David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Karagounis should keep that cigarette smoke away from our Dave.
Roundish, not triangle-ish, or even just round?
How can you claim to know which of De Gea's saves Schmeichel would or wouldn't have saved? None of us can possibly know that. Or that De Gea is the better shot stopper because he conceded one goal by a smaller margin than you think Schmeichel would have conceded it. Seriously? Come on Ruud10.
Even if your original point was correct (I'm not saying it is) the way you approach arguing it is just odd.
Nah, that's Thiago. He's coming to United, but he's taken comparisons with the Anderson signing a bit too literally, and has been furiously putting on weight for a month or so.
I don't remember Schmeichel that much, so I can't go into argument if De Gea is a better shot stopper than him or not.
But, I would say that De Gea is one of the best shot stoppers of the last 10 years in world. I would say that he is better than Cech before injury at that aspect, and only Buffon at his best could possibly give him a match (possibly - but not likely - Casillas too cause some of his saves have been insane).
In fact, is documented here somewhere that more than a year ago I have called him the best shot stopper in the world. So, definitely is not out of question that he can be a better shot stopper than Schmeichel, simply because how good De Gea is at shot stopping.
But, I would say that De Gea is one of the best shot stoppers of the last 10 years in world. I would say that he is better than Cech before injury at that aspect, and only Buffon at his best could possibly give him a match (possibly - but not likely - Casillas too cause some of his saves have been insane).
In fact, is documented here somewhere that more than a year ago I have called him the best shot stopper in the world. So, definitely is not out of question that he can be a better shot stopper than Schmeichel, simply because how good De Gea is at shot stopping.
no, sorry, that IS ludicrous. You also had no idea how good Schmeichel was when he was DDG's age, I'll wager.
Ruud10... have you ever seen Schmeichel's save against Rapid Vienna? Or from the John Barnes header? Or the Don Hutchison save at Anfield in the early 90s? I just think you're ignorant if you think Schmeichel couldn't make the kinda saves DDG does.
He was playing for Hvidivre in Danish second division, so I really doubt that he was anywhere De Gea's current level.
So he magically developed the ability to play in goal when he joined Brondby/Utd? Joe Hart was playing at Shrewsbury. Besides you missed my point (or added to it)... no one here was watching him there, so they have no basis to judge how good he was.
No magically, but he developed his ability to play in goal gradually. De Gea has been one of the top 3-5 keepers in Europe this season, so there is no doubt in my mind that he is better than Schmeichel on 1986 who was playing at second Danish division. If he was very good at the time, he surely would have been playing at a better level. Even Brondby is not that high level anyway. So, regardless if we watched him or not, he had near 0 chance being as good as De Gea is at the moment.
That's not to say that De Gea will become a better keeper than Schmeichel during his career (hopefully he will though if he plays for us), cause players develop at different ages, so it's quite easily that while De Gea at 22 is comfortably better (than when Schmeichel was 22) he will never reach Schmeichel's level.
Newcastle 96?
Haha Big Pete wouldnt be able to make some of the saves DDG has made, would you get the feck out of that garden. Some people have clearly forgotten how good Pete was.
Just Rapid Vienna ffs, uber save !!!!!! Was it against spurs when he dived for a top hand corner shot, full stretch only to catch it with one hand and pull the ball into his chest?
DDG is doing great but he's far from the finished article.
Just Rapid Vienna ffs, uber save !!!!!! Was it against spurs when he dived for a top hand corner shot, full stretch only to catch it with one hand and pull the ball into his chest?
DDG is doing great but he's far from the finished article.
Anyway, for those qho question Schmeichel, here is a good compilation. Some of the saves are insane, and at 1:30 is a similar save like De Gea against Mata (though not at the exact position and Schmeichel caught the ball)
Even better, most of the time, the big Dane actually catched the fecking ball, instead of just palm the ball away.
Logged in to the new site for the first time just to ridicule this, the stupidity benchmark has been set unbelievably high already.
Enough can't be said about Schmikes. His command of the box was something few can match. And the way he commanded his defenders was brilliant, as well. He was enough of a leader, and big and strong enough, for them to both fear and respect him. Not many guys can scream at guys like Jaap Stam the way Schmeichel did and get away with it.
Love DDG, hope he stays here for many years to come.
