Jesus, don't take this guy seriously when talking about keeper's, he thinks Craig Gordon is as good as VDS.
Check out: https://www.redcafe.net/9274594-post207.html
That's right, Cech, Reina and Hart... none are better than Gordon!
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Jesus, don't take this guy seriously when talking about keeper's, he thinks Craig Gordon is as good as VDS.
Check out: https://www.redcafe.net/9274594-post207.html
That's right, Cech, Reina and Hart... none are better than Gordon!
and this beauty:
No marcus, I don't think it is ... I suspect its a bit of a buzz-word that everybody quotes but really isn't too sure what it actually involves.
Every keeper in the world since 1862 or whenever Notts County played their first game has been distributing the ball in some form or other. So how is de Gea any better or different, and how does that manifest itself in teh party line of:
'... but he's got fantastic distribution' ....you do realise who he's playing for and against what type of opposition and how that opposition is generally set up ?
BTW, that's a 'general' you.
Jesus, don't take this guy seriously when talking about keeper's, he thinks Craig Gordon is as good as VDS.
Check out: https://www.redcafe.net/9274594-post207.html
That's right, Cech, Reina and Hart... none are better than Gordon!
and this beauty:
Every keeper distributes, none are better than the other? How does that make sense?Here is the answer to your question, he finds his man almost every time, other keepers mostly miss, or find the opposition by hoofing it out to the opposing teams centre mids, De Gea finds a United player more often than not.
Jesus, he actually doesn't understand what it means for a keeper to be good at distributing the ball. Amazing. I thought he was being deliberately obtuse.
Jesus, don't take this guy seriously when talking about keeper's, he thinks Craig Gordon is as good as VDS.
Check out: https://www.redcafe.net/9274594-post207.html
That's right, Cech, Reina and Hart... none are better than Gordon!
and this beauty:
You see Sharky7, I can't take folks like you seriously because first of all you were incapable of following my discussion in the first place, and now you selectively quote from a whole number of posts on the subject ... you know the whole lies, damned lies .... analogy.
And, of course I watch other teams, and their keepers as well. Who would have thought, eh ?
Aye. Just had a quick look. I see what you mean.
Don't you think that's a rather simplistic cop out you've just posted pogue ... I know you can do better.
Err... What does it matter who he plays for and how the opposition is set up? To always have the mindset of catching the ball and look for the quick, long throw is signs of great distribution and even led to one of the goals against Spurs. To be able to chip a 50 yard pass onto the chest of Smalling time and time again shows that he has great feet and good control of his mid-range passing. The fact that he sees every goal kick as a passing opportunity rather than hoofing the ball as far as he can is a great asset to a team that plays possession football, and the fact that he sees every touch with his feet as a passing opportunity (that he can pull off) is a great security for the defenders who can rely on passing it to him, unlike Kuszczak who would immediately give away possession if passed to.
You can't really expect to be taken seriously posting such nonsense!
Remember PIG's last game for us? - What did you think about his distribution and its effect on the team?
Now, contrast that with any of VDS's or De Gea's.
ho ho ho. says the man with the camera in SA bringing up mind-fecks. There you are ... sor-did.
Well, yes. What I was doing in SA was video journalism. i.e. Someone (me) conducting the act of journalism (the practice of investigation and reporting of events, issues and trends to a broad audience) on video (the technology of electronically capturing, recording, processing, storing, transmitting, and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion.) Viola! - Video-journalism. Journalism on video. Le journalisme a video. Video journalism.
No mind fecks involved.
Not a stat often considered with keepers but I'd like to see how De Gea's pass completion % tallies up against VdS and other keepers in the league.
I now regret reading the last few pages of this thread.
Now this is better. But you simply can't rule out the opposition when you're playing against, ... well opponents ... they dictate what you can and cannot ACTUALLY do at any given opportunity. SAF can give his defenders and the keeper instructions on how he would like his team to begin attacks, and I'd say that over the past 4-5 yrs building from the back has become a tactic more rigidly applied to United and other English teams ... this may be due to th einfluence of foreign coaching but I suspect the success of Barca's gameplan has influenced many coaches and I don't think it has passed SAF by. Anyway, i don't have any more time at this point in the day to carry on ... perhaps later, ladies & germs.
