Can he speak English yet? Any interviews out that show him speaking English??
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Benfica in the FIRST Champions League group game of the season? a big game.
You're clutching at straws with that.
Villa away, Galati away. They are easy games? Norwich at home (when we got battered) all clean sheets by the way.
If he had played the 3rd champions league game away, i very much doubt you would have seen the ridiculous keeping for the first goal.
I'm talking about big, high pressure games.
Let's not try calling Villa (the worst Villa in years), or Otelul/Norwich big games. That's just being silly.
The argument will be valid for Lindegaard once he's played a big high pressure game or 2, and if I need to spell it out for you I will... I mean, against the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc.
To be honest, any game away from home for Utd isnt an easy game.
I dont think its wierd to say that I (only me not you) would trust him more in a big game more than De Gea right now. He is older, has looked solid and reliable and kept clean sheets in most games that he has played.
De Gea on the other hand, has made a handful of mistakes, which are to be expected at his age.
You honestly think Lindegaard would have made that ridiculous lunge with his foot in Basel? Come on.
That 'ridiculous' lunge was just instinct. It could have gone anywhere, unfortunately for us it fell to the feet of their striker. I think our defence were at fault then more than de Gea.
I don't get the de Gea bashing. It's bad enough reading what the press say about him or listening to commentators almost jizzing themselves when he doesn't gather a cross cleanly without hearing out own fans having a dig.
he's an excellent keeper and has kept plenty of clean sheets this season so far. He'll get better and will become the best in the world, I'm certain of that.
Give him a bit of time ffs. He is a better keeper than Lindegard (who is also an excellent keeper btw)
I don't get the de Gea bashing. It's bad enough reading what the press say about him or listening to commentators almost jizzing themselves when he doesn't gather a cross cleanly without hearing out own fans having a dig.
he's an excellent keeper and has kept plenty of clean sheets this season so far. He'll get better and will become the best in the world, I'm certain of that.
Give him a bit of time ffs. He is a better keeper than Lindegard (who is also an excellent keeper btw)
It's all a bit irrelevant as Fergie trusts De Gea in the big games more than Lindegaard. FWIW, De Gea was superb so far in our toughest match away from home this season against Liverpool so I don't know why people put Lindegaard ahead of him on the big games on that basis.
I think you're confusing, "big high pressure game" and "easy game".
And yes, QPR was pretty damn easy, it should've been 5-0. And we've the best away record in the Prem this year so I'm guessing you're getting confused with last season there-
Lindegaard has kept a good few clean sheets because he tends to play in the games that SAF thinks are going to be comfortable enough. I like the look of him, but I won't judge him against De Gea considering one of the them is playing against Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and the other is playing Norwich, Otelul etc.
My suggestion is, you should do the same.
You can have your opinion, and il have mine thats fine with me.
Considering the way he has played in the games he has, and the way De Gea has in the big games, id much rather put him in right now.
Ive already said De Gea will go on to be the better keeper in the future.
I havent bashed De Gea, ive said he is an excellent prospect, who I believe will go on to be by far the better keeper.
If you ask me right now which one id play in a big game, id play Lindegaard.
De Gea has played pretty well in the big games as of late and was generally outstanding against Liverpool and Chelsea.
Having said that I'm confortable with either keeper, I just don't see anything wrong with Fergie's judgement over the current status quo.
David De Gea was class at Stoke. Massive pressure for a young keeper there.
Thats fine, im not overly fussed about either. I wont cry if De Gea is picked, just think Lindegaard gives off a bit more confidence.
Its not exactly a bizarre comment. Its not like Lindegaard is a spastic now is it.
Benfica in the FIRST Champions League group game of the season? a big game.
You're clutching at straws with that.
There all big games when you play for United.
No they are not.
Bizarre comment. If you can't tell the difference between Liverpool away and Norwich at home, well, you need your head checking.
You're getting confused.
I'm not telling you that your opinion is wrong, it may well be bang on. I'm telling you that it's best to reserve judgement until both have played in similar high pressure games. Comparing Lindegaard's performances against more often than not cannon fodder to De Gea who has played City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal is unfair.
No if you read the last page I've got the exact same opinion only to be looked down on by various posters.
Id love to see him get a chance in those games. But you know we dont see them in training and De Gea im sure will be one of the best keepers in the world in the future.
But some of what he does at the moment, makes me so nervous. His reactions sometimes seem wierd. Like the save with his feet at QPR too, he just kicked that stright back into the danger area. It was a wierd reaction and at least kick it to the side.
Ive seen none of that in the games Lindegaard has played. And he has been busy enough in the games he has played.
