His kick saves come straight from ice hockey's "stand up" goaltending style. All of French Canada cries tears of joy when Dave plays.
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His kick saves come straight from ice hockey's "stand up" goaltending style. All of French Canada cries tears of joy when Dave plays.
I love this man. Give him whatever he wants.
I think the hand slowed him down but of course, his positioning was a bigger issue.
There are some posters who don't want to give him highest wage in the squad. Mental I tell you.
You save with the leg when the ball is close to you. Not when the shot is out by the post.
One of the best performances ever from a United player.
King David, De God.
Same, first 10/10 after err... a long time, likely my first 10 in this post-Ferguson era.
This. I saw the scenes as well. So touched
I'm still annoyed with his shit distribution in the first half. Dave you are a great GK, you don't have to smash the ball forward every time oppo team apply slight pressure on our defense.
Then what should he do? Even when defenders are under pressure, he should pass the ball to defenders (who are not even that good on the ball to beat players with dribble).
Trust himself and his teammates a little? Lindelof isn't bad with the ball on his feet.
And when I say "slight pressure" I mean "almost zero pressure", any modern GK and CB should be comfortable to build from the back in those situations. I thought it was instruction from Mourinho but now he's gone, Dave still has this bad habit and it's not like his kicks often find target or something.
I wanted to make a new thread on this. But it's better to just put this here.
David De Gea will probably remembered as the Bryan Robson of this generation. Different positions yes, but in terms of legacies eerily similar. Both absolute World Class monsters being the shining light in a distinctly average United team for a long time. We all worry about his future, but he has been at the club for 8 years already. And in all probability will complete a decade here. Fantastic servant for the club.
David De Gea will probably remembered as the Bryan Robson of this generation. Different positions yes, but in terms of legacies eerily similar. Both absolute World Class monsters being the shining light in a distinctly average United team for a long time. We all worry about his future, but he has been at the club for 8 years already. And in all probability will complete a decade here. Fantastic servant for the club.
He has to try because otherwise you’re just asking for the other team to keep building wave after wave of pressure and attack. It’s mindless to do that in the modern game.
Three is no point passing for the sake of it. Usually teams that follow playing from the back religiously pass the ball no matter what, ManUtd under any manager didn't follow that philosophy. Usually pass from the back, when under pressure go for long passes.
Unless we have a manager who insist to pass the ball no matter what (like Betis manager did), no point blaming De Gea for this. It's better to take safe option, especially against teams like Spurs who press aggressively and very high up the pitch. One mistake and momentum completely swings other side.
Well he trusts his players, that's why he passes the ball more often than not but that doesn't mean he should pass the ball when Spurs were higher up the pitch and our defenders were under pressure.
It takes time to build the team in that model and we are not even sure Ole wants that. He always talks about fast football, so for all we know his instructions was to bypass the press and take risk with long ball.
That is a very backwards way of looking at football and is a very outdated tactic.
In the modern game each pass back to keeper is an opportunity to reset and start another attack and each time you give up possession you’re basically giving the other opportunity a chance to mount an attack.
Unless you’re under extreme pressure as in every player in defence is marked and you’ve got opposition CF charging down at you then if there is a clear opportunity to pass out then you should take it. Every other elite side in Europe does it and the top two sides in England do it so why are we arguing otherwise when we have not even been a great side in many years?
Vds without any specific tactical instructions had already mastered playing out from the back but since he went we have been so poor in that regard and it is very easy to just employ high press against United and know full well you’ll get the ball back easily.
Ceding control of the game in the modern era is suicide and you can’t give teams like City blanket possession and let them dominate. We got away with it yesterday but put simply we will have to improve in that regard going forwards because if the idea is to become a progressive attacking and modern team we have to know how to play out from the back under pressure. The teams that have the best passing stats and pass it out from back tend to have the best defensive records so it is worth it to risk a few blunders in possession in order to get the better overall picture which means becoming a team that doesn’t give you much opportunity to mount attacks against them. If you have the ball you can’t concede goals - only Mourinho would argue otherwise.
In some situations I wonder why the defenders pass back to DDG. They know he will hit it long with relatively poor accuracy. Why pass him? Better to do that long pass from the fullback or centreback. They are higher up and some of them have better feet than DDG. Why put him in that situation? Sometimes it is necessary of course, but many times it is not necessary.
What you are saying is ideal scenario where we have Pep like manager, keep possession all the time. Like I said, no one knows what the instruction was. Playing out from back is more than just GK having good distribution. Whole team should be in sync, CBs should make angles and space to receive pass and then at the same time other team members should be making angles to receive pass when CBs are pressed.
It's more complex than "De Gea shouldn't hoof, he should trust his players".
