David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Didn't DDG save more shots in the Tottenham game alone than Lindegaard has had to save in all games so far? Of course I'm exaggerating but the numbers aren't much different.

Aura of confidence? What does that even mean? Bendtner and George W. Bush have massive confidence.
 
Edmeiste said:
I also think some people aren't accounting for the fact that De Gea likes to use it feet more often than his hands. I think that's why Spanish keepers fare better in one on ones or other situations. I was watching Sturridge's goal against Wigan and albeit it was a very very good one, Al-Habsi could have dealt with it better. It was obvious that the shot made it awkward for him, evidenced by the way he went down but I wondered if he could have stuck out a leg.

There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
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Very good observations.
 
Edmeiste said:
I also think some people aren't accounting for the fact that De Gea likes to use it feet more often than his hands. I think that's why Spanish keepers fare better in one on ones or other situations. I was watching Sturridge's goal against Wigan and albeit it was a very very good one, Al-Habsi could have dealt with it better. It was obvious that the shot made it awkward for him, evidenced by the way he went down but I wondered if he could have stuck out a leg.

There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
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Sharky7 said:
Very good observations.
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But when I post it, nobody gives a damn :(

https://www.redcafe.net/10898544-post3289.html
 
Makki said:
A keeper who will react instinctively, stick a leg out and parry with his legs is not necessarily a bad thing. I've seen a number of goals being scored due to the keeper trying to dive for balls near his feet. In fact, Joe Hart almost let one in against Arsenal yesterday when he dove down to parry it when sticking a leg out would've done the job.

This is a perfect example of when instinctively sticking a leg out would've done the job instead of diving for it..

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No-one gave a damn about this? shame buddy, I think it's a very good observation. And the point made regarding the Sturridge goal at Wigan this weekend is bang on in line with this.
 
Edmeiste said:
I also think some people aren't accounting for the fact that De Gea likes to use it feet more often than his hands. (...)

There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
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If you're talking about the first half save with his foot at QPR, it wasn't a case that he chose to go with his foot, but that his position when the shot came in was such that sticking out a foot was the only option available to him.

His feet were about as far apart as they could have been when the shot was taken - all the goalkeeping manuals and coaches tell you that your feet should be no further apart than the width of your shoulders to enable you to adjust your body position and get down quickly.

That (along with his refusal to come for crosses) is what worries me about De Gea - sometimes he makes such basic technical errors. Fortunately he (just) got away with that one.
 
Some people talk some shit in here.


They are virtually incomparable right now.

De Gea has a fantastic record in the Prem with 13 Games played, 56 saves made, 14 goals Conceded. 6 of which were against City in a freak game where he was left completely exposed by his defence for 3 of them.

Lindegaard has played just 3 games in the Prem conceded none but only had to make 6 saves.

Incomparable.
 
ralphie88 said:
If you're talking about the first half save with his foot at QPR, it wasn't a case that he chose to go with his foot, but that his position when the shot came in was such that sticking out a foot was the only option available to him.

His feet were about as far apart as they could have been when the shot was taken - all the goalkeeping manuals and coaches tell you that your feet should be no further apart than the width of your shoulders to enable you to adjust your body position and get down quickly.

That (along with his refusal to come for crosses) is what worries me about De Gea - sometimes he makes such basic technical errors. Fortunately he (just) got away with that one.
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I wasn't really referring to that (QPR save). I agree with you his stance is a bit awkward. He seems to do that alot. He might do it less when he fills outa bit. I was saying more so in general because I've seen keepers concede goals that maybe they could have prevented using your feet. De Gea just seems more comfortable using his feet to make a save more so than his hands.

Aside from this, what do you think about his distribution? There was some time back where people were comparing his distribution from the beginning of the season up til now. It seems about the same to me but I do miss the audacious lob here and there. I like the way he releases the ball for our attacks. A good example was on Sunday when he picked the ball up from a corner and threw the ball to Nani to start a counterattack.

Not sure why I missed your last sentence but I think you make a good point. I dont know when he'll start coming out for crosses more but I hope it happens soon. We defend really deep in the box because of it and although we havent conceded and looked fairly strong, it does worry me as well. I didn't really follow him at Atletico. Surely someone who has can attest to his ability for coming for crosses. Fingers crosses it's just due to him settling. He can't get away with that forever.
 
