Ask yourself why he recieves so much criticism.
He‘s now gone from Spain bench to not even making Spain squad.
Trying to lay blame on Maguire ……FYI Maguire doesn’t play for Spain.
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He‘s now gone from Spain bench to not even making Spain squad.
Trying to lay blame on Maguire ……FYI Maguire doesn’t play for Spain.
Why are you making it about Spain when I was clearly directly responding to your criticism of his goals conceded in the league?
Trying to put this as simply as I can …..why do you think he’s been dropped from the Spanish squad?
Not being selected for Spain is a big slap in the face. It's not like they have elite options either. It's obviously because of his limitations as a keeper in the modern game.
I don't care about the Spanish NT and their needs. I responded to your criticism of his conceded goals record at united this season and you didn't address that.
37 games, 9 clean sheets and you’re OK with that?
Also, take a look at his penalty saving record.
Now answer why has he been dropped from the Spain squad?
You're not giving context to the overall culpability of the entire backline and it's contributions towards that diabolical record. Why was De Gea the first GK in five years to be named PL player of the month in January?
I've answered your question, I don't give a feck about Spain and their unique needs. Same goes for the English NT. I'll answer anything united related.
Any striker in the prem would fancy their chances against De Gea.
If you can’t see how much his form has declined over the last few years…..
Very insightful responses here. Not even worth the debate.
I can only guess you‘re his agent, bank manager or Mum.
A lot of extremes here, which is to be expected. If anyone thinks we are gonna suddenly be a much better side with a "modern" goalkeeper in goal while everything else stays the same will be in for an unpleasant surprise. Just getting, let's say, Ederson would probably have a net negative effect despite him being a fantastic keepers in a fair few aspects that De Gea is sorely lacking. He's perfect for City becuae of the way Guardiola has them playing. What we actually need is a manager that can get us to play a certain style of football (that might be Ragnick if he's given time, or someone else) so that we can be a better team in and out of possession. Look at Liverpool, Alisson was in every way the last piece of the puzzle, Klopp being the first and most important aspect.
Looking at this season I feel that they vast majority of chances we conceed is due to us not being a good side with or without the ball further up the field. I'm confident a more proactive keeper would have prevented some chances, but would also have conceeded other chances that De Gea saved.
That said, we probably do need to move on from De Gea soon enough, but getting the right outfield players to play more modern football should be highest priority for us (manager first of course though).
Also, the idea that all defenders that has played in front of De Gea has looked terrible while look decent or good to great for other sides is just not true at all. Plenty of our defenders has had great seasons while playing in front of De Gea - Smalling winning our player of the year in 2016, Maguire was generally very good last season (though that's long forgotten this season given how terrible he's been), Ferdinand was great in 12/13 if I remember correctly and even guys like Blind and Bailly has looked quality at times. To compare goals conceeded by the team when we had Ferdinand and Vidic in their prime (arguably the best central defensive pairing in Premiership history) to later years is just not interesting because of the gulf of difference in the overall side.
Looking at this season I feel that they vast majority of chances we conceed is due to us not being a good side with or without the ball further up the field. I'm confident a more proactive keeper would have prevented some chances, but would also have conceeded other chances that De Gea saved.
That said, we probably do need to move on from De Gea soon enough, but getting the right outfield players to play more modern football should be highest priority for us (manager first of course though).
Also, the idea that all defenders that has played in front of De Gea has looked terrible while look decent or good to great for other sides is just not true at all. Plenty of our defenders has had great seasons while playing in front of De Gea - Smalling winning our player of the year in 2016, Maguire was generally very good last season (though that's long forgotten this season given how terrible he's been), Ferdinand was great in 12/13 if I remember correctly and even guys like Blind and Bailly has looked quality at times. To compare goals conceeded by the team when we had Ferdinand and Vidic in their prime (arguably the best central defensive pairing in Premiership history) to later years is just not interesting because of the gulf of difference in the overall side.
I can see you're incapable of expanding on/giving context to your surface level opinions on De Gea. You've resorted to schoolboy theatrics and abandoned all efforts to have a meaningful debate. If you're of a certain age I guess that's to be expected but I'm not making assumptions and excuses for you
I get it…..you love him, whereas I don’t.
I keep hearing this but De Gea limitations have nothing to do with being keeper in the modern game he just lacks basics which would be problem in any era.
Nowdays, managers want keeper and back four who can play from the back especially in top team. DDG hasn’t been a no 1 in Spain national team for years and to even be dropped from the squad now shows managers or head coach actually prefers keepers who is better with their distribution than a keeper who is better with their shot stopper/reflex. We better don’t give DDG a new contract if we want to move forward.
