If you were going to hazard a guess at where a young keeper might be weak most would probably say crosses and making his presence felt, these are the areas De Gea needs to improve.....
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If you were going to hazard a guess at where a young keeper might be weak most would probably say crosses and making his presence felt, these are the areas De Gea needs to improve.....
and its in the United tradition and culture to allow young players to play and make mistakes while they learn without demanding their head after less than half a year.
People judging based on this short time, with his young age and physical weakness, the fact he's just moved here and can't speak the language etc need to get their heads examined. Try watching his performances for Athletico and Spain at youth levels to get a more full understanding of his level.
Eh...
I've asked you to name the young keepers your on about.
Overall what are you saying? Making 1 type of mistake is ok but another isn't? What type of mistakes would you be happy for him to be making then?
Would you think the sort of mistake that say VDS made against West Brom would be ok?
I dont agree with that, if theres one thing that's impressed me about De Gea this season it's been his attitude and mentality, which has been excellent for such a young player. Given the treatment by the media at the start of the season who seemed determined to make him out as shit and pick up on any mistakes he made, his confidence and self belief has been totally commendable. Theres many players who would have had there confidence shattered after the games against City in the charity shield and West Brom, as he was being painted as a bit of a flop already. Even amongst United fans some were questioning his ability and Fergies decision to buy him.
If he was in any way a confidence player then it would have shown in the following weeks, but it didn't. He came back and put in some good performances, the made a few more mistakes, but carried on regardless and generally looked impressive. He's nowhere near to being a confidence player in my opinion, in contrast he seems pretty oblivious so criticism and gets on with playing football.
The mistakes he's made aren't the result of a lack of confidence, they just seem to be happening due to him being a young and currently inconsistent player. In the same way Jones has made a few mistakes as a young player, they've both made themselves available for the next game and tried to do better, which shows self belief.
I also think it's telling that Fergie didn't drop De Gea when he was making mistakes, especially as there was a ready made substitute in Lindegaard. If he was any sort of confidence player and Fergie thought it could impact his performances, then he would have sat him out for a few games.
Pretty much on the money, add to everything you've said that he's still made more saves than anyone else too.
Well I watched him with interest in La Liga and for me he has a lot of ability, he was my personal first choice to replace VDS. Also these moments suggest he has talent (Warning:Loads of GIF's):
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I already named them one or two posts ago.
That is exactly what I am saying to be honest. As a goalkeeper, particularly coming from the Spanish league to the English Premier League (as stated before) it is totally understandable that he will not be used to the physical side of our game, and also perfectly acceptable to make a few physicality related mistakes.
Equally so, he is playing with a new defence, so I would say it's also acceptable to make communication-based/familiarity mistakes (i.e. waiting for a defender to clear the ball when the defender is waiting for him to receive the ball).
These are familiar problems which do not really question his ability, and really questions his capacity to adapt, and also things I think are unfair to judge him on already, as he's only been here for one season which is no doubt not enough time to fully adapt.
My concerns lie in other, purely goalkeeper skill based mistakes, such as positioning between the sticks and decision making. Mistakes that translate to any league, with any defence, for all goalkeepers. With this type of mistake I don't see that he will definitely improve or adapt. I hope I make more sense now, and I'm happy to agree to disagree.
I don't particularly remember this mistake, but I hope I've explained my stance better.
P.s GET THE feck IN SUNDERLAND!
Spoilered it now, my bad.
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You got away with it you blundering feck
Can't agree with that mate.
His first mistake was against City in the community shield which we came back from.
Next error was the game against West Brom which we still managed to win.
This is the only error so far which has cost us any points so far so he's been fairly lucky in that regard.
I'm still undecided on how we should go about the goalkeeping department, all I know is that I would prefer it if we just stuck with one keeper for the remainder of the Premier League, it's not doing De Gea any favours being in and out of the team. Lindegard is coping with it better.
No he didn't. We're a point worse off as a result. Buffoon.
I dont think he's positionally bad at all, if he was I dont think he'd have the sort of shot stopping stats that he does.
I totally agree that his decision making is a problem, probably his biggest but I'm not sure why you think that wont improve as he gets used to the league, improves his communication, gets to know the players in front of him.