You guys should be concerned that De Gea had to bail you out on so many occasions. Your outfield players are not protecting the box very well.
Bloody hell, you would think United have been playing this way for years (only been 3 weeks) and some expect our defenders to turn to prime Ramos' while playing from the back with spurs' pressing after 3 weeks . It was disappointing to see United hoof it but we did try to have three players back from goal kicks in the first half and they were marked by spurs players, unless people complaining are fine with jones having the ball at his feet near our goal while spurs players are marking him. Sad part is if we did do that despite the pressure all the people complaining would be complaining about why we didn't hoof it while spurs players marking our defenders during goal kicks.
Thank god we have Dave to save.
. It was disappointing to see United hoof it but we did try to have three players back from goal kicks in the first half and they were marked by spurs players, unless people complaining are fine with jones having the ball at his feet near our goal while spurs players are marking him. Sad part is if we did do that despite the pressure all the people complaining would be complaining about why we didn't hoof it while spurs players marking our defenders during goal kicks.Thank god we have Dave to save.
I remember one time Shaw was asking for ball and Dave just smashed it.. And yes, Shaw was annoyed by it too. I would not complain if Dave's distribution was good but it's not, certainly not yesterday.
Nope we were playing a slick attacking team in Spurs on a massive Wembley pitch. They would have got chances against anyone.
I think everyone in their Manchester and their dog know that our defence is absolutely shit (barring Lindelof of late). Young, Jones and Shaw were quite clearly poor yesterday, and would have shipped 3 or 4 if not for de God behind them.
We are concerned that our defence (and sometimes Matic ahead of them) is not protecting the box very well.
Get Koulibaly in, and we'll look more assured. A Liverpool fan should know best about how a top class CB can instantly transform a leaky defence.
I agree with the fact that you need the whole team in sync, my point is since Ole has arrived you can tell that the CB's are beginning to split more and when the ball is passed back, I have seen better movement from the CB's to get into space for DDG to pass out short. Final point is that regardless of instructions, it does not justify De Gea hoofing it into the crowd time and time again... even for a long ball side that would be unacceptable - at the very least he should be aiming for one of our players and doing so accurately.
Tbf he was trying to pick the player, when you drop so deep and have only 1 player vs several defenders it's hard to pick.
Overall I agree with what you are saying, my point is this game was different. When Ole talked about 'no stupid back and side passes' it was sort of obvious he wanted us to play direct balls as Spurs commits players to attack and we hit them on break. At least as per Pogba, Ole that was the game plan.
And we had some Spurs tit debate if he is WC or not
Only discussion to be had considering DDG is where he ranks among the GOATS of goalkeepers, not if he is WC or not.
Only discussion to be had considering DDG is where he ranks among the GOATS of goalkeepers, not if he is WC or not.
Glaston?And we had some Spurs tit debate if he is WC or not
Only discussion to be had considering DDG is where he ranks among the GOATS of goalkeepers, not if he is WC or not.
No, some newbie from Tulipland who poses as an Ajax fan, but actually couldn't be more obvious as a Spurs fan even if he wrote an essay about their new stadium and the world domination that will follow it's completion.
People in here criticising his distribution vs Spurs? Were they watching the same game as me? He found people in midfield excellently with kicks and throws and started two or three counter-attacking moves that way. I think people want to see him pass it to our full backs or centre halves all the time because its what Guardiola's teams do - we were set up to play on the counter attack against Spurs, not to dominate possession. Building from the back would have been the exact opposite to the desired result because it would allow Tottenham to get players behind the ball rather than drawing them onto us.
What is amazing is how many shots does he save with his feet. Some of the shots yesterday other keepers would have tried to save with their hands and probably would have been late to do it
I don’t think he gets enough credit for his saving ability with his legs, in fact I’ve heard analysis after united games where they act like it’s a criticism that he saves so many with his feet.
If anything goalkeepers should be looking at him as a blueprint of how to improve, because I’ve never seen a goalkeeper use all four limbs as successfully as he does.
Yes his distribution isn’t great and he’s not the best for playing from the back, but he’s miles ahead of any other goalkeeper in the world in my opinion.
Anybody remember when he first came to us and was being criticised for saving shots with his feet?
I feel sorry for him cos he should be competing for all trophies all the time. Im trying to imagine a top defence in front of him so that he only has to make one or two saves a match
Top performance.
I feel sorry for him cos he should be competing for all trophies all the time. Im trying to imagine a top defence in front of him so that he only has to make one or two saves a match
Top performance.
This. That can't and shouldn't be criticism. For many shots it's easier to save it with legs instead of throwing yourself to save it with hands.
Where are all the buffoons who argued fecking ederson is better
Indeed great skill set, remember his double save in the Arsenal game and Real Madrid. Oozes class
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