Edmeiste said:
I wasn't really referring to that (QPR save). I agree with you his stance is a bit awkward. He seems to do that alot. He might do it less when he fills outa bit. I was saying more so in general because I've seen keepers concede goals that maybe they could have prevented using your feet. De Gea just seems more comfortable using his feet to make a save more so than his hands.

Aside from this, what do you think about his distribution? There was some time back where people were comparing his distribution from the beginning of the season up til now. It seems about the same to me but I do miss the audacious lob here and there. I like the way he releases the ball for our attacks. A good example was on Sunday when he picked the ball up from a corner and threw the ball to Nani to start a counterattack.
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Ah right, fair enough. Yes, I don't think generally there is a problem with a keeper choosing to use his feet for saves (in fact I thought the way Foster used to do that was one of his strengths), but the QPR one didn't impress me. I feel that if his stance had been correct, he'd have made a very easy save with no rebound.

I think the reason some people have been a bit critical of his distribution is that he's done a few miskicks in recent weeks. I'm not overly concerned with that, but I would agree that it's not as good as it was at the start (when he was the best footballing keeper going).

That said, Barthez was a great footballer. Anyone remember him playing at left wing in the dying seconds against West Ham in the 2001 cup game? :D
 
The QPR save looked to me as though he had committed his bodyweight to one side in anticipation, only for it to be deflected and he adjusted well to save it. I'm not a goalkeeping expert but to me it's clear for his age De Gea is a wonderful prospect he might be a bit rough around the edges but he is a very mature young man and he's dealt with the pressure of his new role here really well.
 
Edmeiste said:
I also think some people aren't accounting for the fact that De Gea likes to use it feet more often than his hands. I think that's why Spanish keepers fare better in one on ones or other situations. I was watching Sturridge's goal against Wigan and albeit it was a very very good one, Al-Habsi could have dealt with it better. It was obvious that the shot made it awkward for him, evidenced by the way he went down but I wondered if he could have stuck out a leg.

There are times where sticking out a leg is better than trying to get down and save it where the ball can sometimes find it's way in the back of the net.
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Spanish gk tend to be good in one on ones because they stand up more forcing the attacker to make a decision. Other gk charge out and spread themselves which essentially boils down to the attacker either getting his shot off quicker or leaving it late and clipping it over the gk.

When you stand up the attacker is not going to be able to chip you so they will try place the ball either side of you -this is where fast feet to kick the ball away matter. Also when you stand up you cannot then not dive down.

Also the shot that Hart saved against city which he was lucky squeezed to the side and out for a corner - he should have gone with his feet.
 
ralphie88 said:
Ah right, fair enough. Yes, I don't think generally there is a problem with a keeper choosing to use his feet for saves (in fact I thought the way Foster used to do that was one of his strengths), but the QPR one didn't impress me. I feel that if his stance had been correct, he'd have made a very easy save with no rebound.

I think the reason some people have been a bit critical of his distribution is that he's done a few miskicks in recent weeks. I'm not overly concerned with that, but I would agree that it's not as good as it was at the start (when he was the best footballing keeper going).

That said, Barthez was a great footballer. Anyone remember him playing at left wing in the dying seconds against West Ham in the 2001 cup game? :D
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I just hope that at least some semblance of that distribution will come back and that it's not due to our training methods for him. I like having a keeper that can hoof a ball with a purpose. Not just to clear it for the sake of clearing. It doesn't help that in terms of height, we're not the tallest of teams. Any keeper would struggle to consistently hit Rooney against taller CBs but it's one aspect of his game I hope he retains and actually betters. It's a delight to watch and helps us in some sticky situations. His poor clearances make me scratch my head sometimes as we know how good he is with his feet. However, he's only 21 and I think will be recognized as the best keeper in the league come the end of the season.

I know if he comes out for crosses more and shows better anticipation in closing down the angles, then his stock in England will rise. They like seeing a keeper who's brave and can also show his class (VDS) but to some, it looks like he's shirking from that responsibility. Others are just thick in the head and cant see the talent he's got.
 
Commadus said:
Spanish gk tend to be good in one on ones because they stand up more forcing the attacker to make a decision. Other gk charge out and spread themselves which essentially boils down to the attacker either getting his shot off quicker or leaving it late and clipping it over the gk.

When you stand up the attacker is not going to be able to chip you so they will try place the ball either side of you -this is where fast feet to kick the ball away matter. Also when you stand up you cannot then not dive down.

