David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

Status
Not open for further replies.
Cold_Boy said:
The thing is no one should be suggesting he is shit or anything.He is potentially our number 1.

What everyone is saying is that he is not ready to be our number right now and Lingegaard has been quite better than him.

DDG is currently one of the best shot stoppers in the league but his inconfident performance have lead to us losing quite a few points this season and which in turn mean the title.
Click to expand...

What other league games has he cost us points in may i ask?
 
I would say Phil Jones has cost us nearly as many goals this season. Young players make mistakes. The really good ones get through it quicker than others. For the most part that's what DDG has looked like doing.
 
He made a mistake, everyone should have been aware that there'd be a few of those this season. If he makes more in the coming weeks, by all means panic stations. Till then, sit down

Actually come to think of it with the every changing defence in front of him, made up of wingers, midfielders and out of form fullbacks its a wonder he hasnt made more mistakes this season.
 
he needs to beef up a bit - otherwise he ll still get pushed around too easily.
On current form, Lindegaard should be no. 1.

Mind you, i m not saying that ddg is shit, just he s not ready yet
 
Something tells me Fergie will still pursue with De Gea. The man's stubborn and I dont think that's about to change. I wouldn't be surprised if David is in goal against Newcastle. However, if Lindegaard does get the start, I wont be surprised either. Something's gotta give
 
Edmeiste said:
Something tells me Fergie will still pursue with De Gea. The man's stubborn and I dont think that's about to change. I wouldn't be surprised if David is in goal against Newcastle. However, if Lindegaard does get the start, I wont be surprised either. Something's gotta give
Click to expand...

So he should. What's the alternative? Cast him aside? I can't see that doing him much good.

That's the first time a mistake has directly lead to us conceeding points.

I think De Gea should start on Wednesday then maybe consider Lindegaard for the City game.
 
He as to learn to catch balls from crosses.Watching the third goal he tried to punch it.
 
Drifter said:
He as to learn to catch balls from crosses.Watching the third goal he tried to punch it.
Click to expand...

Can't blame him for trying to punch that particular one if you ask me. In general I agree though but will say he's probably been taught to punch all through his football education.
 
I wonder if Fergie would have signed De Gea if he had the benefit of hindsight with regards to how well Lindegaard settled in.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Glad you said that. I totally agree.

Was thinking today how I'm looking forward to the moment I see him next season and notice he's hit the gym pre-season. Hopefully.
Click to expand...

He's got very narrow clavicles, so I can't see him becoming a physical beast, but I'm sure he could develop more upperbody strength. I think his lack of physical presence is the reason why he struggles to collect crosses when under pressure. Just look at his physique when compared to say...Rio, there's a huge difference in upper body size despite Rio being a pretty lean himself.
 
kps88 said:
I wonder if Fergie would have signed De Gea if he had the benefit of hindsight with regards to how well Lindegaard settled in.
Click to expand...

Not sure if serious, but yes he still would sign him
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
He's got very narrow clavicles, so I can't see him becoming physical beast, but I'm sure he could develop more upperbody strength. I think his lack of physical presence was the reason why he struggles to collect crosses when under pressure. Just look at his physique when compared to say...Rio, there's a huge difference in upper body size despite Rio being a pretty lean himself.
Click to expand...

I'm surprised it's not an issue for diving saves with him - not much on him to cushion the impact.
 
Brophs said:
I would say Phil Jones has cost us nearly as many goals this season. Young players make mistakes. The really good ones get through it quicker than others. For the most part that's what DDG has looked like doing.
Click to expand...

You make an interesting point.

I've thought the defence lacks composure when Jones plays, and generally put that down to his all action style. I'm not into statistics but it would be interesting to find out how many goals have been conceded whilst Jones has been deployed as a centre back.
 
He's definitely lacking a physical presence. I've also noticed he doesn't go up with one knee bent towards the attacker to both protect protect himself and gain an advantage.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I'm surprised it's not an issue for diving saves with him - not much on him to cushion the impact.
Click to expand...

Nah, I don't think that's a major issue, VDS had a broad frame but he was very thin - however his size gave him physical presence - I don't recall players bullying him on crosses. I think it's probably a combination of a few things, age, new culture, massive club, playing behind an unsettled back four and physical stature. But it's a tough one for Fergie...does he leave him out? what will that do to his confidence? VDS was a truly great keeper...replacing him was never going to be easy.
 
It seems its the usual to and fro on here as regards to DDG.

