David De Gea

RDCR07 said:
You dont think Fergie had a great defense with Neville, Rio, Vidic and Evra? Did we really need VDS behind them? And before that when we had Schmeichel? Its true they wont be called upon as often as before but for that one moment where the defense has a lapse in concentration, you need someone like a VDS or DDG for their reflexes and quick thinking not Romero. DDG has been tested and proven. Romero has not even though the cafe thinks he is great. He would have been shown the door if he was the #1 keeper during LVGs reign when our defense was so shit.
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I think the thing is that DDG could be the key to us signing one of those very special players that could genuinely make a huge difference to us. If we offered money alone to Madrid they wouldn't accept (within reason), so it might be a sacrifice worth making.

Imho it would be easier for us to sign a good replacement for DDG than it would be to sign someone of Bale's stature.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
I think the thing is that DDG could be the key to us signing one of those very special players that could genuinely make a huge difference to us. If we offered money alone to Madrid they wouldn't accept (within reason), so it might be a sacrifice worth making.

Imho it would be easier for us to sign a good replacement for DDG than it would be to sign someone of Bale's stature.
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Honestly if we wanted a world beater we have the money to go buy anyone. We dont need to lose DDG to get one of them.
 
RDCR07 said:
You dont think Fergie had a great defense with Neville, Rio, Vidic and Evra? Did we really need VDS behind them? And before that when we had Schmeichel? Its true they wont be called upon as often as before but for that one moment where the defense has a lapse in concentration, you need someone like a VDS or DDG for their reflexes and quick thinking not Romero. DDG has been tested and proven. Romero has not even though the cafe thinks he is great. He would have been shown the door if he was the #1 keeper during LVGs reign when our defense was so shit.
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Yeh I fully appreciate the fact that a good keeper is a valuable player in any team. But it's just that for me, great teams can get away with good keepers, they don't need the best in the world. The best football team I've ever seen (peps Barcelona) had an average keeper and won everything. Obviously that's an extreme example but it highlights to me that a world class attack is more valuable than a world class keeper. Romero is more than good enough if you have a world class defence, midfield and attack which is exactly what we would have if we could add Bale.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
I think the thing is that DDG could be the key to us signing one of those very special players that could genuinely make a huge difference to us. If we offered money alone to Madrid they wouldn't accept (within reason), so it might be a sacrifice worth making.

Imho it would be easier for us to sign a good replacement for DDG than it would be to sign someone of Bale's stature.
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Yeh I'm fully agreed here
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
Yeh I fully appreciate the fact that a good keeper is a valuable player in any team. But it's just that for me, great teams can get away with good keepers, they don't need the best in the world. The best football team I've ever seen (peps Barcelona) had an average keeper and won everything. Obviously that's an extreme example but it highlights to me that a world class attack is more valuable than a world class keeper. Romero is more than good enough if you have a world class defence, midfield and attack which is exactly what we would have if we could add Bale.
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Our only world class position IS the GK. We dont have a world class defense or midfield or even attack for that matter, even if you add Bale. Sure you have world class players in Pogba and Bale but doesnt mean the entire midfield or attack is world class. Our defense is definitely not world class. Lindelof hasnt even kicked a ball yet.
 
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RDCR07 said:
Honestly if we wanted a world beater we have the money to go buy anyone. We dont need to lose DDG to get one of them.
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I know we have the money, but I think we would have to pay waaay over market value to convince Madrid to sell to us...and I'm not sure that that will happen.

Obviously keeping DDG as well as (say) signing Bale would be preferable, but if we have a scenario where DDG actively wants to go then we should be proactive and turn a negative situation into a positive (imho obviously).
 
Adebesi said:
He wasnt going to move on a free, we were going to get £29m for him in that deal. When it collapsed he went into the last year of his contract and there was a risk we would lose him for free the following summer, at which point he signed another contract, thus protecting Manchester United. He didnt do anything wrong at all IMO.
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De Gea is not worth 29 mil, its' peanuts for a goalkeeper just entering his prime. Massive undervaluation. If we kept him by force instead of taking the 29 mil, he would have walked on a free if Real wanted him.

With 29 mil, one cannot even buy Gylfi Sigurdsson nowadays, ffs. Not that money matters to United, its' a principle.

