David Gill Transfer warchest v2012

Wibble said:
Surely what we should be doing when we can is keeping the players we have when we need them for whatever reason even if we know that we may not need them next season. In is case why wouldn't we also use the contract extension to try to maximize resale value when we sell at a time of our choosing?
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Yes it's a fair point as i said to Varun. But my beef is that it was a costly and somewhat pointless venture in the end. We kept a player we didn't use, on huge wages, and didn't strengthen a far weaker midfield area with obvious and predictable concerns, Wibble.

I cannot get my head around that, and for me having to play Carrick and Scholes for almost the whole second half of the season, cost us the title in the last few games.

SAF completely cut Berba out from the CL squad at the end of last season, so he must have known then he didn't fit into his plans moving forward imo. So if that was the case, which i believe it was, then we should have gotten rid of him while his stock was at it's highest since we first bought him, and strengthened the midfield.
 
RyanGoggs said:
And if Rooney or Welbeck were injured last season everyone would be lamenting the choice to sell Berba. We needed to keep him and he was probably more in Fergies plans at the start of the season than he was at the end due to the form of Welbeck. It's very easy to be critical in hindsight but in reality we needed to keep hold of him for one more year.
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Any more than we lamented not buying a midfielder? WE did not need to keep him, we had Hernandez, Welbeck and Rooney, with Macheda in the wings. Why was there any more need to keep Berba, than there was to sign a midfielder, for a midfield that had already lost Scholes and Hargo, with Fletcher always unlikely to be fit, and Anderson is out fairly regularly every season. That left only Carrick, Giggs and Cleverley.

Why again did we need to keep a player who SAF felt was that integral to opur plans, that he left him completely out of the squad for the CL final?
 
ghaliboy said:
Sell Berba after top scoring year, fans "WHY THE feck ARE YOU DOING THAT!?"
Sell Berba a year after keeping him as 4th choice and backup, fans "YOU WAITED TOO feckING LONG.. THE CLUB IS LOSING MONEY"

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't imo.
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Leave Berba after top scoring year, out of CL final squad in favour of Micheal Owen! Every fan: Why are you doing that?

Sell £100k a week Berba and buy the midfielder we have needed for years, especially after losing Scholes in the summer! No fecking brainer!

Keep 100k a week Berba warming the bench all season, while we have to bring Scholes out of retirement, and then play both he and Carrick in 90% of the games after New Year, without being able to rest them, and go on to lose the title because we haven't enough midfielders to play any effective system other than 4-4-2!

I think we were damned cos he didn't, rather than damned either way!
 
Amir said:
I have lambasted Fergie here for not taking care of the midfield, and I still worry he'll continue to do his 'Wenger' and assume what he's got will come good and take care of that.

I'm not blind to Fergie's mistakes. The Berbatov one was a tough call to make.
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Tougher than leaving him out of the CL final squad after finishing the season top scorer? Come on Amir, if that decision didn't tell you where he stood in SAF's plans, then nothing will.

If you don't think your top scorer can contribute anything significant enough to even make the squad, ahead of fecking Owen who has donefeck all for 2 years, why would anyone then be that surprised had he been sold?

Not that tough a call, and nowhere near as tough a call as ignoring the midfield, especially after losing Scholes.
 
Well, David, Alba's gone, Modric's seriously looking like he's going to Real who are being more pro-active in signing him, and the Euros are all but over for most teams.

Any ideas about where the warchest might be hiding?
 
apotheosis said:
He didn't have to cement a starting role though, that's the point, he was still there as cover, which was more than we had the year before, considering Rooney's problems at that time.
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We play 2 strikers. If you're accepting that everybody was looking at welbeck as a squad player who'd use this year to try and blend into the squad, how can you still suggest we should have sold berba then? And leave us with just rooney and hernandez?



