Tbh I think you're being over-generous with some of those "average"s, at least by PL standards.
For example in terms of % of crosses into the penalty area stopped by the goalkeeper he ranks joint-bottom in the league.
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Tbh I think you're being over-generous with some of those "average"s, at least by PL standards.
For example in terms of % of crosses into the penalty area stopped by the goalkeeper he ranks joint-bottom in the league.
Highlights even further that he is a problem* if we want to be challenging for trophies.
*Not the biggest problem in the team, but he is a problem nonetheless.
The worst thing is that you are being extremely nice to him by saying he's average in those things. He's downright poor in all of them, literally amongst the worst in the league.
This is key for me.
Pep came in saw Joe Hart and wasn’t happy. Bought Claudio Bravo for £20+m (and came third in the season) and still wanted an improvement, thereby getting Ederson for £30+m. And it’s paid off.
Klopp came in didn’t like Mignolet, got Karius instead. Didn’t like him either and bought Alisson for £70m. And it’s paid off.
We’ve been going into each and every season with DdG expecting things to change. He’s been a great servant but Henderson should be given the number 1 spot next season, and if he isn’t good enough, we go to market and buy someone that is.
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The thing with saying it exactly how it is with him, is that it tends to be frowned upon on the forum, and often results in strong criticism from his staunch supporters.
By highlighting just 4 x facets of goalkeeping (Shot-stopping, distribution, collecting crosses/command of area, organising defence), simply shows that he only excels at shot-stopping.
The point being that he is excellent for 25% of what it takes to be a modern day goalkeeper, and is average for the remaining 75% of what it takes to be a modern day goalkeeper.
It’s been this perfect storm where every time a new manager takes over the inevitable teething pains means our goal gets absolutely peppered and De Gea is in his comfort zone, stopping shots. The manager then can’t bring himself to get rid of a keeper who is so visibly bailing his team out every weekend and has no choice but to ignore all his other flaws. Rinse and repeat. Nine years later, here we are…
Have a feeling Oblak saves the goal if that was at the other end. How De Gea stood absolutely rooted there on the spot with little to no pace of the ball going into the net i do not know
If we are being honest, it's very little to do with being a modern keeper and more to do with him being a very limited, weak and timid presence at the back.
Playing higher and sweeping more and having better ability on the ball are the only attributes there that have become more pronounced in recent years.
Everything else along with making saves, has been a massive part of being a goalkeeper for the best part of a century or more. He just either doesn't have it in him or doesn't want to be doing these things. So he just backtracks or sticks to his line to do the one thing he's good at.
I found it hilarious how he gave the ball away in one instance, Atleti got a shot off and he started berating his defenders for his own feck up 
I don't know for sure if him being better on the ball would help our overall play considering the rest of our squad lacks in technical ability but it definitely puts us in uncomfortable situations more often than not.
I don't know for sure if him being better on the ball would help our overall play considering the rest of our squad lacks in technical ability but it definitely puts us in uncomfortable situations more often than not.Given the awful season Oblak has generally had, I wouldn't bank on him saving anything De Gea didn't. Though typically he upped his game against us.
The keeper has the best vision on the field and should be directing the defense. I don't think De Gea does this. I wouldn't be surprised if the only thing he says is "keeper" every once in a while when he decides to come off his line. So many goals could be avoided with some simple direction. Yesterday I was screaming at the TV for Dalot to switch over and pick up the wide man. That should have been De Gea screaming that because obviously Dalot couldn't hear me
He doesn't speak. It's like having a fecking mute in goal. And people suggest him to be captain. You've got to laugh.
You are far to easy on him to be fair.
He is poor in other aspects of the game than shot stopping. There is a reason why he isn't playing for Spain hell even Kepa was infront of him there. I have had enough of him as our highest earner and our leader.
You mean like he saved elanga's shot last leg?
He also made an absolute meal of that dalot cross to elanga last night and a slightly less floated ball in there is likely a goal.
I wasn't impressed with oblak at all and wouldn't be comfortable spending a fortune on him
And tells you everything about the manager's authority and the way he wants his team to play, Pep didn't even give Hart a chance.
Having him and Maguire in defence is like See no Evil/Hear no Evil.
Combined they are best paid goalkeeper in the world and the worlds most expensive defender. Have been mainstays of the defence together for 3 seasons now and for 3 seasons it's been an average of over a goal conceded per game. That's not good enough for any team that wants to win any trophy.
If he gets a new contract with improved terms it would pretty much confirm the club is being run by Liverpool and City fans.
I don't like a keeper as captain regardless of who is in goal. A captain isn't just a vocal presence, they also need to be able to talk to the official and what good is a keeper as captain if there's an incident at the other end of the field...
More people should have cottoned on to this by now. He’s saved because we’re so shite elsewhere.
The day he is pedalled can’t come quick enough.
He's been a constant now in our worst sides of the last few years. Needs changing just like the likes of Shaw and Rashford. No way we should be renewing his ridiculous contract. Any half decent PL keeper would make loads of saves in this team.
