After the error against Benfica his kicking has been much more direct.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Hope he gets his confidence back to play the ball out as he did when playing for his country and his first few games for United.
good post mate.
Yeah, it's just finding that balance. When to pass it and when to knock it long, it all comes with experience as will him catching the ball more rather than punching it. He's been brought up a very different way to the English keepers, which is probably a good thing. He's a very quick learner and has great mental strength, the media keep sharpening their knives but for me he's done incredibly well considering his age and the man he's replacing.
Cech's been at fault for more goals than him this season. Reina has around the same number. Joe Hart's had a few too. Yet none of them are subject to the same scrutiny as him. When you consider his upside the odd clanger while he's learning is an acceptable compromise. There looks a very real possibility that we'll have the best player in his position in the world in a few years. That doesn't happen to us that often.
That said he's got to find a balance when punching the ball. Which he will. He's 20 for feck's sake.
That said he's got to find a balance when punching the ball. Which he will. He's 20 for feck's sake.
Everytime I have criticised him I have pointed out his age and how that I am certain he will be a top keeper
But does this mean we are not allowed to point out his faults?
But does this mean we are not allowed to point out his faults?
Dunno if that refers to my post but I was referring to media scrutiny. Randall scrutiny doesn't even cross my radar.
Cech's decline has been discussed from many pundits over the last few years
It's simply giving him support, that's all. It's his first season, he's young, and in a foreign country. By all accounts his temperament is excellent and he is coping well.
You can keep count and detail every single "mistake" if you wish, it's your prerogative...but try not to be so mystified when others are "protective over him"?
It doesn't get dragged up every time he punches a ball he should have caught. I don't entirely know why.
I also thought he should have caught two crosses. However, on reflection I reckon he played the percentages and decided punching a wet greasy ball is a safer option.
Definitely. I was at the game today and there were a lot of groans on the punch in the second half where it was a comfortable catch. But it didn't cost us which is the way you want to make your mistakes.
Just watching Madrid v. Barca which is again very wet, and two of the best goalkeepers in the world have decided against catching almost all balls.
Neither of them have ever been a fan of catching balls. Not in wet conditions.
Valdes is nowhere near beeing one of the best goalkeepers tbh.
I'm with you on this, never understood why people rate his as one of the best keepers just because he plays for Barca. Anyone could play in goal there and win games/trophies. Stick Rob Green or Taibi in goal and I bet they would too. Good with his feet but nothing special as a keeper as such.
Can't believe the treatment of De Gea. I'm English and one who wants our national team to do well as you see in my posts but even I will say if he was English our pundits and papers would not be doing this to De Gea. The mistakes Ben Foster made were far worse, mistakes like being caught out of the box and what not and yet he never got any stick like that. In fact he had all them praising him and letting him off it. Whilst he was good at shop saving he had many many more weaknesses than De gea, like poor on crosses, poor accuracy of left foot kicks, poor right foot, not good under pressure for attacks when on the ball etc but everyone was saying he was going to be amazing. Even bought it myself a bit.
Still laughing about Jamie Redknapp slamming De Gea, practically writing him off already when coming to a new country to play at 20 but then on the same show later said Kenny/Liverpool should be given time as they've bought a few players in at once, many who played in the Premiership and are English/British.
This was the guy who wrote Tevez off as well when he joined, stating that we need Saha as Tevez and Rooney are "too similar"......... look how that year turned out. I think David De Gea has looked really well so far, you don't worry about him now, he's just there like an old piece of furniture and yet he's only 20, he's had to replace of European footballs best keepers of modern era and he's come to Man United in the spotlight as we're seeing. He's got a long way to go hopefully but you could argue he's done amazing so far considering. Not everyone starts off like a rocket like Torres or Hernandez remember. Drogba, Dzecko, Brad Friedel all took time to adjust to a new county.
Not nip-picking but about last night's match:
- Came out of his box quite unnecessary to punched out a cross where it landed on the opposition, who shoots but luckily defenders were there to block it away.
- One of the Wolves player shoots low across goal, DDG made a save but kinda fumbled it, luckily ball was landed on our defender's feet who safely clear it away.
Just pointing it out. It was a rather nervous display from him. Understandable following the events in Basel.
- Came out of his box quite unnecessary to punched out a cross where it landed on the opposition, who shoots but luckily defenders were there to block it away.
- One of the Wolves player shoots low across goal, DDG made a save but kinda fumbled it, luckily ball was landed on our defender's feet who safely clear it away.
Just pointing it out. It was a rather nervous display from him. Understandable following the events in Basel.
DDG did not fumble any save.
Valdes is a terrific 'keeper. One of the best one-on-one I've ever seen. If you watch Barcelona regularly there's no way you couldn't put him in the top echelon of goalkeepers.
Yesterday he made one feck up early on and then proceeded to make a catalogue of them. With the best keepers, mistakes are still inevitable but it doesn't affect their subsequent performance(s).
Being great at one on ones doesn't put him in the top echelon. For there a so many other things he is very poor at.
This guy is the future worlds best keeper, you got to expect a few teething problems given the nature of the transfer.
I agree 100%
He gets a lot of stick but He has improved massively over the last few years
I don't think he has improved that much.
So you are going to base your entire opinion on him based on one game?
Valdes is a terrific keeper. Underrated because Barcelona have so many other great players.