Also the shot that Hart saved against Arsenal which he was lucky squeezed to the side and out for a corner - he should have gone with his feet.
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Fixed. And yes that was another occasion too. Anytime I listen to commentary on Joe, I think part of why people think he's so good or at least bill him up to be WC is because he's England's No.1. He's a good keeper but wouldn't say he's class. Very good shot stopper mind
 
At fault for the 3rd Blackburn goal, I do feel the rotation and the makeshift defence didn't help him at all, the backline was shambolic today. We really missed Vidic, Berba marking Samba give over. De Gea's an excellent keeper but has a lot of work to do.
 
Makeshift defence and rotation is a big part of the reason. The defence was atrocious all day and made Yakubu look world class, De Gea hasnt been playing the past few games and looked short on confidence and it showed.
 
Orton said:
Nah, our injuries and makeshift team was the main reason we lost today.
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Im basing my post on the season thus far. He has not adapted quick enough to being Man Utd 1st choice keeper. He should be number 2 until he is ready
 
Orton said:
Nah, our injuries and makeshift team was the main reason we lost today.
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No, him fecking up basic goalkeeping duties and looking to the re every time he got a touch cost us a point. 3 defensive errors lead to goals, but his was the worst.
 
His self-confidence is under acceptable level for a Nr1 playing for United. Maybe he's not a big stage player?
 
Lindegaard is better at organizing the defence, he'd be a better pick for situations like this with a makeshift team.

Seems like he lacks confidence in going out screaming for a the balls on crosses as well, just doesn't put himself through and gets to the ball like he should.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Not ready to be our number 1. He is a liability
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Harsh but at the moment I think Lindegaard is our best bet, I think SAF has not helped De Gea by dropping him in and out when he was making progress. De Gea has massive potential and he'll be one of the best keepers in the world but we can all see crosses are a weakness, someone needs to tell him not to worry and put their forehead on that ball. Unfortunately all of our defenders are injured.
 
Wonderful shot stopper poor on crosses, a typical La Liga keeper. Needs to eat some more steak, put on some more pounds and learn to lead with his fists and elbows when going for high balls into the box.
 
He had very little to do today. He flapped at at least 2 crosses and then a 3rd which led to their winner

I also think he may have done a little better with their 2nd
 
He was able to win balls in the area earlier in the season somewhat, but he failed miserably at it today. Lindegaard has to play if the defense isn't going to have anyone who can head the ball. We had fecking Berbatov marking Samba because no one else on the pitch can head the ball. Ridiculous.
 
I don't understand. Lindegaard gets rotated and plays with a makeshift defense too but why is DDG getting shielded. I thought it was a poor performance by him today. Might become a great keeper but today was poor.
 
Simply not good enough, too weak in the air and now that teams have a sense of his weakness they will exploit it.

I wont play him again this season..
 
Cost us a point today, no matter how you try to twist and turn it, no question about it.

Was always going to happen though, and I don't think the rotation is doing him any favours at the moment.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
No, him fecking up basic goalkeeping duties and looking to the re every time he got a touch cost us a point. 3 defensive errors lead to goals, but his was the worst.
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Yes he should have done better, but no it didn't cost us alone. Going 2-0 down due to shite defending was what cost us and we looked shaky all game.
 
Play Lindegaard and give De Gea time to settle. He needs to learn how to deal with crosses before he can be our first choice, and that's not just based on todays match.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Not ready to be our number 1. He is a liability
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Guess you've forgotten the number of saves he has made for us then.

Also (at least up until a couple of weeks ago) he was being forced to make twice as many saves in each game as either Schmeichel or Van der Sar.

Think the injuries and the adjustments we were forced to make to our formation and team were more to blame than De Gaa.
 
Wonder how Ferguson will react. He's normally stuck by De Gea after he has made a mistake and played him immediately in the next game. To be fair to the lad he has normally done well in responding to it which makes you think he has what it takes. Just some basic goalkeeping techniques need to be worked upon.

Still there were players who had far worse games than him today and that's saying something.
 
Art said:
I don't understand. Lindegaard gets rotated and plays with a makeshift defense too but why is DDG getting shielded. I thought it was a poor performance by him today. Might become a great keeper but today was poor.
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One poor game doesnt make him a shit keeper. Typical idiotic reaction in here
 
At present, I'm more comfortable with Lindegaard in goal. That's not to say De Gea won't be good enough, but at the moment I think Lindegaard is the better option.
 
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