Getting Navas in return was also not our choice, it was just Real flogging him to us on account of the fact that Navas wouldn't be a starter if De Gea arrived.

Of course he didn't talk a lot to the media. But that doesn't mean he wasn't pushing for a move. By nature, De Gea is a quiet guy, and he seems to be the type who wishes to avoid controversy as much as possible. That is the reason you will probably never find him openly mouthing off to the media, more than his respect or lack thereof for the club. But there are ways to get what you want without being a loudmouth and he tried using those methods.

Pushing for a move is perfectly fine. Make sure your club gets the fee they deserve, ie, north of 50 mil. De Gea certainly wasn't bothered about that. But this is my opinion only, everyone seems to love him, and as for myself, so long as he remains professional and focused, I don't care one way or another.
 
Madrid are not getting their shiny new toy this summer so they're using De Gea again. No chance they're getting him this summer.
 
We should give him a new contract at the end of this season just to not be in that same situation. If he rejects then we can extend his contract for one more year and still be in a position to demand 60-70m for him.
 
Kapardin said:
De Gea is not worth 29 mil, its' peanuts for a goalkeeper just entering his prime. Massive undervaluation. If we kept him by force instead of taking the 29 mil, he would have walked on a free if Real wanted him.

With 29 mil, one cannot even buy Gylfi Sigurdsson nowadays, ffs. Not that money matters to United, its' a principle.

Getting Navas in return was also not our choice, it was just Real flogging him to us on account of the fact that Navas wouldn't be a starter if De Gea arrived.

Of course he didn't talk a lot to the media. But that doesn't mean he wasn't pushing for a move. By nature, De Gea is a quiet guy, and he seems to be the type who wishes to avoid controversy as much as possible. That is the reason you will probably never find him openly mouthing off to the media, more than his respect or lack thereof for the club. But there are ways to get what you want without being a loudmouth and he tried using those methods.

Pushing for a move is perfectly fine. Make sure your club gets the fee they deserve, ie, north of 50 mil. De Gea certainly wasn't bothered about that. But this is my opinion only, everyone seems to love him, and as for myself, so long as he remains professional and focused, I don't care one way or another.
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This deal was a few years ago though remember, Im not saying it was a princely sum, or even a fair representation of his value, but player inflation has gone through the roof since then, at the time £30m for a goalkeeper (never a position where people get sold for huge amounts) with a year left on his contract was about as good as it was going to get for us. Comparing it to what Sigurdsson would go for this summer is completely irrelevant and misleading.

I agree with most of what you are saying though. "Pushing for a move is perfectly fine." So no criticism of him there. "He seems to be the type who wishes to avoid controversy as much as possible." Good, that's the way I like our players to behave. "Make sure your club gets the fee they deserve." That is what he did. As I said, north of £50m now is very different to north of £50m two years ago. Even then we might have got it but for his contract situation, but he can hardly be blamed for being in the last year of his contract.
 
RDCR07 said:
We dont have a world class defense or midfield or even attack for that matter, even if you add Bale. Sure you have world class players in Pogba and Bale but doesnt mean the entire midfield or attack is world class. Our defense is definitely not world class. Lindelof hasnt even kicked a ball yet.
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Well that's opinion but fair enough I might be being abit premature saying they all all world class. However, I tend to rate our squad and players higher than most and think that if they aren't world class right now, they at least have potential to be in the next season. (Honestly think that will be reflected in the league performance this year, watch this space ;)) but that's probably a debate for a more relevant thread.

I guess ultimately it depends on your rating of Bale. I think he'd be best player in the premier league by a mile and would therefore elevate our attack to the next level.
 
buckooo1978 said:
a big big step down

Romero didn't let us down last year but he isnt in the same league as De Gea
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People just dont get it. Its like a playing a game in an easy mode vs legendary mode. Playing the first 5 mins in legendary mode might seem easy but when shit hits the fan we all wanna restart or go back to the easy mode. Same thing here. Having DDG might seem so easy because it makes it look easy. Having Romero might be okay for a while but during tough games or when he fails to make the saves he should, critics will be all over him saying DDG would have saved.
 