Sorry. Glad to see somebody else agrees!
Yeah it's not a slight on De Gea. Sometimes you get a hunch about a player and if others have the opposite hunch then they search the statistics to prove yours wrong.
Yeh as I said, there are bags of potential.
But I like Lindegaard, think he gives off a confidence and an arrogance and I like that. Will be interesting to see if he is the same when he does feck up, which everyone does.
Lindegaard does shout a lot more and I suspect his communication is better for obvious reasons.
18.5m is alot of money we have to give him the games to grow here and hopefully he'll turn out to be great.
Despite the dodgy start, De Gea has looked fairly solid considering he is in a completely different environment. His mentality is a cut above most keepers his age.
Scratch that, his mentality is above most keepers in general. I liked Ben Foster but he was a blubbering wreck after his mistakes. De Gea has not been the same and has continually improved (apart from his kicking which for some reason has gone the other way).
Scratch that, his mentality is above most keepers in general. I liked Ben Foster but he was a blubbering wreck after his mistakes. De Gea has not been the same and has continually improved (apart from his kicking which for some reason has gone the other way).
What is the biggest game Lindegaard has played? Norwich at home and Villa away, 2 games where he had next to nothing to do. Norwich had lots of chances but bar one or they were put wide or over. Villa I dont think had any decent chances on goal. The save De Gea made vs QPR was from a deflection which put him a bit off balance. He has played in numerous big games needless to say the big 4 this season and cup finals and the big 2 in Spain.
Speaks a bit of it on twitter.
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That's why GK are taught to come with their hands and grab the ball. There was no pressure on De Gea it was a mistake. Some on here feel they must defend DDG even when he has made a mistake. The more sensible dare I use this word is to accept he has made mistakes that have cost us but its something we have to accept as he is a young GK. There is no need to bash him like the press have done but neither is there a need for the blind refusal and denial.
United are in a great position GK wise we have two excellent GK - which other club in the world has 2 GK as good as ours? Thats the positives you should dwell on.
Very good point. I forgot about that giant Pantimillion?
Is Pantilimon as good as either Lindegaard or De Gea?
Must admit haven't really seen him play much.
De Gea + Lindegaard vs Hart + Pantimillion
I have only seen Pantimillion in the game against Arsenal where he pulled off some wonderful saves - for a big guy hes about 6ft 7 to get down low so quickly was a feat in itself.
It's hard to say which pair are better but the point is the Manchester clubs probably have the best pair of GK in the world.
I'd have to see Pantilimon play first in a league match before I could comment to be honest.
Nah ive only seen bits of Pantilimon, would need a City fan to give us a proper low down.
But what I have seen, looks very impressive, agile for a big lad!
But what I have seen, looks very impressive, agile for a big lad!
Good Post, sums up my feelings really. Even the best keepers make mistakes, I remember Van Der Sar dropping a few clangers at the start of a season which cost us a few points. I wouldn't have replaced him or questioned his ability because I knew what he was capable of.
Due to De Gea's youth and the fact that his true ability is unknown to most fans and the press, it's easier to question his ability when he makes a mistake. Fergie is doing the right thing by refusing to drop him after mistakes, he needs to know that the manager has confidence in him.
Trying to think of other clubs who compete.
Would have said Friedel and Cudicini was a good combo a few years ago.
The sign of a GK is not when he makes a mistake but how he reacts and responds. Ive seen Casillas and Valdez make numerous mistakes and then a moment later pull of a magnificent save - does it make up for the mistake - hard to say but the reaction post a mistake is what matters.
DDG seems to be able to brush off an error. People always talk about being a "complete player" be is a defender, attacker or even a GK but where do we get this idea of "completeness" from and is my understanding of it different to yours? All players strive to improve their game but their must come a point where you realise the returns diminish as you approach your peak. DDG will continue to develop his game and each player reaches their peak at different ages.
DDG seems to be able to brush off an error. People always talk about being a "complete player" be is a defender, attacker or even a GK but where do we get this idea of "completeness" from and is my understanding of it different to yours? All players strive to improve their game but their must come a point where you realise the returns diminish as you approach your peak. DDG will continue to develop his game and each player reaches their peak at different ages.
I also think some people aren't accounting for the fact that De Gea likes to use it feet more often than his hands. I think that's why Spanish keepers fare better in one on ones or other situations. I was watching Sturridge's goal against Wigan and albeit it was a very very good one, Al-Habsi could have dealt with it better. It was obvious that the shot made it awkward for him, evidenced by the way he went down but I wondered if he could have stuck out a leg.
There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
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