The Owen point is a fair one, but as i say it was no different to the year before. you keep on mentioning gambles, with no mention of the huge gamble taken on midfield. this is what i am struggling with. We lose 3 midfield options in the summer and have serious doubts over Fletcher. That leaves Giggs, Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley, who by the way was no more a certainty than Welbeck.

So you are talking of risk in the striker department, despite very few injury concerns. Yet not keeping Berbatov is deemed more risky than allowing 3 players to leave, whilst also having serious injury concerns over Fletcher, plus Anderson is hardly Mr Fitness! Who does that leave Varun? A 38 yr old, Carrick and Cleverley!

How by any possible logic is that less risky than letting Berba go?

I'm not really agitated, more bemused. It makes no sense to me, keeping Berba to cover an already strengthened pool of strikers (with Welbeck returning), while the midfield is already weakened by the loss of 2 places, plus Fletcher's issues, and Anderson's persistent injury record.

I just cannot fathom why an area not noticeably weak is a risk worth paying £100k a week to cover, whilest an area severely weakened by players leaving, injury doubts over others and another being 38 is not risky enough to be covered similarly. For me keeping Berba on those wages, and then not using him, while ignoring midfield is my problem. It cost us very dearly having to play Carrick and Scholes in almost every game in the latter half of the season. That for me cost us the title, as despite injuries we still managed an 8 point lead. But being unable to rest either of those 2 players on any occasion in the run in was the reason we lost the title.
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You keep going back to the midfield and use it as a standard here when everyone agrees that not addressing the midfield has been a mistake. As i asked you earlier, making 1 mistake surely doesnt mean he should have made another 1 right?

I don't buy there was no place for Berba. A player with his talent, who had performed the way he had the season before, could easily have contributed something. For me there was something more, and whatever it was seemed to happen when Berba was left out of the CL final squad in favour of Owen!:eek:

If that's not a deliberate kick in the balls by Fergie, i don't know what is. You see Fergie all the time giving both young and squad players games so they can pick up medals, or share in the success of the club. Which other player ever has had a season like Berba did, who then doesn't even make the squad for a huge Cup final game at the end of the season?
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Sir Alex said Owen would be a better option off the bench if we needed to score a goal. I totally agreed with him back then and still think that the correct call was made. Instead of taking the easier option, SAF did what was better for the team.

If we needed a late goal in the CL, i'd much rather have had owen coming on rather than berba. very good player as he is, he isnt someone who makes a vibrant impact coming off the bench, certainly not in terms of scoring goals.
 
I wish our squad wasn't so shit and mid-table.

I wish we hadn't just added another young English player in Powell to add to the averageness of Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and Welbeck.

I wish Rafael could defend.

I wish we hadn't signed some Japanese player from the Bundesliga, it's a third rate league.

I wish we didn't have just 3 top wingers.

I wish Rooney was more consistent, an average of 22.75 goals per season for the last 8 years isn't good enough.

Yada yada yada.

We have a great squad, we don't need a fecking war chest. We've got great young players and we've added to a squad that came level on points with a squad that cost £500m+ to put together. We will only get better, forget big signings.
 
Pexbo said:
I wish our squad wasn't so shit and mid-table.

I wish we hadn't just added another young English player in Powell to add to the averageness of Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and Welbeck.

I wish Rafael could defend.

I wish we hadn't signed some Japanese player from the Bundesliga, it's a third rate league.

I wish we didn't have just 3 top wingers.

I wish Rooney was more consistent, an average of 22.75 goals per season for the last 8 years isn't good enough.

Yada yada yada.

We have a great squad, we don't need a fecking war chest. We've got great young players and we've added to a squad that came level on points with a squad that cost £500m+ to put together. We will only get better, forget big signings.
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Wow
 
Pexbo said:
I wish our squad wasn't so shit and mid-table.

I wish we hadn't just added another young English player in Powell to add to the averageness of Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and Welbeck.

I wish Rafael could defend.

I wish we hadn't signed some Japanese player from the Bundesliga, it's a third rate league.

