of times after he made a big mistake and was subsequently benched. Something about not players performing their role properly and doing the simple things correctly. I don't know how many big games he started but just 15 league games is a very small amount let's face it. And it's not like Luiz's competition is top class (in comparison to Mata's).
 
Brwned said:
I personally think it was pretty obvious that Mourinho thought Luiz was a bit of an error-prone idiot who he couldn't rely on rather than him not suiting the system. He hinted at that a couple of times after he made a big mistake and was subsequently benched. Something about not players performing their role properly and doing the simple things correctly. I don't know how many big games he started but just 15 league games is a very small amount let's face it. And it's not like Luiz's competition is top class (in comparison to Mata's).
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Why did he trust him away to City then? That was one of his masterclasses.(Luiz)
 
SteveJ said:
No matter (ho ho) how mad it sounds, I believe that José wanted Mata gone because he was & is a Benitez loyalist.
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I think there was something wrong between two of them since the day one, or even before Mou Mou(as Pete calls him) actually signed for Chelsea. I don't think he even gave Mata proper chance to shine, he just "decided" he isn't good enough even before he saw him in training, let alone games.
 
TheMuffer said:
Ok...so any players that are to be signed from porto, sporting or benfica are never proven....even if they are a full Brazilian international
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Mertesacker has been a full german international for a decade now, . Wouldn't pay 21mil for him... (and never would have)
Being an international player often comes down to comparatively weak competition.

Anyway, 21 may not haven been bat shit insane back then, but this transfer is beyond ridiculous.
 
Piratesoup said:
Mertesacker has been a full german international for a decade now, . Wouldn't pay 21mil for him... (and never would have)
Being an international player often comes down to comparatively weak competition.

Anyway, 21 may not haven been bat shit insane back then, but this transfer is beyond ridiculous.
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coz he is too old?
Luiz was only 23/24? at the time

But since have you become an authority on transfer fees ?
What I do get is that 3 massive clubs were in for him from £30m upwards.....the winner paid what they think its worth to them
 
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TheMuffer said:
coz he is too old?
Luiz was only 23/24? at the time

But since have you become an authority on transfer fees ?
What I do get is that 3 massive clubs were in for him from £30m upwards.....the winner paid what they think its worth to them
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1. I mentioned his age ("and never would have")
2. Being an international doesn't in itself mean that you're a player worthy of such a high fee
3. Chill out and read the whole post before going all aggro. Might as well ask about your CV and transfer fee credentials.
 
Pure madness. Chelsea can basically get that top striker from the Luiz money and have some to spare.
 
Piratesoup said:
1. I mentioned his age ("and never would have")
2. Being an international doesn't in itself mean that you're a player worthy of such a high fee
3. Chill out and read the whole post before going all aggro. Might as well ask about your CV and transfer fee credentials.
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I did read your whole post...cut out the patronising.
try reading mine when I suggested that 3 massive clubs know far more than the likes of you and me about transfer fees
 
Can't help but wonder if PSG have Peter Ridsdale in charge of their transfer bids. I can imagine it being just like those famous Seth Johnson wage negotiations when PSG put the bid in :lol:
 
When people say he's a fantastic footballer but not a great centre back it makes no sense at all. That is his position and he is near enough a liability when played there, he is also nowhere near as good on the ball as people make out because he makes countless dangerous passes that put his team at risk. He's just a half decent physical centre back who can play a bit and hit the ball hard of free kicks. I wouldn't swap him for Distan and he's about 45.
 
This fee is crazy, there has to be something going on behind the scenes. It wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea are paying Luiz his joining fee & agent fees, and PSG have included that into the transfer price (so Luiz and his agent aren't getting taxed 75% in France, but instead 45% in the UK). Basically a transfer of £35m, with the additional £10m going to Luiz and his agent via Chelsea instead of directly from PSG.
 
The problem with this Luiz deal, is that there is something clearly wrong with it somewhere.
Everybody and their Dog knows he's not worth that much.
He's a decent defender at most, and probably a better defensive midfielder if anything, but he doesn't really excel in each position.

I also don't buy into the rubbish that because Barca want him also, that PSG just blow them out of the water with a huge bid.
If Luiz wanted to go to Barca, but they are only willing to pay 30m for example, he'd end up their, for that fee.
 
City have a £49m net cap on transfers due to FFP... doesn't PSG have the same cap? and so, what, have they blown it all on this moron?
 
Never thought he was good. He was embarassed by Chicharito several times.
I thought he would be good for a team like Barcelona. Would be fun to see him, Pique and Alves leaving position together.
 
P$G paying probably more than double what the guy is worth, he is good going forward but is a complete liability in defence. He looks good with Brazil because he plays with the worlds best CB in Thiago Silva who covers his ass for him all the time. Benitez had him playing well in midfield if u ask me, that looked like his best position when he had less defensive responsibility.
 
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