Schmeichel had dodgy games in his first season. Believe!
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Schmeichel had dodgy games in his first season. Believe!
He is only 20. He isn't good enough currently, but he was clearly purchased with an eye on the future.
I'm guessing United won't just pay £20,000,000 on a whim without doing their research, but at times it seems his positioning, his decision making & his performance during a corner-kick are not just a bit bad/naive, they seem truly awful (David Luiz/CB-esque). I'd say his best attributes are his reflexes and his delivery, and at 20 years old of course he can improve, but I'm not sure of his capacity to improve, and I don't see a way of how to gauge it, so it worries me but of course time will tell and I hope he does well.
When the chips are down, I also worry that he isn't huge enough, and that because he is Spanish he is unlikely to stay with us for an entire career, although those worries are kind of unfounded and come out of insecurities after a bad result!
When the chips are down, I also worry that he isn't huge enough, and that because he is Spanish he is unlikely to stay with us for an entire career, although those worries are kind of unfounded and come out of insecurities after a bad result!
Why is this season more important than any other?
Every keeper makes mistakes. United's goalkeepers just get analysed to a greater degree. Comes with the territory.
Don't you think Ferguson will be very reluctant to let City win the title over United?
I'd say the fact City have emerged as our main rivals this year - and are now possibly favourites - makes this season and our ability to be competitive very important.
City are only going to get stronger. They will win the title in the next fee years. Which is why we need to bed in the young players now so that we've got top young players there to put it up to them.
I don't see why City winning is a given. If we'd had more luck with injuries I think we'd have been strong favourites this year, with a squad that will improve.
I agree that bedding in good youngsters now is sound future planning but I just think being solely reliant on two very inexperienced keepers at the same time is odd decision making for a club like United when it could easily have been avoided.
Exactly, I think it's very harsh to say De Gea's not good enough at the moment, I'd agree with those who think he's not suited to the English game as of yet but for me we've seen enough of his talents already to know he's a good investment.
SAF would be reluctant to see any team win the title. Anyway, no one could have predicted City would have been in such fabulous form at the start of season. With all the injury issues I salute the club for such a fantastic start. We'd only be 3 points behind City if they win the game in hand.
I'm guessing United won't just pay £20,000,000 on a whim without doing their research, but at times it seems his positioning, his decision making & his performance during a corner-kick are not just a bit bad/naive, they seem truly awful (David Luiz/CB-esque). I'd say his best attributes are his reflexes and his delivery, and at 20 years old of course he can improve, but I'm not sure of his capacity to improve, and I don't see a way of how to gauge it, so it worries me but of course time will tell and I hope he does well.
When the chips are down, I also worry that he isn't huge enough, and that because he is Spanish he is unlikely to stay with us for an entire career, although those worries are kind of unfounded and come out of insecurities after a bad result!
Calm down mate you're getting your knickers all in a twist.
Come on, every season now is potentially SAF's last - there's no way he wants to stand down having just handed the balance of power to Manchester City. He'll want to fight like hell in the seasons he's got left - which is why I said this season is too important to have to spend so much energy bedding in a goalkeeper who has looked quite some distance out of his depth.
Don't we have more points with arguably a stronger league than we ever had at this time of the season with Smikes and VDS in goal?
You kind of contradict yourself there by describing him as a good investment but railing against those who say he's not good enough now. An investment suggests he'll show his worth in the future. You also admit he's 'not suited to the English game as of yet'...
If the post-Shmeicel era has told us anything, finding a keeper with the right temprament/ability for United is anything but "easily" done.
I said we could have 'easily' avoided a situation where our two frontline goalkeepers are both new to the Premier League. It leaves United in an oddly vulnerable state (which I'm sure will improve) that could have been avoided...
By quite some distance? I completely disagree with that, League wise I have the error today and the one against Brom, Basel wasn't his fault as it was just a instinctive reaction which unfortunately landed at a Basel player's feet, there was an error against Benfica too which was down to distribution rather than a keeping error. Other than that he's been very good, made some great saves and displayed a good strong mentality whilst showing noticeable improvement game by game. SAF's dillied around though whilst he built up momentum and today he looked unsure of himself.
Err that doesn't mean he's not a good keeper though does it? He is 21 years old and you're not going to get the finished article yet, also many people fail to factor in the backlines he's had in front of him. You can still be good and have a weakness but it's how you deal with that weakness. He's improved on crosses up to today which I attribute to the rotation. He's shown in La Liga that he's an excellent keeper who is more than good enough but he's not going to get the same protection as he would in Spain. He's adapting as you have acknowledged.
This is a valid point but I don't think the injuries at the back have helped at all, a lot of experience and leadership lost without Rio and Vidic.
