I wouldn't be worried about him.. He's shown that he has a strong character. Mistakes happen even to the best. But being in the top 2 goalkeepers in the world, you know that every decision will be heavily scrutinized. Also, I don't think de Gea feels he is as loved as Casillas. That must surely annoy him and force him to try harder than he needs to.
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I don't think that anyone can deny that Messi is a great player. The question is whether or not he's the best player on the planet.
Ronaldo was great in the 2006 World Cup, great in the 2016 Euros, and has consistently performed at a high level for many years in the Champions League.
Ronaldo will definitely be remembered as the best player of this generation. Anyone who denies this is living in a bubble.
Yup, this is great for us. Cesc was saying yesterday that the Spanish press were calling for him to be dropped. No doubt, he is the best keeper on the planet - right now, it's not even close. He's been incredible for us for four years such that it's fecking ridiculous that one mistake can cause such an outrage. These things happen. I hope he sees this as warning to stay here where he has the unconditional love of the United fans.
Yep, he makes mistakes. He is human, like the rest of us, and he will make mistakes every now and again, but he will still be way better than most. These frantic crusades after the perfect players are just delusional. I bet we'll find just as many mistakes with most of the GOATs in football.
Messi took a shit penalty yesterday.
I don’t want to turn this into a Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
All I will say is that Neuer has achieved way more than DDG at the highest level. If DDG actually wants to be compared to Neuer, winning the World Cup would be a good start.
As it stands, DDG is much closer to Oblak than he is to Neuer.
Always find using trophies as a bar unfair as it is a team effort not an individual.
For me DDG is a better keeper than Neuer and I would love to have seen Neuer have to contend with a defence like ours since 2013.
There are tons of players who have plenty of medals despite being shite.
I was just kidding mate, chill.
Easy peasy. You can watch Schalke matches when he was playing for them.
There is no doubt that Neuer has achieved far more than De Gea and has a far greater legacy. De Gea has been brilliant ... in EPL. Neuer has been brilliant in Bundesliga, UCL and for Germany (in World Cup). Until De Gea managed to do the same in UCL and at least one of World Cup or Euros, he won't be in Neuer's level in eyes of anyone bar United fans.
To be considered the best, you need to perform in the highest competitions.
He is very confused if he expects a pat on the back of the press,which on the other hand did a campaign two years ago to leave Casillas on the bench.
If he wants to be loved he should stop asking and start doing what Iker did with Spain, miraculous saves and penalties.
Hopefully we will see the good version against Iran.
If he wants to be loved he should stop asking and start doing what Iker did with Spain, miraculous saves and penalties.
Hopefully we will see the good version against Iran.
The German fans on here would probably have more of an insight, but how influential was Neuer for Schalke? They finished 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 2nd and 14th in the five seasons he was a starter as well as winning the DFB Pokal cup. We've seen first hand how good De Gea has been - utterly sensational in 14/15 and 15/16 and was the reason we made the CL under van Gaal and was important yet again this season. Can Schalke or Bayern attribute some of their success to their goalkeeper?
I could of sworn Casillas was making mistake after mistake towards the end of his career yet somehow managed to keep De Gea out of the team around 2014-16? Although that might have been because of the support from his team rather than the press.
He had a bad time but also a lot of lack of respect after all he won. It was striking that while Buffon was respected in Italy Casillas was buried in Spain ( that's what Buffon said).
His problem is as well the one of Cesc, Bellerín, Mata, J.Martínez,Morata or substitutes like Monreal or Azpilicueta. It seems that they have to prove a bit more,a extra, to be respected if they don't play in Spain(with exceptions)
If DDG were German, Germany would probably win the same trophies - the same for Spain if they had Neuer, or lack there of. You can’t really argue against it, being the GK is way different than let’s say Ronaldo or Messi - both of these keepers are great. Put Karius in there and Germany would most likely not win any trophies. Germany won because they had a great side, not just the keeper. Likewise for Spain, they have struggled a bit after having a great generation, it’s just how it is.