I wish we didn't have just 3 top wingers.

I wish Rooney was more consistent, an average of 22.75 goals per season for the last 8 years isn't good enough.

Yada yada yada.

We have a great squad, we don't need a fecking war chest. We've got great young players and we've added to a squad that came level on points with a squad that cost £500m+ to put together. We will only get better, forget big signings.
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I know, how dare we want to improve our team further so that we can go win the PL again and not fail miserably in Europe. Let's just leave everything as it currently in and hope for the best!
 
Pexbo said:
I wish our squad wasn't so shit and mid-table.

I wish we hadn't just added another young English player in Powell to add to the averageness of Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and Welbeck.

I wish Rafael could defend.

I wish we hadn't signed some Japanese player from the Bundesliga, it's a third rate league.

I wish we didn't have just 3 top wingers.

I wish Rooney was more consistent, an average of 22.75 goals per season for the last 8 years isn't good enough.

Yada yada yada.

We have a great squad, we don't need a fecking war chest. We've got great young players and we've added to a squad that came level on points with a squad that cost £500m+ to put together. We will only get better, forget big signings.
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Yet you mention no central midfielders...interesting.

Could that be because...and here we go...wait for it.

WE NEED TO feckING STRENGTHEN THERE.
 
I hear on the grapevine that Gill has been spotted with a certain central midfielder from the blue half of Glasgow. Lets just say that he's ginger, United have looked at him when he was younger, he has captained his club and country and is a free pickup
 
golden_blunder said:
I hear on the grapevine that Gill has been spotted with a certain central midfielder from the blue half of Glasgow. Lets just say that he's ginger, United have looked at him when he was younger, he has captained his club and country and is a free pickup
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Gordon Strachan?!?
 
Cina said:
I know, how dare we want to improve our team further so that we can go win the PL again and not fail miserably in Europe. Let's just leave everything as it currently in and hope for the best!
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Improve our squad? We're not Man City, we don't need £100m on transfers, to improve our squad we just need to let the young players we have develop organically and pick a couple of shrewd investments here and there like Kagawa, Valencia and Hernandez.

Without spending a penny our squad would have been better than last year because we have:

Welbeck, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez, Anderson, De Gea and Evans who are all the right side of 25 and now a year older and a year wiser.

We've got Vidic coming back from injury too and have added another talented young English player in Powell who will hopefully follow the lead of Jones and Smalling, on top of that we have an incredibly exciting purchase in Kagawa who plays in a position we have been crying out for, an attacking playmaker.

We've got players coming into the right age in Rooney, Nani, Young and Valencia and immense experience in Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Carrick yet people still want us to crack open a "war chest".

I'll just never understand this "quick fix" attitude to Football. "Buy that fella, that fella and that fella and we're sorted in those positions". I'd rather see us building the squad with the same thought and approach we have taken for years, the right players in at the right time and the right players promoted at the right time.

We take the piss out of the City's and Chelsea's of this world but in essence 90% of people on here would like nothing more than for our club to act like them in the transfer market. Sod that, I'm proud of our club's approach to Football.
 
golden_blunder said:
I hear on the grapevine that Gill has been spotted with a certain central midfielder from the blue half of Glasgow. Lets just say that he's ginger, United have looked at him when he was younger, he has captained his club and country and is a free pickup
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Oh ffs, I really hope this is one of your wums. He's much worse than we already have.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Yet you mention no central midfielders...interesting.

Could that be because...and here we go...wait for it.

WE NEED TO feckING STRENGTHEN THERE.
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Carrick, Scholes, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Jones and Powell

Carrick is excellent.

Scholes is excellent but can't play every week.

Cleverley and Anderson have horrendous injury records but that fact is, they are both United players and both central midfielders with massive potential and ee have invested time and money into both and they are both coming out of the age where footballers traditionally put the injuries behind them and kick on.