It's a bit rich claiming there are a lot of extremes in a thread and then immediately going on to give the example of Ederson, who is just about the most extreme end of the spectrum possible in terms of goalkeeping. That said, I can't agree that you'd see a net negative impact if we were to theoretically replace De Gea with Ederson. There are basically no statistics that would back that up, Ederson deals with a far higher % of crosses into the box than De Gea (as does every goalkeeper in the league statistically) which is where a lot of our issues come from given we have a defence used to playing in front of a more commanding goalkeeper. He retains possession exceptionally both in terms of long and short passing, whereas we give up a lot of chances almost directly from De Gea giving possession away. Because he retains possession so well, his defenders are comfortable giving him the ball, as shown by Ederson making 300 passes more than De Gea so far. Once again turning to sweeping actions, Ederson averages 1 sweeping action a game (baring in mind he plays in a team that holds 60+% possession nearly every game) whereas De Gea averages one sweeping action every five matches. And if you wish to turn it towards the most basic of all, who stops the most shots faced, Ederson has stopped 73.4% of shots in the league this season against De Gea's 72.5% (interesting to note both David Raya and Robert Sanchez are above De Gea in all of these statistics too given the recent Spain squad announcement, indeed they are even well above Ederson and Alisson in some of them).
Also turning to the defenders named, and I'm not disagreeing with you, however it is important to note that Smalling and Bailly's best football in front of De Gea came under Mourinho where we played much deeper which suited De Gea's game. Blind was under LVG and Hoek was the goalkeeping coach at the time, and it was the only time in De Gea's United career where he was clearly being made to work on his technical game as he was improving massively at that stage. Unfortunately that went to pot at soon as Hoek left and they brought in his old Atletico coach to pretty much let him do whatever he wanted as he immediately regressed to being a goal-line keeper. As for Maguire I don't disagree in terms of last season but the vast majority of his best football was in front of Henderson.
Let’s just hope he isn’t given a new deal. Isn’t Onana on a free this summer?
Smart business?
Smart business?
I don't watch them but thought Onana was pretty average? Could be wrong, of course. One of our Dutch continent would know.
He looked crap in the AFCON. But was highly rated and wanted by us a few years ago.
This is the most puzzling aspect of DeGea. He is probably one of the best stop stoppers and his reaction is top class. His penalty saving is I would say extremely bad coaching. He keeps diving the wrong way. If he does not predetermine and dive the wrong way, he would save a lot more penalties than he concedes.
I don't want to absolve DDG of anything, but if you compare his passing when he first arrived to now it's almost night and day, I think that also comes down to coaching, I just feel he's somewhat been affected by our overall incompetence and bad coaching throughout the years, there are just some basics you'd think a GK in his thirties shouldn't be struggling to pin down but yet he does. I remember when he first arrived one of his knocks was his lack of an aerial presence and not only has he not improved but seems to be stuck even more in his line than he was in his early years
Spanish correspondent Sid Low provides more detail on de Gea's omission from the Spain squad.
"This week, the Spanish football statistician Alexis Tamayo offered up seven metrics by which to measure goalkeepers. In all seven, David Raya was ahead of David De Gea. Bringing them together to create a "score," the ranking read: Raya 85%, Sánchez 79%, Simón 55%, De Gea 54%. No, it's not just a number -- still less than an exact science, but there is something in that."
"Which metrics those were are significant, too. It's not just the saves (totals, per shot and per goal), but also catches, punches clear and challenges won. Some keepers prevent themselves from having to make the save by ending the move sooner; that simple idea of dominating the area matters. In Luis Enrique's vision, a goalkeeper can't just stay on his line, however brilliant they might be there. And then there was one other metric, which at the risk of becoming reductionist was probably the most important of all, way ahead of actual goalkeeping: passes."
"Luis Enrique is a coach for whom a goalkeeper has to be a player too, someone who must make saves, but must start moves too. It's no longer such a revolutionary idea, of course, and he is hardly unique, but for him it is absolutely non-negotiable."
"The goalkeeper is not there just to save it, at least with Luis Enrique," Unai Simón told El País in a fascinating interview. "You have to find the free man, which is often me, and if the opponents come to press me that means there's someone else unmarked. It can look risky, but it's studied and worked upon. Are you scared to have the ball? You shouldn't be because that's how we play. If it goes wrong sometimes, no problem because you have to take risks. Luis Enrique has made me and the team see that."