I think it takes courage for a keeper to play with his feet and stick to the team's principles of possession based football rather than launching one down the field when closed down.
We've seen the likes of Cech and Reina have ropey games (rather than just a mistake or two), have we not? Or even his opposing keeper yesterday?
He went back into the Valdes of old mode in yesterday's game but he really has improved year on year since around '06 and deserves to be in the same bracket as Casillas, IMO.
Look forward to watching De Gea move ahead of those two and Reina before they're even in their mid-30s, though.
I think he has improved somewhat, but I'm not sure how much of his apparent improvement is down to him and how much is down to his team being so bloody good in the past few years.
He will always be weak on crosses but he is one hell of a shot stopper and quite brilliant in one on one situations - he is very rapid off his line and works his angles out well.
Reina overall game is better than both casillas and Valdez. DDG could eclipse them all.
Reina overall game is better than both casillas and Valdez. DDG could eclipse them all.
Neither of the two spanish keepers are all that good anymore. Casillas and Valdes leak goals like a siv 'when they're actually challenged'. They're on the same level as cech. Reina is better then both Spaniards although he's also prone to feck up on occasion himself. DDG will be the top Spanish keeper within a few years. All the others really have on him now is experience.
That's such rubbish. Casillas was great last season.
This season he has 7 clean sheets and has save 76% of his shots in the league. Hasn't conceded a goal in the CL in the 4 games he's played and made 16 saves.
Only thing De Gea has on him is distribution. Don't know if Valdes has anything on him.
This season he has 7 clean sheets and has save 76% of his shots in the league. Hasn't conceded a goal in the CL in the 4 games he's played and made 16 saves.
Only thing De Gea has on him is distribution. Don't know if Valdes has anything on him.
For the past 4 years Cassillas has an average let in of just over a goal a game in the league. His european form is only marginally better but this year he's had the benefits of a more rock solid midfield. If we go by stats, then Valdes has been the far better keeper over the past 4 years, but there's a very good reason for that.
I'm not just going by stats. I watch a lot of Spanish football and I've done so for many years. Probably more than most. I watch it equally as much as the English game.
He's the reason Real Madrid are close to Barca. I don't know how many times I've seen him win games for Real because of his saves. Real's defense isn't very good. They've not had any emphasis on it in his whole career until Mourinho came. Capello did as well as he could with what he had and got the sack for it. They've always purchased rubbish combination of defenders. Always switching they're number 1 CB pair. Ramos in right back, Ramos in CB. No replacement for R. Carlos until Marcelo became good. They're still very suspect because their CB's are so rash. They're much better with Arbeloa in the team. He hold formation better than any other full back in their team.
Casillas has to deal with way more of 1v1's than Valdes.
People on him talk about him like pundits and other people talk about De Gea.
But let's not hijack this thread on this subject.
He's the reason Real Madrid are close to Barca. I don't know how many times I've seen him win games for Real because of his saves. Real's defense isn't very good. They've not had any emphasis on it in his whole career until Mourinho came. Capello did as well as he could with what he had and got the sack for it. They've always purchased rubbish combination of defenders. Always switching they're number 1 CB pair. Ramos in right back, Ramos in CB. No replacement for R. Carlos until Marcelo became good. They're still very suspect because their CB's are so rash. They're much better with Arbeloa in the team. He hold formation better than any other full back in their team.
Casillas has to deal with way more of 1v1's than Valdes.
People on him talk about him like pundits and other people talk about De Gea.
But let's not hijack this thread on this subject.
Currently I'd say Casillas>Valdes>De Gea
Some years later hopefully becomes Casillas>De Gea>Valdes
Some years later hopefully becomes Casillas>De Gea>Valdes
Cheers anyway. I don't watch alot of Spanish football and was basing it mostly of stats and a few opinions over recent years. I don't think he's as great as you rate, but I should have given him more credit. Madrid do need to fix their backline though.
Amidst all the spastic reaction in the press post Basel defeat about how de Gea is rubbish one of the more measured reactions by someone on five live (possibly lee dixon) was that he's on his heels more than he should be for a keeper at this level.
It looked the same yesterday when he managed to sort of scuff that shot out while falling backwards.
Coincidence or something that our coaches should be working on with him?
It looked the same yesterday when he managed to sort of scuff that shot out while falling backwards.
Coincidence or something that our coaches should be working on with him?
Possibly he does seem to save an alarming number of shots with his legs than most keepers. Wouldn't surprise me if our coaches were working on specific techniques, feel like it has been to the detriment of his kicking. It's no longer as imperious as it was to begin with and there have been a few dodgy kicks from him albeit under pressure.
Reina is ahead of De Gea right now.
He did make one catch yesterday under some pressure, so at least he doesn't punch everything.
Quiet day yesterday. QPR Huffed and puffed but when it comes down to it, didn't create much until Campbell's miss. Still, De Gea was alert and came into action when it was needed without a problem. It's the sort of thing you'll have to be able to do when you play for United.
I was impressed with one particular catch after a corner kick in the second half. The box was so fecking crowded and I was worried for a second, but still he managed to catch the ball without a problem and distributed it quickly to start a counter-attack as well. Well, it may have been a standard 'catch', but it was still good to see him do it with ease. Other than that he had one miskick in the first half, but that's about it. Quiet game, did what was required... sometimes it's like still having VdS in goal. Can't really give higher praise than that...
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