When he started for us I first mentioned DDG was not jumping high enough and reaching with his arms when coming for crosses but then in recent games he had addressed this and was jumping higher and reaching less and commanding his area. Yesterday it seemed his feet were stuck in the sand on more than 2 occassions he didnt jump early and high leaving the defender space to make his jump.

The physical aspect issue is a bit of a red herring - DDG is still about the size of a centreback so why does he need to be a Jaap Stam / Schmeichel -esque freak?

I dont think there is any technical problems in his play that cannot be overcome as he has shown he is develping his game.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
That's just inexperience, surely.
Click to expand...

As well as the style of keeping he's been brought up with, I said a few games ago he needs to cut out the punching a bit. I think it was after the Wolves game, however it's the style they use in the Continent and it will take him a while to adapt and kind of unlearn some of the stuff he's used to. It's to be expected really.
 
I think the potential is clearly there, thought he was a good keeper at Athletico and don't think he's been terrible here either, outside of his gaffes (which are obviously an important part of goalkeeping though).

You'll likely get what we got from the media with Gomes now. Once the impression is set, they take a long time and something slapping them in the face before they are willing to change it. Gomes was outstanding in his second season, yet received little credit and any tiny mistake or punch rather than catch was immediately flagged up. De Gea has stuck in their minds in a similar manner imo, even though I actually don't think he's been that bad.

Lindegaard should be number one for the meantime though, shield him for a bit, get your gk coach working on him and bulk him up.
 
It's all kneejerk regarding De Gea so far, people keep harping on Lindegaard's clean sheets so far in the league, but we have to remember that Lindegaard has been playing against the weaker teams so far.

Yesterday's game was hard for any keeper in the world, let alone a young one in his first season with a new club in a new country. No keeper in the world would have kept a clean sheet for us yesterday, Yakubu and Samba would have given Rio and Vidic a hard time marking them, let alone Carrick and Berbatov, 2 players hardly known for being physically imposing.
 
I think we're finally seeing the impatience a lot of our fans have with inexperienced goalkeepers. Was always coming to be honest
 
cj4_elmo said:
Yesterday's game was hard for any keeper in the world, let alone a young one in his first season with a new club in a new country.
Click to expand...

Now let's not exaggerate here. He couldn't do anything about the first two goals, but handle 2-3 crosses better (There were only two, I think, which caused him trouble) and you're fine, no complaints. A lot of keepers would find the match fraustrating, but not hard.
 
Amir said:
Now let's not exaggerate here. He couldn't do anything about the first two goals, but handle 2-3 crosses better (There were only two, I think, which caused him trouble) and you're fine, no complaints. A lot of keepers would find the match fraustrating, but not hard.
Click to expand...

I would like to see any keeper play a game with a backline which has hardly played together before, with only 2 actual defenders playing in their proper position and not being able to communicate with them in the same language.

De Gea did well considering the situation.
 
cj4_elmo said:
I would like to see any keeper play a game with a backline which has hardly played together before, with only 2 actual defenders playing in their proper position and not being able to communicate with them in the same language.

De Gea did well considering the situation.
Click to expand...

Sorry mate De Gea had little to do yesterday and did it poorly. He will come back stronger no doubt, I think he'll be top drawer eventually but lets not be blinded here.
 
cj4_elmo, I would have agreed if we were bombarded with long and high balls all match. We weren't. They barely threatened. De Gea had very little work to do. And a lot of the little work he had to do, he failed with.

Top talent, went a few steps forward over the last few months. Yesterday was a big step back. He'll get it together. I've no worries about this lad.
 
Amir said:
Top talent, went a few steps forward over the last few months. Yesterday was a big step back. He'll get it together. I've no worries about this lad.
Click to expand...

I agree with all this.

I just think for a club of United's ambition we've done things a rather eccentric way. Getting him last year and allowing him to adjust while playing second fiddle to VdS would have made a lot more sense to me.

I've got a horrible feeling that what we're left with is 2 keepers who in training are being taken apart and put back together again by Eric Steele, which is a peculiarly vulnerable state for a club like United to be in. If we were starting that process with just one it would be fine - staggering it, if you like - but two at the same time seems excessive.
 
Ekeke said:
I think we're finally seeing the impatience a lot of our fans have with inexperienced goalkeepers. Was always coming to be honest
Click to expand...

It's typically knee jerk. Football fans traditionally tend to be very short term judges. He'll hardly have improved dramatically and yet a good game against Newcastle and we'll likely be hailing De Gea as a great signing.
 