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/spa...ingbut-luis-enrique-has-a-method?platform=amp
"This week, the Spanish football statistician Alexis Tamayo offered up seven metrics by which to measure goalkeepers. In all seven, David Raya was ahead of David De Gea. Bringing them together to create a "score," the ranking read: Raya 85%, Sánchez 79%, Simón 55%, De Gea 54%. No, it's not just a number -- still less than an exact science, but there is something in that."
"Which metrics those were are significant, too. It's not just the saves (totals, per shot and per goal), but also catches, punches clear and challenges won. Some keepers prevent themselves from having to make the save by ending the move sooner; that simple idea of dominating the area matters. In Luis Enrique's vision, a goalkeeper can't just stay on his line, however brilliant they might be there. And then there was one other metric, which at the risk of becoming reductionist was probably the most important of all, way ahead of actual goalkeeping: passes."
"Luis Enrique is a coach for whom a goalkeeper has to be a player too, someone who must make saves, but must start moves too. It's no longer such a revolutionary idea, of course, and he is hardly unique, but for him it is absolutely non-negotiable."
"The goalkeeper is not there just to save it, at least with Luis Enrique," Unai Simón told El País in a fascinating interview. "You have to find the free man, which is often me, and if the opponents come to press me that means there's someone else unmarked. It can look risky, but it's studied and worked upon. Are you scared to have the ball? You shouldn't be because that's how we play. If it goes wrong sometimes, no problem because you have to take risks. Luis Enrique has made me and the team see that."
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/spa...ingbut-luis-enrique-has-a-method?platform=amp
And some don't think he's a big problem, we effectively relegate the team to be playing with a man short every time he's starting.
Exactly what we've been saying in this thread. Tbh I'm not sure you could actually argue De Gea isn't a problem without willfully ignoring the things goalkeepers in top sides actually do. Given the way Enrique in particular plays, it's a no brainer to drop DDG.
Our club can't be unaware of it either. The only question really is whether fixing the goalkeeper position is an immediate priority or one that gets pushed back behind all the other problems and departures.
Interesting that Raya was ahead of Sanchez and Simon was so close to De Gea by their metrics, mind. Not what I would have guessed.
Set pieces is again something that puzzles me when we defend. If the keeper is in charge of his box he should be also be able to organize the defence anyway he wants. It seem with Ralf's arrival it may be changing as I remember Dalot clearing it off the line in a corner when he was covering for the far post. With DeGea he came to us as a young and upcoming keeper and not an established one like VDS or Schmeichel. So it could be bad coaching at United. Goal keeping coaching seems to be an art that is neglected in many clubs.
It's a friendly.. Relax.. he will get called up for the important games.
He is a “big problem” that has probably kept us in the premier league.
at this point, we have so much worries to think of other than de gea.
at this point, we have so much worries to think of other than de gea.
Kind of annoying the way this is presented as some sort of elite managerial insight from Enrique. This is basic stuff and something every club/manager should be all over when it comes to deciding if their keeper is good enough.
With the stories currently doing the rounds linking us to new keepers despite De Gea’s shot stopping stats being close to his best ever this season it does at least sound like the penny might have finally dropped. About fecking time.
Hahahaha
I wouldn’t be surprised if our number 1 is heading the same direction if Ten Hag is appointed, let alone Luis Enrique.
Im starring this like for a minute and wondering why I can't find DDG and wondering why this is even posted on this thread if there is not DDG in it, only just realised when I clicked that DDG was on the bottom.
Im starring this like for a minute and wondering why I can't find DDG and wondering why this is even posted on this thread if there is not DDG in it, only just realised when I clicked that DDG was on the bottom.
I missed that initially as well as he's so far down in the bottom that he doesn't show up in the preview version.
By far the best-paid goalkeeper in the world. He almost makes Kane and Salah's wages combined.
I really hope so.
The moment a manager comes in and changes our Goalkeeper gives me a bit of hope in trusting their tactics.
Leagues are won from the defence not the attack type of QUOTE which is why I think de Gea is a big flaw in our system.
We play a midfield of Fred and McTominay, but some of you worry about passing from the GK.
And his ability to collect crosses, make punches, come out of his line to allow the defenders play further up the pitch which then makes the midfielders play further up the pitch and then the forwards further up the pitch which can be useful for things like pressing.
The bolded part is one thing that I agree he does not doo often, which is a problem especially at set pieces. However to allow the defenders and midfielder to play further up, you need much more than a GK who's better on the ball. Things like proper system implemented, and of course much better players than Fred and McT. You have Real Madrid and Barcelona playing midfielder like Modric, Kroos, Pedri and De Jong, and than you have our midfield.
DDG should be replaced, when we sort out the other 5 positions in which we have absolute dross.
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