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David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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yep thought exactly the same
Sadly, I tend to feel the same. Happy when de Gea gets through a game blunder-free (as he often does) but never sure when he will make a big mistake again.
A GK needs to be courageous and confident. But, courage is a must for a GK. Whether he makes a mistake is one thing. But, he lacked courage and commitment on the third goal. The striker should be afraid of him and not the other way around.
Puzzle you? Do you tjink gk do research on every team? No. They rarely do. This is just some stat some geek dug up just because. You dont even know the timespan of these penalties. night have been 4 years. means feck all. This isn't the knockout stages and he doesnt have a guy handing him a note before a shootout.
Nitpicking at its finest.
eh ? Don't follow you here. You didn't see the word 'Some' I assume ... I believe it was the first in the sentence.
Severed optic nerve ?
You've not posted on here in a while and when you do it's to have a dig at our 21 year old keeper who you obviously want to fail at the club just so you can say you "told us so". It's pathetic.
As I said, it wasn't a criticism, but yes, considering the Yak is their leading scorer and main threat I'd have thought our goal keeping coach might have done a bit of research on him, particularly given that Blackburn could well have been relying on a set piece, its not as if its something which would take a huge amount of time or effort.
If 90% of his pens go to the right I dont really think it matters how long it might be over.
I'm not even saying it would have made a difference, Yak has a fantastic conversion rate from the spot.... not a criticism, just an observation.
It was more the 'this forum has more clueless posters than anywhere else' bit I was referring to.
Lindegaard should play instead. De Gea's physique is shocking for a keeper.
If the goalkeeping coach hasn't researched the league's main penalty-takers I'd sack him. This isn't an amateur club.
This was actually the first time I've seen United play in quite a while. Nevertheless ....
And no I don't want him to fail ... I've never wanted any player to fail but I do realise the importance of recognizing when player is out of his depth or not right for a particular position or club. Football, like most sports is about confidence ... if you ruin it then it can sometimes take a long time to get it back.
I'll tell you what is pathetic mind, and that is some of the blind naivety displayed on this forum ... but then hey we're discussing football. I took a lot of childish stick on this subject so excuse me for coming across as a bit smug AT those who turned a blind eye.
At the end of the day it's Ferguson that needs to answer for the selections.
This.
You lot should read about how thoroughly researched Van Der Sar was going into the shoot out against Chelsea. We only won that shootout because VDS and one of the coaches saw the pattern.
I don't think anyone really doubts he has the ability to succeed but he simply isn't ready yet and hasn't looked close. Unfortunately the only way to improve him is to play him.
When we signed him I read a lot of posts along the lines of "He's young so we need to remember he will make mistakes." yet people don't seem to have that view when it happens.
Since the heat of the game has died down I would stick with him for the Newcastle game at least. If he's suffering then bring Lindegaard in for the city game.
When we signed him I read a lot of posts along the lines of "He's young so we need to remember he will make mistakes." yet people don't seem to have that view when it happens.
Since the heat of the game has died down I would stick with him for the Newcastle game at least. If he's suffering then bring Lindegaard in for the city game.
Not relevant in the slightest, but i haven't posted today and I just want to feel involved. I once saw Yakubu miss two penalties in a single game. That is all.
And almost everyone (apart from... Anelka) shot it to Edwin's left.
Sacking him is a bit too much. You're right about doing research on penalty takers though.
I remember that. During the penalty shootout, I actually didn't notice that pattern. That said, before Van der Sar played for United he never really spend much time on doing research on penalty takers and stuff. He thought penalties are like the lottery.
Eh? Of course keepers should research the sides a penalty-taker favours. I remember Foster saying the club used to give him an ipod before each game with a load of data on penalties.
Of course, not all keepers like to try and predict a side in advance. Some prefer to rely on their reactions. Which might be the case here.
This is what it boils down to. Our scouting team and goalkeeper coach have obviously seen him play for the Spanish under 21s and Atletico many times. He has only turned 21 and it seems like no matter what he does whether it be good or bad he cannot win. A lot of faith has been put into the lad by the team and the fans need to understand that as a young goalkeeper mistakes will come and weaknesses will be eradicated from his game as he matures.
Today's game hasn't changed my opinion of him whatsoever, i just don't think we should be rotating the keepers game after game. No other top team in the world would do that. He looked in fine form and then he gets dropped or whatever you want to call it. Errors are part and parcel of the game and it just so happens to be that when a goalkeeper makes one it is the most costly. We just have to support him because all the criticism he is receiving is quite unfair.
Y'know I must have watched that shootout about 20 times and I've never realised that Anelka was the only player to put it to Edwin's right.
You sure that wasn't just before the Carling Cup final shootout with Spurs? I'm not certain, but I thought that was the only time I heard about the ipod.
I think Anelka wanted to put in to Edwin's left, but after Van der Sar pointed to his left Anelka changed his mind.
Now it'll be interesting to see who Fergie selects for the next game at Newcastle. Stick with De Gea to assure him that he's still being trusted or give Lindegaard a run. If it was up to me, i would pick Lindegaard. You can be certain the away crowd will give De Gea stick everytime he makes a near mistake, that might shatter his confidence. Keep him out of the firing line for now i reckon
I thought so too
I do agree with Pogue though that the keepers should all be versed in penalty takers for each game. Otherwise what's the point in all the research that the coaches do.