Sultan said:
It's typically knee jerk. Football fans traditionally tend to be very short term judges. He'll hardly have improved dramatically and yet a good game against Newcastle and we'll likely be hailing De Gea as a great signing.
Click to expand...

Well that would be knee jerk too. My worries are more long term - having a keeper we can absolutely rely on throughout the next 6 months during the run in. I hope DDG proves my worries are unfounded...
 
Sultan said:
It's typically knee jerk. Football fans traditionally tend to be very short term judges. He'll hardly have improved dramatically and yet a good game against Newcastle and we'll likely be hailing De Gea as a great signing.
Click to expand...
They just seem to manifest after poor performances, but concerns are always there. I was saying the same things a few weeks back, in fact I thought we should've tried more to've kept VDS.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I've got a horrible feeling that what we're left with is 2 keepers who in training are being taken apart and put back together again by Eric Steele, which is a peculiarly vulnerable state for a club like United to be in. If we were starting that process with just one it would be fine - staggering it, if you like - but two at the same time seems excessive.
Click to expand...

Not sure at what stage of the 'taking his game apart and putting is back together again' we are with Lindegaard. We've had him for a few more months. Of course, so it's possible we're done with that. it was always easier with him because he wasn't a regular. De Gea is so there's always a bigger risk.
 
He's allowed to use his hands and still got beaten To the high ball. Either he can't jump or his timings way off
 
friendlytramp said:
He's allowed to use his hands and still got beaten To the high ball. Either he can't jump or his timings way off
Click to expand...

He's not the first keeper to get beaten in the air by someone's head and he won't be the last.
 
cw1984 said:
He's not the first keeper to get beaten in the air by someone's head and he won't be the last.
Click to expand...

It's not the first time he's been beaten in the air by someone's head and I doubt it will be the last. Either he can't jump or his timings way off.
 
Commadus said:
When he started for us I first mentioned DDG was not jumping high enough and reaching with his arms when coming for crosses but then in recent games he had addressed this and was jumping higher and reaching less and commanding his area. Yesterday it seemed his feet were stuck in the sand on more than 2 occassions he didnt jump early and high leaving the defender space to make his jump.
Click to expand...

Great post.

Against Blackburn he was making the same mistakes on crosses that he was in the early matches of the season. Not jumping properly and not protecting himself while jumping. Basically, trying to do everything with his arms instead of using his body to get to the ball properly.

After the first month or so of the season he started getting better at this, so I have no doubt he'll continue to improve. He just had a little relapse in this match (maybe because he hadn't played the last few games?).
 
friendlytramp said:
It's not the first time he's been beaten in the air by someone's head and I doubt it will be the last. Either he can't jump or his timings way off.
Click to expand...

I personally think he needs to bulk up...he still has quite a slender frame for a goal keeper.

Take schmeichel for example...not much taller than de gea, but quite imposing physically because of his built. You could just imagine him flying through the air towards the ball after a cross to aggresively punch the ball out of his area despite a crowd of players ahead of him.

With De Gea in the same scenario you just get the feeling that he'll jump towards the ball, knock into an opposing player and fall backwards.

He has to fill out a bit more and be more physically imposing. Its only then he'd be able to bully opposition forwards - the great keepers have this one quality, which is to get to the ball no matter what, even if you have to barge your own players out of the way.

De Gea for me lacks this quality, though he has many others like his shot stopping ability. He just needs to spend more time in the gym instead of tesco, and be a keeper that the opposition strikers fear will clean them out the next time a ball is crossed in.
 
MadDogg said:
Great post.

Against Blackburn he was making the same mistakes on crosses that he was in the early matches of the season. Not jumping properly and not protecting himself while jumping. Basically, trying to do everything with his arms instead of using his body to get to the ball properly.

After the first month or so of the season he started getting better at this, so I have no doubt he'll continue to improve. He just had a little relapse in this match (maybe because he hadn't played the last few games?).
Click to expand...

My thoughts exactly. I thought he had addressed this issue.

One thing that gets repeated on here is he needs to bulk up. Its understandable at United we have been lucky to have freakish players like Shmeichel and Stam who were agile but huge as well and we seem to always compare subsequent players to our past greats.

DDG is big enough it's not NFL we are playing. Look at the first cross that Hanley beats him - DDG first moves a bit, re-adjusts and then when he makes an attempt Hanley alreadys has a run on him and has the space to jump into - space which DDG should have been occupying.

The other thing I noticed is DDG does jump too open - ie he should try to use his shoulder, knee or elbow more to protect himself and that he shouldnt jump chest on.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.