Every pundit in the World reckon we have a future Spanish international.
Why do people keep saying he's 20? Why do they say he's 6'4"?
I have a bad feeling about this.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Do you think we would have been better off with Lindegaard in goal today?
Although not addressed to me I definitely think Lindegaard should have got the nod but hindsight has played a role in that, SAF's at fault for me, he's not allowing either of them to get into rhythm.
20 or 21 the key is Keepers don't peak until their 30's.
Doesn't that cast doubt onto who our Nr 1 is currently though?
Who would you play in our next game? Would you make someone the clear Nr 1 for the rest of the season?
Absolutely not!
De Gea is our number one. As long DDG is mentally strong (I'm not close to him to answer that question) and does not let this mistake affect his performance in the next game I'd keep him in goal.
I hope he has strong mental strength to cope with all this. No matter how talented he is, i fear he may be out of England in a couple of years if it continues like this
my wordI agree, I know it's still very much a learning experience for De Gea but bringing him in after 2 weeks of no football against Blackburn was a poor decision especially given all the injuries. Again hindsight may play a part in me saying this though
This will be a big learning experience for De Gea. His mentality will show me that he will come back stronger from this. In due time, he'll prove to be the number one. Whether Lindegaard should get a shout now is something that I cant decide on because I'm not completely sure what it would do to David.
On another note, he needs to grow his beard back!
On another note, he needs to grow his beard back!
He will be the best in the premiership within two seasons. He will be the best in the world within four seasons.
People need to have a little patience for fecks sakes.
Shite tactics and a shite team performance cost us the points today.
DDG could have done better for the third goal for sure but he certainly wasn't entirely responsible for the defeat.
People need to have a little patience for fecks sakes.
Shite tactics and a shite team performance cost us the points today.
DDG could have done better for the third goal for sure but he certainly wasn't entirely responsible for the defeat.
Big fan of his and he's a massive talent but he was exposed massively today - problem is, do we stick with a keeper who's our future but going to make costly errors or go with the 'steddie Eddie'?
I'm not sure myself but Fergie has to pick and stick with it - this constant 'chopping and changing' isn't helping anybody.
Also, kudos to Lindegaard - his attitude seems spot on....his celebration for today's equaliser was more of a fan's action than a player - even after he'd been 'dropped'.
I'm not sure myself but Fergie has to pick and stick with it - this constant 'chopping and changing' isn't helping anybody.
Also, kudos to Lindegaard - his attitude seems spot on....his celebration for today's equaliser was more of a fan's action than a player - even after he'd been 'dropped'.
Hey gareth, I think something that is also interesting is how it seemed that Ferguson played Lindegaard in a makeshift defense because of his command in English as well as his ability to organize the defense. Since De Gea is not fluent enough yet to do this, I feel it did play a part somewhat. It doesn't excuse his mistake but he was definitely up against it.
Usually when De Gea is in a confident mood he will at least bark some orders. I didn't see any indication of that and I find that alarming. There will be better days thank goodness.
Usually when De Gea is in a confident mood he will at least bark some orders. I didn't see any indication of that and I find that alarming. There will be better days thank goodness.
He shouldn't have been played in this game, simple as that. Give his current weaknesses - dealing with physicality, commanding the defenders (due to the language barrier) - this was a pretty poor game to bring him in for.
I'm of the opinion he'll still go on to be world class.
I'm of the opinion he'll still go on to be world class.
He's young, in a foreign land where the style of play is different. It'l take some time to get used to it. He's still been very good this season and saved our asses on numerous occasions. The main thing going for him is his mentality. Looks very assured and confident in his own ability. Should hold him in good stead for the future. He'l be a class act. I have absolutely no doubts about it. Have faith..
He's not going to learn how to deal with it from the bench.
Throwing him in behind our 918457th choice defence isn't going to help much either
Why not? He made a mistake, if he's mentally strong, he'l learn from it and become a better GK. On the long run, he's going to have to learn better how to deal with this if he's to become a top keeper in the premiership, no better way to learn than being out there in a match. Being a GK, there's no way to actively protect him against his weaknesses, if he doesnt improve, most teams will just dish it out to him whenever he plays.
At his age, it was always a case of going for someone who's good but will be fantastic for years to come as he gets better rather than going for a finished product. As it is, he's actually been better than i expected. Saved us more points than he's cost us.
In a nut shell.... this.
The thing is no one should be suggesting he is shit or anything.He is potentially our number 1.
What everyone is saying is that he is not ready to be our number right now and Lingegaard has been quite better than him.
DDG is currently one of the best shot stoppers in the league but his inconfident performance have lead to us losing quite a few points this season and which in turn mean the title.
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