His words regarding SAF were so respectable. I actually got a bit of a lump in my throat reading 'I owe a lot of my capabilities as a goalkeeper to him'.
Hopefully DDG ends his career here.
Hopefully DDG ends his career here.
Jesus Christ... I'd forgotten about some of that... we had no business winning that Newcastle game or the Arsenal FA Cup semi w. ten men... just like Denmark had no business winning the Euros. Forget the City crap at the end of his career... this man deserves his place alongside Robbo as club ambassador.
and iff Schmikes isn't the best keeper ever, he is undoubtedly top 3 of ALL TIME.
I love DDG, but this talk is just silly and quite frankly unreasonable. To steal a phrase from Bobby Charlton... if I had to play for my life, I'd want want Peter Schmeichel in goal... no question.
'What would make the best goalkeeper?'
*Describes self*
*Describes self*
To be fair, it is hard for every keeper (probably except Yashin) saying that he is on top 3 of all time. Especially considering that the majority of us haven't seen that much playing all the great keepers of different eras. Anyway, I would say that Yashin, Banks, Zoff, Schmeichel and Buffon are all in at-least top 10 of all time, and likely they are the five best keepers of all time.
'What would make the best goalkeeper?'
*Describes self*
Aerial play?
I'd agree with that... true legends. And you may want to add Bayen legend Sepp Maier to that mix.
We've all seen the highlights... and older fans may have seen them play a couple of times (except Yashin... thanks USSR and your policies of shutting out the world). I recall watching the odd Juve match from Zoff's era and remember what an overwhelming presence he had.
Still with my Red Tinted glasses I'd want Schmikes... but I'd also want one of the others as back up on the bench.
Barcelona have allegedly made a move for Inter's 'keeper Handanovič, for those worried they'd be sniffing around de Gea.
I'm not sure how you can say Schmeichel would never get there, for the Modric strike.
It's just one of those things you'll never know and, if anything, the countless miracle saves he made would suggest he'd have every chance.
As for saving Mata's free-kick, find a compilation and look for his save at home to Forest (I think) where not only does he save one going into the top corner, but flies across and plucks the thing out the air for one example and similar save.
DDG top stopper, keeper, already PL best IMO and soon the world.
He's also the first United keeper I've enjoyed/looked forward to watching in matches since Schmeichel.
But I think there's a bit of underrating of Schmeichel on here.
It's just one of those things you'll never know and, if anything, the countless miracle saves he made would suggest he'd have every chance.
As for saving Mata's free-kick, find a compilation and look for his save at home to Forest (I think) where not only does he save one going into the top corner, but flies across and plucks the thing out the air for one example and similar save.
DDG top stopper, keeper, already PL best IMO and soon the world.
He's also the first United keeper I've enjoyed/looked forward to watching in matches since Schmeichel.
But I think there's a bit of underrating of Schmeichel on here.
Regarding the Mata free kick and whether Schmikes could or could not have made that save, it's just my opinion. I never saw Schmikes make THAT kind of save (the one at 1:30 above is impressive but not quite in the same class as De Gea v Mata), but I can't claim to have seen every single save he ever made. It's quite possible he made dozens of similar saves. But so that we're clear, count me among the first to agree that Schmikes was one of the top shop-stoppers of all time and without any question one of the greatest keepers of all time -- and yes, maybe in the top 3. I'm only splitting hairs between two great shop-stoppers, nothing more.
On every other aspect of a keeper's game, I agree Schmikes > De Gea. But then again, De Gea is only 22 now and most of us remember Schmikes between the age of 28-38 or something like that -- at the very peak of his game. According to wiki, at the age of 22, Schmikes was playing for Hvidovre. I know squat about Hvidovre but I think it's safe to say Hvidovre doesn't compete against the same level of competition as does United.
Where we go from here in a De Gea v Schmikes debate is that while De Gea is undeniably the better keeper at the age of 22, only time will tell whether De Gea can reach the incredible level Schmikes set in his mid 30s. That's a long, long time from now. But the fact that we're splitting hairs between them today should tell us that it's not at all inconceivable that De Gea could go to be regarded as the greatest United keeper ever. And if we pick up a few CL trophies and Spain a WC trophy with De Gea in goal, who knows?