Yeah, you could also notice that Anelka hadn't looked confident before he took this penalty.
So the rotation policy is to blame for De Gea's fundamental weakness on crosses? No, I'm not having that. More bollocks.
The 'silly rotation policy' is designed to give De Gea a break mentally and make sure that Lindegaard at least has some games under his belt if there comes a time when he's required to play regularly for a significant period. There's nothing silly about it.
You're right but unfortunately for him, SAF and United it's happened just too often, and bear in mind he's not playing for a shite team ... not a situation to be over-looked. Humility is not something that comes naturally to Ferguson but he needs to take the lad out of the firing line for now ... loan him out and let him develop.
The other option is that you build your defence around his qualities, which appear to be shot-stopping, though he does look a bit sketchy down low so I can foresee a problem right from the off. Bear with me I'll explain.
He's poor on crossing so you agree with defence/CHs that they take the cross/centre unless its blatantly obvious ... and let de Gea utilize his cat-like prowess to save everything else. Problem - he's not long enough and unless you use supporting post players other than the current midgets in Evra and either of the da Silva twins its a fail.
Obviously the dominant CHs method tends to mean that you generally lack quick ball-playing back men which increases the chances that they'll get turned allowing one-on-ones with the keeper. Difficult to judge yet but what I have seen low shots and Stevie Starfish blocks are not exactly his forte.
So err, where does that leave us ? Give the jersey to Lindegaard and see how it goes.
Yeah, I agree GCHQ.
But I also believe that while Lindegaard is in such fine feetle he should have continued as No1.
But I also believe that while Lindegaard is in such fine feetle he should have continued as No1.
... or get Gordon for f-all and hope he gets fit. 
Based on their form so far, Lindegaard seems the better option to start at the moment - De Gea is just a kid after all and has plenty of time to develop his talents
Oh, really. Well i guess Joe Hart's physique shocks you as well as the practically Identical. Do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that. At 21 and 6'4" and 181lbs to Joe Hart's 6'3" and 181 lbs at age 24 must mean Joe Hart's physical stature is also shocking. Or look at it this was Edwin Van der Sar was 6'5½" and 185lbs. Or Gianluigi Buffon at 6'3" and176 lbs. Enough said about the physiques. Next time do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that.
It was a marginal decision before today I think.
Oh, really. Well i guess Joe Hart's physique shocks you as well as the practically Identical. Do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that. At 21 and 6'4" and 181lbs to Joe Hart's 6'3" and 181 lbs at age 24 must mean Joe Hart's physical stature is also shocking. Or look at it this was Edwin Van der Sar was 6'5½" and 185lbs. Or Gianluigi Buffon at 6'3" and176 lbs. Enough said about the physiques. Next time do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that.
I dont agree with giggs-Beckhams "physique is shocking" comment. But no chance is DDG 6'4 is he? He doesnt even look 6'
Oh, really. Well i guess Joe Hart's physique shocks you as well as the practically Identical. Do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that. At 21 and 6'4" and 181lbs to Joe Hart's 6'3" and 181 lbs at age 24 must mean Joe Hart's physical stature is also shocking. Or look at it this was Edwin Van der Sar was 6'5½" and 185lbs. Or Gianluigi Buffon at 6'3" and176 lbs. Enough said about the physiques. Next time do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that.
Not really wanting to be confrontational or necessarily sticking up for the other poster but you've somehow managed to compare de Gea with some 'big' keepers irrespective of what the stats say. Err, I trust you've seen those other guys.
Oh, really. Well i guess Joe Hart's physique shocks you as well as the practically Identical. Do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that. At 21 and 6'4" and 181lbs to Joe Hart's 6'3" and 181 lbs at age 24 must mean Joe Hart's physical stature is also shocking. Or look at it this was Edwin Van der Sar was 6'5½" and 185lbs. Or Gianluigi Buffon at 6'3" and176 lbs. Enough said about the physiques. Next time do a bit of research would you before making nonsensical statements like that.
I didn't realise that. He's nearly as tall as Barthez.
He was suggesting that de Gea physique has something to do with his performance which is a complete load of nonsense. I'm never said de Gea is as good as the other three keepers (not a chance at this time) but it has absolutely nothing to do with his physique. I was merely pointing out the number of their GKs who have a 'shocking physique' by his standards. If you want to criticize de Gea don't be looking at his physical statue as the reason for his performances.
A few days ago Lindegaard said that since his arrival, our goalkeeping coach took his game apart and taught him the work from scratch. Maybe we're doing that with de Gea. Difference is Lindegaard spent most of his early months on the bench, while de Gea is playing.
We knew it would be a project with de Gea, and it is. I actually thought he was looking better dealing with crosses after his early wobbles. Today it was terrible again. Maybe the two weeks he's spent on the bench knocked him out of sharpness, I don't know. It's obviosly an easy excuse for me because I don't like our keeper rotation.
We knew it would be a project with de Gea, and it is. I actually thought he was looking better dealing with crosses after his early wobbles. Today it was terrible again. Maybe the two weeks he's spent on the bench knocked him out of sharpness, I don't know. It's obviosly an easy excuse for me because I don't like our keeper rotation.
We are very fortunate to have two great keepers at our club. imo it would have been wiser to pick Lindegards today. he is taller, built like a tank- much better suited to deal with Yakubu and other tall players.
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