Kagawa predominantly plays as an attacking midfielder off the front man but has all the ingredients to play a bit deeper without losing his creative instincts around the oppositions area. His quick feet, mobility and one touch ability are everything we have been missing in the centre.

Jones has shown enormous potential and experience will only see him improve, he's a physical and determined player and I can't wait to see how he develops.

Powell is 18 and will be a year or two away from being dependable but clearly has a lot of potential and Ferguson said he will get his chances this year.

Not to mention Fletcher who we know nothing about.

So 7 options for 2 positions, 5 of which are 24 or under and as I said above need patience and time to grow. Where do you think Xavi would be now if Barcelona had just gone out and spunked money on a central midfielder instead of showing patience and faith in him?


Quick fixes all the time, FM generation personified.
 
Crumpsall Red said:
He's right though!
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Anyone who thinks that the team is brilliant as it is because we ended up second is as deluded as those who says that we're shit. We've got a strong side with great potential but still need some quality strengthening in CM and LB (if Fabio leaves).

And no one says that Cleverley/Smalling are average and Kagawa is a third rated player. Those are mad people words.
 
We. Need. A. Midfield.

And it's not going to come from what we've already got. The only nice thing about having such a lovely attack and defence is that we win games and trophies. Otherwise it's like having Alan Shearer at Newcastle. Great to have the best striker in the prem, but that doesn't really get you anywhere.
 
Pexbo said:
Carrick, Scholes, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Jones and Powell

Carrick is excellent.

Scholes is excellent but can't play every week.

Cleverley and Anderson have horrendous injury records but that fact is, they are both United players and both central midfielders with massive potential and ee have invested time and money into both and they are both coming out of the age where footballers traditionally put the injuries behind them and kick on.

Kagawa predominantly plays as an attacking midfielder off the front man but has all the ingredients to play a bit deeper without losing his creative instincts around the oppositions area. His quick feet, mobility and one touch ability are everything we have been missing in the centre.

Jones has shown enormous potential and experience will only see him improve, he's a physical and determined player and I can't wait to see how he develops.

Powell is 18 and will be a year or two away from being dependable but clearly has a lot of potential and Ferguson said he will get his chances this year.

Not to mention Fletcher who we know nothing about.

So 7 options for 2 positions, 5 of which are 24 or under and as I said above need patience and time to grow. Where do you think Xavi would be now if Barcelona had just gone out and spunked money on a central midfielder instead of showing patience and faith in him?


Quick fixes all the time, FM generation personified.
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What makes you think that Clev and Ando will not get injured again? How many times have you seen Kagawa play in CM and what makes you think that Powell is ready for first team football (how many times have you seen him play to conclude that)?

BTW Jones is a defender.
 
Pexbo said:
So 7 options for 2 positions, 5 of which are 24 or under and as I said above need patience and time to grow. Where do you think Xavi would be now if Barcelona had just gone out and spunked money on a central midfielder instead of showing patience and faith in him?
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Carrick - Good, we've nailed down 1 starter. Let's play him 55 matches next season, and he won't ever be injured.

Scholes - Looked great for 10 games, then tired badly. He's also retired once. Let's depend on him.

Cleverley - Never managed 3 months fit at the highest level.
Anderson - Never managed 3 months fit at the highest level.
Fletcher - May never play football again.

Powell - You haven't seen him play 90 minutes, I haven't seen him play 90 minutes, and no one on Earth has seen him play 90 minutes in central midfield at a decent level because he hasn't.

Kagawa - See above.

So your solution is to trust that Michael Carrick plays every match, and then ignore history, precedence and reality.

Sensible.
 
Pexbo said:
Carrick, Scholes, Cleverley, Anderson, Kagawa, Jones and Powell

Carrick is excellent.

Scholes is excellent but can't play every week.

Cleverley and Anderson have horrendous injury records but that fact is, they are both United players and both central midfielders with massive potential and ee have invested time and money into both and they are both coming out of the age where footballers traditionally put the injuries behind them and kick on.