The passange of play in the 51st minute sums up the defence's lack of confidence in passing the ball back to De Gea. As soon as Maguire received the ball he should have moved it to De Gea and then he and Varane pull out wide to receive the ball but they are afraid to do that unless its absolutely neccessary because hes is a utter clown with the ball at his feet as you can see from his weak punt out to an Athletico player.
Hes an unbelieveable shot stopper but everything else is well below average.
The spine of the team has no aggression, no bite they are all to nicey nicey and thats starts with De Gea.
Hes an unbelieveable shot stopper but everything else is well below average.
The spine of the team has no aggression, no bite they are all to nicey nicey and thats starts with De Gea.
Luis Enrique has left him out of his squad for Spain.
Get him in as manager if it means we can finally move on from DDG.
A new goalkeeper can hardly be a priority given the huge holes in the rest of our team. Unless you think we can spend £300m this summer.
More than a little harsh to compare the three seasons before we signed him to the last ten years. We had Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra at their peaks along with a very good defensive player in Carrick. Who’s been our best centre back since those players left? Daley Blind?
Was this in reference to Maguire's random slaloming in the box when he passed it back for De Gea who tried booting it away, only to kick it 20 yards straight to an Aletico player? I saw that as a "Don't put me in positions that highlights my shortcomings"I found it hilarious how he gave the ball away in one instance, Atleti got a shot off and he started berating his defenders for his own feck up
If we have any genuine ambitions left as a club, we have to start getting absolutely ruthless with the squad we have. That starts with getting rid of de Gea. Good shot stopper but everything else about him is bang average. If we renew his contract it will only show we have learned absolutely nothing.
United fans the only who rate him
Very odd decision to drop him from the squad
There is growing number of us who have no illusion that he isn't anywhere near good enough. There isn't anything new that the Spain manager isn't his biggest fans.
Presume it's not a simple dropping of him. Raya and Sanchez in ahead of him, both been average to below average recently. Sanchez in particular has made a few mistakes at Brighton and is getting a bit of stick from the fans.
Never thought I'd see the day when Luis Enrique thought Brentford and Brighton have better keepers than us.
This is why he dropped him and it's easy to see, why..
And I hope it means we can rule him out as a manager too. Granted De Gea is arguably limited, but as I said above both those have been nowhere near De Gea recently. Sanchez distribution at Brighton has been woeful. If it's a judgement of Enrique's that they are performing better then any club considering him as manager should run a mile.
And his explanation shows a lack of awareness to me, because Robert Sanchez has been dreadful at that for Brighton in the last 9/10 games.
I'm sure Enrique has worked closely with his keepers in training to form his opinion.
We can rule him out but there's the ten Hag possibility.
Firstly, we don't have to spend any money to play a goalkeeper better suited to our defence than De Gea as there is already one at the club (whether that goalkeeper is good enough long term is a very different question). Secondly, if we did want to sign a goalkeeper, several have moved clubs in the past 2 years for very reasonable fees of £20m or less than would be considerable upgrades on De Gea. Third, there is no point wasting money on more defenders or a holding midfielder to continue with De Gea behind them because the same issues that have plagued us throughout his 12 years at the club will continue unless we intend to play deep defensive football.
Sanchez' distribution is light-years ahead of De Gea's.
In form, absolutely. But as I say his form in the last 9/10 games, no. Judging by Brighton fans elsewhere, it maybe to due a falling out in the squad between himself and Shane Duffy. But regardless, the drop in form and clangers he's been dropping should be alarming if picked on merit.
I should clarify, I'm no De Gea fan, and have made numerous calls for Dean Henderson to be given another chance, his voice and willingness to talk given our defence is currently in shambles. I don't think he should be the top paid goalkeeper in the world.
BUT, the idea Sanchez/Raya are currently ahead of De Gea on merit is not really fair. Would be equivalent to picking Marcus Rashford in the England squad ahead of Saka or Foden, because 'he was more suited to the style of play, and on his day he's great'.
I have no problem with De Gea being dropped per se, but on current form, Rob Sanchez is currently in a really sticky patch of form, and while De Gea's distribution at it's best is nowhere close to him, on balance he's much much better Overall right now, I'd rather have a goalkeeper who is great at stopping the ball going in, and patchy with distribution, than a goalkeeper patchy in both. Right now, Sanchez is more the the discrepancy than De Gea tbf, but still stick by my opinion.
Two points, firstly, it's not arguable that De Gea is limited, he's the worst goalkeeper in the league for claiming crosses and the joint worst for sweeping actions - two areas where Sanchez excels. Second, the tweet you're replying to is from November last year.
On a slightly different note, Sanchez and Raya are the top two goalkeepers in the league for passes made (not counting goal kicks) which suggests their defenders are more than happy with the standard of their distribution. It's also interesting to see both of them have a higher save % than De Gea too given he is supposedly some kind of shot shopping god.
Unai Simon only 24, good enough for a big move?
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