What kind of balls does he prefer?
David De Gea (SAF confirmed signing!)
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Waxed.
sodding hell at that scouting report.
That's what im talking about! Attention to detail.
I love him already
that is an impressive effort.
Agreed, impressive stuff. To be honest, I'd be happy with either Neuer or De Gea. They both seem to be very good goalkeepers. Personally though, I'd prefer De Gea since he's so similar to Casillas in his younger years - I expect him to be one of the very best goalkeepers in the world in 3-4 years time (while he isn't too bad currently either).
Yes, definitely scary. It's not just goalkeepers either...
Javier Pastore and Paulo Henrique aka Ganso are two of the most exciting young attacking midfielders in world football. They are both just 21 years old, both are roughly 1.85m in height, both are playmakers, both have been called "the new Kaka", both have recently broken into their respective national teams, both are South American, both have been getting rave reviews for their performances over the last year or so and both look set to have great careers at the highest level of the game. But while they share many similarities it is also their differences which make them an interesting pair.
Nicknamed El Flaco for his slender physique, Pastore is in many ways the complete attacking midfielder. He is fast and direct with excellent technique and the confidence to take players on. Capable of scoring with his head and either foot he is as comfortable scoring himself as he is setting up a team mate. His passing vision and playmaking ability are fantastic and seeing him combine his dribbling, passing and scoring skills into one package is truly exciting.
He began his career at Argentine second division side Talleres where he earned his first team debut in 2007. For the 2008 season he was loaned to first division side Huracán. He had a difficult start to life at his new club, rarely featuring under managers Ubeda and Martinez. It wasn't until Ángel Cappa took over as manager near the end of the 2008 Apertura that Pastore became a regular feature of the side which finished 17th in the table. By the 2009 Clausura he was a key member of the squad leading Huracán, now on the verge of bankruptcy and not having won the league since 1973, to a second place finish behind Vélez Sársfield scoring 7 goals in 19 appearances.
His performances attracted attention from many big European clubs including a €10m bid from United which Pastore turned down because he wasn't convinced he would get enough first team football. Palermo president Maurizio Zamparini watched a few DVDs of Pastore given to him by the club's director of sport Walter Sabatini and immediately sent Sabatini to Argentina to negotiate Pastore's transfer and in the end it was Palermo who won Pastore's signature with a €5.5m bid and promise of first team football. Unwilling to miss out on the young star Chelsea's Frank Arnesen reportedly offered Palermo €12m for Pastore before he had even played for Palermo but the club turned it down.
His start at Palermo was again a difficult one. His relationship with manager Walter Zenga wasn't the best and his performances in a new league were inconsistent. Once again a change of manager proved a catalyst in his growth as Delio Rossi replaced Zenga. After a string of substitute appearances a man of the match performance against Bari in January saw owner Zamparini slam Rossi in public demanding they "pass him the ball more." Pastore's star was on the rise and he finished the season as a first team regular, helping lead Palermo to a 5th place finish.
He has started the 2010/11 season in sensational form, scoring 7 goals in 13 league appearances including his first career hat trick in the Derby di Sicilia against Catania. His performances have made him one of the stand out performers in Serie A. Zamparini has been quick to dismiss all transfer speculation slapping a €60m price tag on the Argentinian he calls "the new Zinedine Zidane", but even he must know he cannot keep him at Palermo forever and a move to one of the giants of world football is only a matter of time.
While Pastore is full of energy and direct in his play, Ganso prefers to approach the game at his own pace. He has the rare ability of being able to slow a game down and let the game unfold around him as he pulls the strings like a master puppeteer. He has an elegant touch on the ball and exudes a calmness with every movement. While he can score himself more often he looks to set up a team mate, delivering that final ball with inch perfect precision. Sócrates called him "the greatest revelation Brazil has produced in the last decade."
He began his youth career at small regional club Tuna Luso having been discovered by former Brazil international Giovanni before joining Santos in 2005 where he made his first team debut in 2008. By the 2009 season he was a key member of the squad scoring 10 goals in 48 appearances in the Brasileirão, Copa do Brasil and Campeonato Paulista.
With his profile ever rising it was the 2010 Campeonato Paulista where he really shot to international attention. Having scored 11 goals in 18 games to lead his side to the final, Santos won the first leg 3-2 away to Santo André. The second leg turned out to be a sensational match. By half time the game was 3-2 in favour of Santo André who were now down to ten men. The bad news for Santos was that they were down to nine. Needing to maintain this score line to win the title Ganso put in a master class, single handedly holding up the ball, winning free kicks, wasting time and creating chances. Even when Santos had another man sent off Santo André could do nothing to stop Ganso who simply wouldn't quit. There was a magnificent moment in the second half after Santos went down to eight men: the manager wanted to take off Ganso and replace him with another defender but Ganso signaled to the bench telling him "I'm not coming off, I'm staying here." And so the manager took off another player and Ganso continued, leading his side to the title.
His performances for Santos lead to calls for Dunga to take him to the World Cup with numerous famous Brazilian stars like Zico, Pele, Tostão and Sócrates all calling for his inclusion. Unfortunately Dunga wouldn't listen and we didn't get to see Ganso at the World Cup. After replacing Dunga as national team coach Mano Menezes's first act in charge was to give Ganso his first cap in a friendly against the USA. Unfortunately in a match against Grêmio in August Ganso strained the ligaments in his left knee which means he will be out for about six months. Even with his injury a transfer to one of the biggest European clubs is just a matter of time
It's still too early to tell who will go on to be the better player. Certainly Pastore has a head start due to having already established himself in a bigger league and due to Ganso's injury. But both are supremely talented and the sky is the limit for both of them. One thing is for sure, I can't wait to see these two face off against each other for Brazil and Argentina for the next ten years.