Kagawa predominantly plays as an attacking midfielder off the front man but has all the ingredients to play a bit deeper without losing his creative instincts around the oppositions area. His quick feet, mobility and one touch ability are everything we have been missing in the centre.

Jones has shown enormous potential and experience will only see him improve, he's a physical and determined player and I can't wait to see how he develops.

Powell is 18 and will be a year or two away from being dependable but clearly has a lot of potential and Ferguson said he will get his chances this year.

Not to mention Fletcher who we know nothing about.

So 7 options for 2 positions, 5 of which are 24 or under and as I said above need patience and time to grow. Where do you think Xavi would be now if Barcelona had just gone out and spunked money on a central midfielder instead of showing patience and faith in him?


Quick fixes all the time, FM generation personified.
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You're just choosing to ignore all weaknesses and look at the positives. You're also ruling out anyone getting injured even though both the young CMs havent been able to stay fit for long stretches yet. Also ignoring the fact that Carrick is the only one in the squad who can play the role he does. Kagawa has never played at CM. powell is a kid who's never even played at this level before. Fletch, no one knows when/if he'l ever be back so there's no point including him.

We need a CM, we've needed one for a while now. An early European exit last year and Carrick staying fit throughout meant we somehow managed to pull through, unless we have similar aspirations this year, we must get a CM.

Simply put, take Carrick out of that CM and it will not be able to compete against most top teams in Europe. That simply is too thin as far as options go for a club like ours.
 
pocco said:
I know its not a 'decent level', but Powell plays in CM for England U18's.
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Considering that the likes of Parker and Henderson play with the big boys that can't be considered as proof of top quality isn't it?

PS I am not suggesting that he's shit. I know nothing about the guy apart from youtube.
 
Pexbo said:
Improve our squad? We're not Man City, we don't need £100m on transfers, to improve our squad we just need to let the young players we have develop organically and pick a couple of shrewd investments here and there like Kagawa, Valencia and Hernandez.

Without spending a penny our squad would have been better than last year because we have:

Welbeck, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez, Anderson, De Gea and Evans who are all the right side of 25 and now a year older and a year wiser.

We've got Vidic coming back from injury too and have added another talented young English player in Powell who will hopefully follow the lead of Jones and Smalling, on top of that we have an incredibly exciting purchase in Kagawa who plays in a position we have been crying out for, an attacking playmaker.

We've got players coming into the right age in Rooney, Nani, Young and Valencia and immense experience in Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Carrick yet people still want us to crack open a "war chest".

I'll just never understand this "quick fix" attitude to Football. "Buy that fella, that fella and that fella and we're sorted in those positions". I'd rather see us building the squad with the same thought and approach we have taken for years, the right players in at the right time and the right players promoted at the right time.

We take the piss out of the City's and Chelsea's of this world but in essence 90% of people on here would like nothing more than for our club to act like them in the transfer market. Sod that, I'm proud of our club's approach to Football.
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Who the feck is on about a war chest? The majority on here aren't asking us to spend money like City and Real do at all. But to suggest we don't need to buy players in certain positions in order to compete at the highest level is silly. I don't care what they cost as long as they're bought.

Seriously, as I said before, literally all you've done is point out the positive aspects of the team and completely ignored all negatives.
 
Cina said:
Who the feck is on about a war chest? The majority on here aren't asking us to spend money like City and Real do at all. But to suggest we don't need to buy players in certain positions in order to compete at the highest level is silly. I don't care what they cost as long as they're bought.

Seriously, as I said before, literally all you've done is point out the positive aspects of the team and completely ignored all negatives.
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I've not completely ignored all the negatives, I've recognised them if you read my post.

Scholes can't play every week.

Cleverley and Anderson have horrendous injury records.