Judging a player based on what they've won is seriously flawed. If De Gea was playing for Real Madrid he'd have won 3 CL's in the last 3 seasons. If he was playing for Barcelona he'd have won multiple titles. If Alan Shearer had played for United he'd have won multiple titles. The list of great players to have not won a lot goes on. These players can't win trophies single handed, they need to be part of a good team.
Yes but he now plays for Spain so has no excuse. His performances for Spain have been below his usual standards, so you can argue that he isn't as close to Neuer as people make out. Then you see him talk about not being supported etc.
Oblak is seriously underrated, I think he was actually better than DDG this season, not that I think he is the better keeper
Good point.
Yep
It's not so much about Neuer just being in a WC winning team, it's his contribution to that team and its successes. The overall performance level and influence on their tactical setup. His style is highly beneficial for a possession team playing with a high line, and he has delivered the goods when it mattered.
To be regarded as roughly his equal, De Gea needs to impose himself on Spain's team in a similar way. Atm moment he's unfortunately doing the opposite, but I hope he'll turn it around. A general disadvantage is his more passive goalkeeping style, but he has other abilities to play an excellent role.
Not really, it has always been like that.
And well, it is not judging only on winning, but also performing. De Gea has shown nothing in UCL bar that first match against Real Madrid in 2013, and has been mostly a disappointment for Spain in both Euros and this World Cup so far. Players legacy has always been judged based on the main competitions (international football and UCL).
Sadly, I agree with this. He's not in Manchester where he gets unconditional support. He has to earn it with Spain. I think it was ill advised for him to state his feelings so publicly. For me that made it worse. Now if he has another bad game, the pressure will become unbearable.
He should just put his head down and get on with it. He knows what he's capable of and should get help dealing with his anxiety playing for Spain.
I really hope he'll come good for the national team though. It would be a shame if it didn't work out as he's an undoubted great goal keeper.
He is underrated but he isnt close to DDG . This season DDG was his usual self bailing us out again and again with Jones and Smalling running things riot in front of him while Oblak played with arguably the best club defense in Europe. DDG makes one mistake every 3 years ish for Utd and plays behind very rotated defense. What he is not getting with the Spanish NT is the love and respect he gets at Utd. But Oblak isnt DDG level yet .
I'd argue he made unusually more errors than usual for United this past season and also didn't command his box well at times, which is why I rated Oblak higher this past season.
DDG is not a commanding keeper not even close so Oblak is more commanding. But DDG is the best keeper in the PL and has been for years and Oblak plays with very very solid unit in front of him something DDG could only imagine how that works .
The Caf is a strange place.
Can you define commanding the box?
It seems to be a lazy phrase thrown out there with no meaning behind it.
David catches the ball as well as anyone, nobody bullies him when he clears the ball at corners etc.
Does he have to shout? Argue with Smalling?
Commanding the box is only half to do with what he does with the ball. It's just as much about how he organises the defence in front of him. DDG rarely seems to tell them where to be and what to do unlike some keepers.
Does he have to? We have the beat defensive record over the last 3 odd years, what's to organise if we're set up correctly anyway?
Its just looking for something to criticise him with. Valdes and Casillas were the best two keepers in Spain yet they never roared at their defenders for the cameras.
Courtois looked great for Atletico to the point he was praised as being better than DDG yet he comes to a more direct league and David is doing laps around him.
That's the exact same scenario we are seeing with Oblack, it's like people do not learn.
Basically I am talking about a few times especially this season we have conceded goals from crosses where DDG should have really come and collected.
These are only minor points though, I think this season he was below his usually impeccably high standards, which still put him higher than most.
You should see in my post I said DDG is the better keeper, I just rated Oblaks performances higher this season, mainly because of DDG errors this season which are unusual for him
He doesn't have to do it, but it would certainly make him a better keeper if he did. The great keepers, and i mean the true greats here, always had control of the defenders in front of them.
Saved by VAR & linesman today.
Heh? That was from close range. And It was offside anyway, how was he saved?
Is it just me or does he look like a skinny beanpole again?
This. All he had to do was to command his 6 yards' box aeriallywhich he duly did all night long. The 'goal' was too close and pacy to be seen as a mistake.
And through a shit ton of players, only and idiot with an agenda would claim it was a mistake
What did he do wrong?
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