What does this have to do with the fact that De Gea can receive the ball, and distribute it very well? I.e he gets the ball, looks up and sees someone on the half way line, leathers it to him and finds him. Rather than say PIG who gets the ball, panics, smashes it out for a throw in or smashes it to the opposing players on the half way line who has shit distribution.
Can someone explain the reference to video-journalism? There must be some history I'm missing here.
I loved that all the young lads were the first to congratulate him. Hope they're building some good relationships personally as well as professionally. It can only help him settle.
This meant to be clever ? Just asking.
I've no idea. You brought video journalism into it. I was assuming you didn't understand it? Beyond the obvious of course.
Otherwise I'm a bit lost tbh.
He's probably got the highest because he plays it short a high % of the time instead of hoofing it up to the halfway line like most other keepers
He still hasn't lost a game for us (competitive and non).
That includes vs Barcelona.
That includes vs Barcelona.
Yeah they surrounded De Gea as if he had scored a goal or something. It was nice to see indeed and he would have felt confident too.
He's absolutely outstanding at it. And I think it's a very very underrated quality in a keeper now that I see the impact it can have.
What did you make of the first Arsenal goal, Pogue? Mistake by De Gea or not?
Yep the way he spreads the ball to the wings is very good. He rarely just hoofs the ball up field. He always looks to pick out a teammate with his passing.
Good at kicking under pressure, too, much like Van Der Sar.
Did you ever watch him previous to joining us? Sounds like you haven't.
Ahh, so its coming out now folks ... so instructions are being followed, perhaps because SAF wants the full backs or wingers back in a position to take it short when possession is recovered.
And shouldn't we define whether we're talking teams like United/Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs who try to play it out similarly as opposed to Bolton/Blackburn/Stoke/Sunderland who are generally set up to receive long ?
Hmmm ?
BTW, I'm just using your post (and Pogue's before that) to illustrate my point.
Have been watching (on the telly) La Liga on a weekly basis for a few seasons now but I can't say I ever saw anything out of the ordinary from him in the season before last, but then I can't claim to have seen all or even most of his games, which I'm sure some on here will claim.
What is your point?
He's back off to Spain for U-21 duty according to his twitter
Or according to my new amazing thread!
I don't actually see this as being the case. He doesn't pass it to the nearest player almost always. He just picks the best option and usually gets it spot on.
It's at 60.3% after the first three games, bear in mind he had a nervy debut with only 46.6%. Reina, widely acknowledged to be the best in the league is at 75%. De Gea had 72.3% at the weekend. Szczesney 46.6%.
What did VdS average?
In other words, his team mates are giving him options. And I suspect that these available options are related to the present form that United are displaying. They've been generally dominant, and on the front foot which usually means that there is more space for defenders & keeper.
Of course, most keepers in the EPL don't always have options, nevermind a best option so to compare like with like is a bit tenuous.
What is important here is what comes of the distribution. I've seen countless 40 yard cross-field passes from Scholes & Rooney over the years where everybody ooohs & ahhhs but frankly they've led to nothing other than showing they can hit a, well we all know the term, a Hollywood pass.
I'd be interested to see how many 'assists' or 'secondary assists' VdS or Reina were credited with in any one season. What I suspect is probably more important in the grand scheme of things is your general ability to maintain possession of the ball under pressure, and the defender's positioning is as much a part of this as the keeper's ability to find them.
The true test of his distribution abilities will be seen when United are going through a less dominant /possibly sticky patch.
Are you honestly trying to say that De Geas ability to pick out a pass and actually ping the ball shit loads of yards to someone with pinpoint accuracy isn't a good thing? It's not a skill but it's his team mates that have done it? I guess Scholes was shit at passing as well, must have just been his team mates giving him options..
The options are one thing, we are discussing De Geas ability to play the pass and nail it, rather than attempt it and fail.
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