I'm assuming he's got some sort of a commitment to football 'journalism' (maybe a popular blog? could be an online sportswriter?) but if not then he's completely mental to dedicate that much time to it.
And could easily do that for a living.
He is the best type of football fanatic.
It must be bad if it is coming from a geek like yourself.
I was going to say the same but I thought it went without saying!
I like him though, I must say.
I like him though, I must say.
Most of that content isn't his, though, is it?
On a side note, David De Gea should never join Newcastle or Sunderland as his name means 'David, The Gay' in Geordie.
Hmmm... Some might say the exact opposite.
On the plus side, if there's a random person on the internet that goes into such depth to rate talents, we can be confident that our scouting department will go even further and that we can be confident of whoever we sign, right? Right?
No one had better throw Bebe back at me.
No one had better throw Bebe back at me.
On the internet, yes. In social life, no.
£18 million is a decent offer, can't see us offering more than £20 million.
I have read he has a buyout clause of around 20/21million. I am certain he has a buyout clause, just not 100% on the price.
Balague says his buyout clause is €20million - which would be less than £18million i think.
I still can't see Fergie spending so much on a goalkeeper for some reason.
Interesting that he mentions us when asked about De Gea. Good sign I'd say.
He is very likely to imo - if he wants a good keeper, it will cost that much. The prices of a good quality keeper have rocketed in recent seasons, and we have to move with that.
Actually, other sources say something slightly different. A matter of translation, I suppose. Don't know which is the right one.
David de Gea will cost Manchester United at least £18m | Mail Online
David de Gea will cost Manchester United at least £18m | Mail Online
Have they? Which keepers have went for big money recently?
Boruc went for €2m, Eduardo - the best keeper at the WC - went for €4.5m, Storari - from Milan to Juve - went for €4.5m. There's not been any examples of this just baseless rumours.
How much did Juve sign Buffon for? How much did Sunderland sign Gordon for? Arsenal are supposed to have bid 20million for Reina last summer and had it rejected (according to Bob Wilson). Gomes cost Spurs 8million. Look at the prices being spoken of for De Gea, Neuer, Lloris etc - the value of a keeper is on the rise at the moment. I don't think you would sign any of those last 3 mentioned keepers for less than 15million.
Buffon was signed over a decade ago - he's not really proof of rising prices. He's still the most expensive keeper ever.
£8m is hardly extortionate for Gomes.
Just put John O'Shea between the sticks and be done with it, I say.
I think he was replying to a question in Euros! He said something like, "what's that (I guess referring to the idea of us offering 15m quid) - 17, 18m - that's not many millions."
In any case, I'm always dubious of the numbers game. Does De Gea actually want to come to us? Do we really want him? - I do, but I don't claim to know much about the alternatives. Do Atletico need money, is already known - yes, and with no European football next year, they'll need it even more, though it'll be a hard blow to them. Put those three ingredients together and there will be a deal.
I think De Gea would want to come, but if we're going to spend a lot of money on a keeper it should be Neuer who is the better all round keeper from what I have seen.
Dea Gea would most likely look better at United behind a better defence with Vidic in it, but he'll still make mistakes. He's young and learning. If he's available for significantly less than Neuer by all means, lets take the better deal. But if they'll both cost £20 million or so lets make sure we get the one who is the real deal right from the start.
Dea Gea would most likely look better at United behind a better defence with Vidic in it, but he'll still make mistakes. He's young and learning. If he's available for significantly less than Neuer by all means, lets take the better deal. But if they'll both cost £20 million or so lets make sure we get the one who is the real deal right from the start.
Please stop referring to the buyout clauses in Spanish contracts because 1) They don't apply to us and 2) They aren't worth the paper they're written on if the club doesn't want to sell.
De Gea is 20 - that is a huge gambe if we spend £18m on him and make him our no1.
All I can say is our defence has been the bedrock of our title charge and we need to make some changes - Rio will be in and out and losing VDS will be a massive blow - if we get this wrong it could be costly more costly than buying the wrong striker.
All I can say is our defence has been the bedrock of our title charge and we need to make some changes - Rio will be in and out and losing VDS will be a massive blow - if we get this wrong it could be costly more costly than buying the wrong striker.
Keepers rarely go for big money. This is the first season I m hearing keepers going for so much money. I mean 10-12m? yes, hell 15m max is what I ve heard.
Made a fairly big boob in the Madrid derby last weekend. The ball went through him.
I agree with Graham Hunter
Good journalist, always enjoy his observations on La Liga. Better than that knob Ballague
Everybody on here seems to be focusing only on the negatives, whether it is Neuer, Lloris, Adler or De Gea. I mean come on, they are young (GK years) and are all bound to make mistakes.
In the best muppet traditions, I bring news from Spain. De Gea is allegedly checking out the Manchester housing market. Any estate agents on here?
Any estate agents on here?The problem is we had a developing goalkeeper, he made mistakes and our fans were quick to write him off. De Gea will make them too, hopefully his age will mean our fans show a bit more patience if we sign him
All keepers make mistakes. The best of them get over it and don't mess up the rest of the match / month / season. That's where I'd give De Gea an edge over Foster say. Even if the new guy doesn't make a mistake he'll still get harsh comparisons and unfair criticism - whether about something tangible like distribution or something vague like command.
I don't think the fans will be patient with anyone, snap judgments and past history says a keeper can fail fast at United and the fans/press will be looking for any weakness. As SAF put it - only the manager can be patient. But with De Gea, I reckon a little patience from the manager will be all he needs.
There are safer choices - like Reina. There may even be (currently) better ones, but are they actually available?
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