It's mind games, that's all there is to it. Zidane doesn't care for De Gea, real madrid doesn't care for De Gea right now, it's also clear that he's unattainable no matter what the player wants.

It's bs, plain and simple. Whether it's united trying to look good, whether it's the agent making stuff up, journos making stuff up, Perez wanting to exact a little revenge for Morata(would be fecking stupid and childish if that were the case, but i wouldn't put it past Flo), it's all BS
 
giorno said:
It's mind games, that's all there is to it. Zidane doesn't care for De Gea, real madrid doesn't care for De Gea right now, it's also clear that he's unattainable no matter what the player wants.

It's bs, plain and simple. Whether it's united trying to look good, whether it's the agent making stuff up, journos making stuff up, Perez wanting to exact a little revenge for Morata(would be fecking stupid and childish if that were the case, but i wouldn't put it past Flo), it's all BS
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This is what I said yesterday and exactly what I think is happening.
We are briefing that we are expecting a bid and the bid will be rejected.
The problem with that is Madrid have said they're not going to bid.
 
Jim Beam said:
People are rightly annoyed after Morata price which would put him in top 5 transfers and clearly didn't deserve to be there based on performances. If Morata is around 90million then yes United can say you're getting a goalkeeper entering his prime with 10 years of service guaranteed on the highest level. Feck em, he has a contract, put close to world record price or we won't talk.
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It's not as simple as that. If De Gea has told us he wants to leave (and if he has told us since last season) then we risk him becoming unhappy and saying it publicly. We will lose all leverage then. In negotiations you never say "Feck em". You find a sweet spot.
 
shamans said:
It's not as simple as that. If De Gea has told us he wants to leave (and if he has told us since last season) then we risk him becoming unhappy and saying it publicly. We will lose all leverage then. In negotiations you never say "Feck em". You find a sweet spot.
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He has 3 years left on his deal and you have more money than God. De Gea is not in a position to force anything
 
Knew it would lead to a load of bullshit training at the same place as Real Madrid.
 
Not sure why we would be even slightly tempted by 50 million. We don't need the funds. He's probably one of the top 3 goalies in the world younger than him is any better. We should consider him ours and shut the door for 10 years unless someone pays 100M plus or gives us a player in return that can make a difference like Bale or Ronaldo (which is too complicated to consider).

I'm sure the club has already gone directly to the player and told him that you are OUR GUY and we don't intend to be persuaded. This seems like just a bunch of media hype to me.
 
Can't see De Gea joining Real this summer.
  • Real doesn't put enough bid/interests last time during "Morata negotiation", or even previous transfer windows.
  • Navas is the definite first choice, popular with Zidane and the Real players.
  • De Gea will play second fiddle there instead of the first choice here with us.
  • Our squad is improving; Mourinho, Pogba, etc and recently Lukaku ~ encouraging signs.
  • Other than perhaps Morata, who else at Real De Gea is comfortable with, compare to here with the likes of Mata, Herrera and others.
Why go to a club where you're not really that wanted, compare to the club where you'll play regularly and be accepted.
 
Reafer said:
  • De Gea will play second fiddle there instead of the first choice here with us.
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:lol: DDG backup keeper? You do understand that Zidane says stuff Navas is #1 to keep him happy right? If they have a chance to sign DDG, they will drop Navas like a hot tamale.
 
NK86 said:
WR fee because not too many top goalkeepers have moved teams. You think Bayern would sell Neuer for 50 mil?
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Exactly!!!

When we want to buy Ronaldo, Bale, Neuer, Pogba, Mbappe, etc, we are either told, "NO" or we are told "World Record Transfer Fee please".
Yet, when we are selling our best player, we should do some cut-price deal?

We now have Jose at the helm, which means that he won't let players leave for cut price deals. Every player we sold under LVG, was sold at a loss or for bargain basement prices.
Under Jose, of all the players we have sold, we have made no losses, even though players like Morgan S + Memphis were pretty poor, for us.
With Jose at the helm, we can demand big prices for our players.
 
ti vu said:
I meant we offer him plus money to buy Griezmann. Atletico can always sell Oblak. W can even buy Oblak too. My point is about we're not desperate to sell DDG if at all, let alone to Real
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Just seen this. Agree with the general point, always felt if it had to happen push him to Atletico.
 