I dont think its any co-incidence that we saw him flapping yesterday when he had a makeshift defence in front of him. Had Vidic / Rio been there I dont think there would have been as much of a feck up.
That's because he's the underdog I guess - he's got nothing to lose and is under no pressure whereas DDG is under considerably more.
I still think SAF has to give Lindegaard the odd game because otherwise should De Gea get injured we'll have a goalkeeper with literally feck all experience. It's important to have a substitute with at least a few games under their belt.
Pogue mate, Sunderland won 1-0.
Buffoon moment of the year so far.
Pogue, you have truly mugged yourself off son.
Hey, I don't doubt he has some qualities as a keeper. His reflexes are good, his diving is pretty good and his delivery is sublime, also not denying he was excellent in Spain or he hasn't had his good moments this season, just some separate concerns of mine.
He's right. We would have been a point ahead of city had he not fecked up.
DDG seemed like he missed both aggression and athleticism for the third goal
He has some weaknesses but it's to be expected at 21, he's still adapting to the country too, Wojech and Hart had time to develop and play in the lower leagues here which will have helped them from crosses and helped them learn how to command an area.
True, difficult to tell if he intended it that way though or perhaps we're all giddy after Sunderland's late goal.
I would let one play in the cup games (which hopefully there will be plenty) and let one in the league. Rotation does have it's advantages of course like you mentioned but I think it's about time we settled with one in the league where it matters most. Don't ask me what keeper though, Lindegaard is playing better at the moment but De Gea has shown what a quality keeper he can potentially be.
The second part of the season is when we'll need to kick it up a gear, we know that we have 2 quality keepers now so it's just a case of sticking with one.
All this talk of buffoons and keepers is reminding me of Buffon...
I was referring more to when he started, the nerves of starting in a new league and looking a bit unsure in front of an alien team (completely understandable, but I think you could see he was a bit unsure). This continued for a few games and we all saw teams trying to target his weak areas, plus the media went after him.
Obviously he moved on from this after a few weeks, but I think that's because it would have been worked on seriously behind the scenes. As for his natural disposition, I think he is not someone that is particularly self-assured, as you can see him looking a bit edgy sometimes in the way he shares his reactions (both positive and negative) with those around him.
Equally, I think his confidence yesterday was not great. He seemed to have lost the presence he'd developed previously. Could be just an off day, but in my view it could well be linked to having had a few games on the sideline and having lost a bit of assurance from regularly being between the sticks.
You're all giddy. Pretty natural to forget we could have actually gained on city when they didn't gain on us despite being expected to.
You flap at crosses when you are unsure when to come or stay and get caught haflway. In the two cases against hanley he was right to come for it but in both instances he failed to get the ball.
I dont think you can use that as an excuse for the mistakes yesterday - blaming a makeshift defence.
I know you're not the sharpest copper on the beat but come on. What does today's result have to do with the point we would have picked up yesterday had De Gea not fecked up?
Christ, quite a few fickle ones over here. Young keeper. 1st season at England. Will always struggle with the physicality, its totally different from what goes on in spain. he'l get better with time but its by playing that he'l improve. not by being on the bench.
His potential is there to be seen. Has been very good this season although he has made a few errors. Needs to work on his crosses but at 21, he has time and lots of it on his side.
His potential is there to be seen. Has been very good this season although he has made a few errors. Needs to work on his crosses but at 21, he has time and lots of it on his side.
To be honest there were a lot of individual errors yesterday, harsh to apportion blame just to De Gea we didn't deserve anything yesterday and City were unlucky today.
Pogue mate, Sunderland won 1-0.
Is it not the case that we'd have got a point for drawing without the error?
You named two. One is playing in his 5th season as a nr. 1 PL gk. The other made lots of mistakes but you excused them as being different. Neither goalkeeper have you watched the same as you watch DDG.
How was Joe Hart his first 3 seasons in the PL?
Acknowledged above, I was giddy, I should know better than to doubt Pogue.
Or Carrick or Berbatov.
I'm not really using it as an excuse he fecked up on their 3rd goal, he should have got it.
That said I do think with a better defence in front of him he's more confident.
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