Kagawa is an attacking midfielder (not a centremid)

Jones has showed potential (of course he's not ready yet)
and for whoever said he's "a defender", his best performances came in that short spell in midfield. Capello played him there too. He's not getting ahead of Vidic, Ferdinand, Smalling or Evans any time soon in that position.

Powell is 18 and is a season or two away from being dependable.



So no, I didn't just "point out the positives".

The point of my post was to highlight why Ferguson is not going to invest in that midfield. We have 7 players (8 if Fletcher comes back) who will be able to play in our midfield this season. If we are going to have 6 injuries at some point then we are shit out of luck anyway. If we bought an M'Vila or Martinez then we're just adding more numbers. Quality, yes, but what is to say they won't break a leg on the opening day of the season? We already have the quality here we just have to hope for some luck and get them to kick on when they have a string of games.

Somewhere in those 7 players is a killer combination just waiting to happen, we just have to show faith and patience which is something Ferguson has shown throughout his 25 years at the club and is why we are where we are.

There is proven quality and bags of potential in that 7 players, at some point Anderson and/or Cleverley have to get the rub of the green and then we have 4 solid midfielders to choose from and Kagawa as an option as well as Powell to blood and Jones to continue his development, maybe it won't be in midfield but he is still an option.

Of course I'd like to have a settled midfield of 4 Injury free players in the peak of their career but that's not the stage we are at right now. If we invest in a proven centre mid then we're just telling Cleverley and Anderson to forget it and that's not something I want to see happen, I'd rather we work on what we have, hope for a bit of luck on the injury front (lord knows we are due it) and enjoy the fruits when it all comes together.

Football isn't as straightforward as getting the cheque book out and buying a cookie cut player.
 
Just answer a single question Pexbo.

What if Carrick gets injured? Leave all the 5-6 injuries you talk about, am just talking of an injury to 1 player.

Is there anyone in our entire squad that can do what Carrick does? Can you form a midfield out of those you've mentioned minus carrick that could compete against any of the top sides in Europe or even in england?
 
Let's leave the midfield as it is and wait for Anderson and Cleverley to step up. They did tear City apart that one time.
 
golden_blunder said:
I hear on the grapevine that Gill has been spotted with a certain central midfielder from the blue half of Glasgow. Lets just say that he's ginger, United have looked at him when he was younger, he has captained his club and country and is a free pickup
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Well at least it's 'Value' if he's free
 
golden_blunder said:
I hear on the grapevine that Gill has been spotted with a certain central midfielder from the blue half of Glasgow. Lets just say that he's ginger, United have looked at him when he was younger, he has captained his club and country and is a free pickup
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I have no idea who you are talking about but he must be shite.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Just answer a single question Pexbo.

What if Carrick gets injured? Leave all the 5-6 injuries you talk about, am just talking of an injury to 1 player.

Is there anyone in our entire squad that can do what Carrick does? Can you form a midfield out of those you've mentioned minus carrick that could compete against any of the top sides in Europe or even in england?
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Cleverley - Anderson didn't do too badly at the start of the season.

What if Rooney gets injured? Should we buy another world class striker because we can't rely on Welbeck and Hernandez?

Say we buy someone like Martinez, who do you let go?

Carrick, Scholes, Cleverley, Anderson, Martinez, Jones, Kagawa and Powell

Overkill?


I know the answer is going to be "Anderson", but I think that is mental. As I have said in other threads, he played more games than Cleverley this season and was very good in most of them. Excuse him for having a couple of off days as obviously he isn't like Rooney or Nani who never have bad games (oh, wait).

He's got European experience (2 Finals) and has 4 Premier League medals to his name as well as a better injury record than Cleverley. So we should we let Cleverley go instead? No, of course not, you'd think I'm mental for even suggesting it but compare both players and what they have achieved, Anderson's a mile ahead and surprisingly has played more games (Anderson at United vs Cleverley at Utd Reserves/Watford/Wigan/United) yet people always call for his head. That's what is mental for me. Why are we hyping one youngster up who has achieved nothing and castigating another when he has proven he can play at a high level? We should be getting behind both of them.