So "De Gea is a much better shot-stopper, pure and simple. No debate whatsoever" but Schmeichel was one of the top shot-stoppers of all time? Perhaps just tone down the hyperbole next time you make a statement like that? Just a thought so that you don't have to backtrack when someone inevitably questions it.
So the objection isn't the truth of the claim but rather the intensity with which the claim, a truthful one, is made? So when somebody posts "A sensational goal by Ronaldo!" he should tone it down too? Yeah, I've been berated in honoring incredible goals, whether it was the first Ronaldo goal against us (the header) or the Modric goal v De Gea. I guess some prefer a more dour mood on fan forum. Are you by any chance a banker?
Let's step back a bit, get the crusty stuff out of our eyes and see this clearly. We all agree that in nearly every aspect of a keeper's game, Schmikes was, at his peak, than De Gea is today, right? Right. Where there's reasonable disagreement is whether De Gea is a better shop-stopper than Schmikes. Some say yes, some say no. I say yes, and for me it's pretty clear. Not clear as in "De Gea is a greater shot-stopper" and Schmikes was not." Not at all. I'm just saying De Gea is better than Schmikes in this one, and at this time only one, aspect of a keeper's game. And I'm comparing a 22 year old who has has to deal with unbelievable abuse from fans and the media in a new environment against a keeper in his prime in his mid 30s well after he had established himself as a great keeper, and knew the native language fluently. Shot-stopping isn't about knowing the native tongue, of course, but my point is that De Gea dealt with all kinds of shit that the Dane never had to and yet has still pulled off stunning performances. And of course, De Gea had to deal with crazy makeshift back lines that I never recall Schmikes having to deal with.
Have I mentioned that most of us fondly recall Schmikes at his peak around 30-34 while we're seeing De Gea now at 21-22?
Whether De Gea can maintain his incredible form over the last 18 months (and it's worth bearing in mind it's still only been a short spell so far) remains to be seen, but there's nothing for me to "backtrack" about, since presumably we all agree he was sensational this season and probably -- I say "probably" since I presume none of us say Schmikes at Hvidovre -- significantly better than Schmikes at the same age of 22. I do not recall any keeper playing for one of the world's elite clubs -- United, Barcelona, Real, Juve, Bayern and a few others -- putting in the kinds of stunning performances at the age of 22 that David De Gea has.
All I'm saying is that we better get used to the idea that this kid is really, really good. If you want to wait until he's 30 to pass judgment, that's fine, but we've seen more than an enough already to be pretty confident he's going to have a ridiculously sensational career as one of the world's top keepers.
No, the claim is utterly moronic, the intensity was just the disfigured cherry on top of the mental asylum cake.
Making good use of the caf's new Keep Digging feature, Ruud10?
Yeah man, i think all United fans are so feckin excited about the games, Leagues & cups he's gonna earn us over (hopefully) the next 10+years & more. He's exceptional!
That's a great lad right there alright. Very honest & such a humble & respectful guy. Great bloody goalkeeper to boot aswell i might add - we're in safe hands to coin a phrase. There's been no messin around after VDS retired like we did when Smikes retired... but Fergie didnt know Edwin was leavin Ajax to go to Juve at the time & the deal was done. We'd have won a shed-load more if we'd signed Edwin instead of all the other muppets inbetween ffs..
Thats all u had to say man - we fecking agree big son
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since he got here, i always thought he was freaking good, even though he naturally looked a little bit nervous at the beginning. But now... its just this presence that transmits security and confidence.
The way he floats the ball around from 30/40yds+ to our full backs or wingers (did we have any last yr?) is feckin awesome & he does it so casually too - drops my jaw tbh... nevermind the totally fecking awesomeness of his saves... he's quite frankly totally fecking awesome & he doesnt do shampoo adverts like Hart does either
One of the greatest of all time. As much as I love DDG, a long long way to go before he merits being compared to one of the Top 3 keepers of all time. The sheer physicality of Schmikes just makes him stand out especially when you take into account he was very agile, light on his feet and possessed great leadership and communication skills too.
Best Keeper of the last 20-30yrs imo.. Cant even think who's better before that & feck that shit about Banks. He did a great scoop save.... but hey - so did Smikes. Maybe not as good or against Pele, but he did something similiar & so much more...
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