Reafer said:
Can't see De Gea joining Real this summer.
  • Real doesn't put enough bid/interests last time during "Morata negotiation", or even previous transfer windows.
  • Navas is the definite first choice, popular with Zidane and the Real players.
  • De Gea will play second fiddle there instead of the first choice here with us.
  • Our squad is improving; Mourinho, Pogba, etc and recently Lukaku ~ encouraging signs.
  • Other than perhaps Morata, who else at Real De Gea is comfortable with, compare to here with the likes of Mata, Herrera and others.
Why go to a club where you're not really that wanted, compare to the club where you'll play regularly and be accepted.
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You do realise your third point is pretty much utter nonsense, right?

What even made you believe such in the first place :lol:

You think Madrid would push hard for a top 2 keeper in the world, pay shit load of money and have him play second fiddle to an inferior keeper? Did you even think it through?
 
I think that the rumor comes because United have brought Pereira back?
Now with the preseason started it seems really unlikely. There would have to be a very good offer for Keylor Navas and De Gea would have to step forward, pressing United or speaking publicly. He has not done it in two years, so I do not think he´ll do it now.
In addition the price would be too high , even more after what happened with Morata.
 
Everyone so amendment he is staying yet there has been over 300 posts in the last 2 days on this subject :wenger:
Screams uncertainty to me.
 
The interest is over. It's clear from Mourinho's quote. Stone from the BBC is just putting it out wrong.
 
Raoul said:
Would be a great deal for both parties if that happened. I hear Jose is fine with Romero and Pereira if Dave leaves.
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No matter how good Romeroa and Pereira are or can be, you'd be willing to lose arguably the best keeper in the world for a striker who has never scored 30 in a season (not first choice I know but the fact remains)?
 
Jericholyte2 said:
No matter how good Romeroa and Pereira are or can be, you'd be willing to lose arguably the best keeper in the world for a striker who has never scored 30 in a season (not first choice I know but the fact remains)?
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Depends how you look at it. I'm confident Romero can do a great job if Dave leaves and I'm also confident Morata will in a couple of years be one of the best strikers in the world. If Dave really wants to leave then we could do a lot worse imo.
 
Raoul said:
Would be a great deal for both parties if that happened. I hear Jose is fine with Romero and Pereira if Dave leaves.
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Absolutely not , how will it be a great deal for both parties. Madrid need goals of morata and need money for mbappe and we don't need another striker and will need a goal keeper too.
 
Santoryo said:
You do realise your third point is pretty much utter nonsense, right?

What even made you believe such in the first place :lol:

You think Madrid would push hard for a top 2 keeper in the world, pay shit load of money and have him play second fiddle to an inferior keeper? Did you even think it through?
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In what way?

Consider all the surrounding points (whole context) given, and not to ignore it.

So far, Real doesn't put enough effort in buying De Gea, and do they even bid with shit load of money to get De Gea? Nope, so far, they don't push forward the deal to get him in this transfer window, within the recent Morata negotiation, or previous windows, they even canceled it at the last minute (that fax-machine fail funny story). From this, we can conclude high like they're not that interested in getting De Gea and no quick urgency/plan to replace Navas. If Real really are that interested, then why don't they get him already? Clearly, they have the financial strength, great winning top class squad and De Gea is known to be very fond. They hold the strong cards here.

^ But of course, all of us can only speculate, and the transfer could happen now onwards.. or not. Hope not.

Did you even think it through?
 
There's something that doesn't add up on this rumour. The ESPN article mentioned that United aren't worried because they don't feel Real can afford him. It almost suggests a buyout/release clause. If not then United have no obligation whatsoever to sell, irrespective of what Real can afford.

Now that United are no longer chasing Morata I am surprised this one came up again. It is a rumour that just won't go away and there is a sense of inevitability about it.

If Joel is the long term plan at United then I think Jose would like at least another 1-2 years from De Gea before he leaves.
 
If Madrid are setting the price for 2nd choice striker, who mainly gets in their team as a sub at £80m, you could imagine the price tag we set on one of the three best keepers in the world.
They played hardball and so should we.
£120 and no less.
 
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