Anyway, the point of all that is that we can't bring someone else in without someone else missing games, be it by departing on by being benched or out of the squad.

The truth is, it's Scholes that logically we would let go but that is ridiculous as well, he was fantastic on his return and has offered us another year.

So in a years time should we be looking to replace Scholes? Maybe, or maybe Cleverley or/and Anderson will have beaten their bad luck and had 30+ game season and really kicked on. Maybe Powell will have shown himself to be the second coming. Maybe Kagawa will have shown he can drop deep and play like a Modric style role of pass and move, maybe Jones will prove midfield to be his position and he will kick on and show that promise he has.

All these maybes are exactly the reason I think Ferguson isn't going to go out and spend £30m on a player who is "probably no better than I already have".

For me, this season is a key one. Lots of young players who have a lot to prove and we are going to find out who is the real deal, who is never going to get over their injuries and who just isn't going to make the grade.

To bring in a top player and not let them prove that would not just be bad business but bad management. You can't win it all every year, it might be hard to accept but that is part and parcel of football, that's not to say you shouldn't try.
 
So strengthening the weakest position in the team is bad management. I get it.

Jones is a defender, Fletch is facing a career threatening sickness, Powell is supposed to be a trequartista and cover for Kagawa while Ando/Clev are injury prone. By now we should only talk about Giggs/Scholes as an emergency plan who'll get out of trouble if shite hits fan and that's an argument shared not just by fans but by legends such as Lou Macari.
 
Pexbo are you being WUM or do you seriously not want us to sign a CM?
 
Wow, that post is a trainwreck.

I don't think we should sign anyone ever again as that would be bad management considering the young players we have, 11 year olds included.
 
devilish said:
So strengthening the weakest position in the team is bad management. I get it.
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You didn't read any of that did you.


Our midfield might be our weakest position, but there is no shame in that when you are comparing it to out Defense, Wings and Attack.

The extent of it's weakness is something that is hugely over played though.

The potential in it is good though and to quote Ferguson:

"We had a player that once said to me Rooney and Ronaldo weren’t good enough. Can you believe that? He actually said they weren’t good enough and he wasn’t prepared to wait until they were. That’s what happens, that’s the problem with potential – people don’t identify potential, they’re very poor at it.

"I’ve identified it all my life within young people – I know potential, I know how it can be developed and I know how to have faith in it - young people surprise you when you give them an opportunity. And that’s what this club is about. So when you see Manchester United at the moment with all these young players, you can’t see Manchester United three years ahead because you’re not thinking about that."

Think about three years ahead:

Carrick (34)
Cleverley (26)
Anderson (27)
Jones (23)
Powell (21)
Kagawa (26)

Like I said above, we're going to have a better idea at the end of this season and Scholes will be leaving then so there will be space. Buying a top midfielder this season would be bad management.
 
We didn't need to sign Evra back in '06 when we still had Silvestre and Heinze, but that didn't turn out so bad did it?

If the likes of Cleverley and Anderson are good enough they will get games regardless of who we buy.

The fact of the matter is that if we don't sort the midfield out its going to bite us in the backside sooner rather than later.

If a player of Modric's quality is genuinely available this summer, then it is madness to not move for him.
 
Garethw said:
Pexbo are you being WUM or do you seriously not want us to sign a CM?
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I'm serious. I can see the logic in Ferguson's thinking. He's not going to buy one, is that because he's mental? Senile? a bad manager?
 
Sometime you need a quick fix to stay competitive. To say we have never used that method alongside our usual admirable policy of value and youth would be silly. We're suffering in cm so it seems a logical suggestion that recruiting someone at the top of their game would be advantageous. Just like we did with Rio when our defence had become overly detrimental to our fortunes in 2002, due to...surprise surprise, a lack of reliable players, recurring injury problems and some ageing / some developing players in that position
 
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