David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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It wasn't even that bad a mistake. Yes, he could have done better with it but the fact that he was challenged by his own defender made it harder to put more power on the ball. It ended with a goal but the defence is a much at blame for it as he is. Prior to that he'd kept us in the game with a few terrific saves but somehow it doesn't get mentioned nearly as much as the goal.
 
Ruud_boy_10 said:
That is the most baffling part.
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That's simple - Rafael thought they ball was closer to Valencia, he expected him to go get the ball and then rafa was counter attacking ahead of him. Unfortunately there was a mixup and he thought rafa was going to the ball.

perhaps raf should of dealt with the ball first, but I can see his intentions. It wasn't a mistake, just a Mixup.
 
Isotope said:
He's no Schmeichel, Pagliuca, or Toldo of this world; but goodness gracious, he's a god damn fine goalkeeper. Could he do better with that punch? of course he could. But that's just a thing you could micro analyze for the goal. It's on the level of "could be better"; not even on "small mistake" one.

Lloris for van Persie's goal was even more of a 'mistake' by him than de Gea's.
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Out of interest - how old was Schmeichel when you got him? And did he have no weaknesses when you got him?

For me De Gea is a top keeper, especially when you consider his tender age. His reflexes are fantastic.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's simple - Rafael thought they ball was closer to Valencia, he expected him to go get the ball and then rafa was counter attacking ahead of him. Unfortunately there was a mixup and he thought rafa was going to the ball.

perhaps raf should of dealt with the ball first, but I can see his intentions. It wasn't a mistake, just a Mixup.
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Yeah I agree with this, to be honest I think Valencia should've reacted quicker, Rafael's reaction was very sensible: by moving forward, he was being an outlet for Valencia (had he got on the ball) and we could've taken the ball out of a dangerous place easily. Valencia just never got in the groove after his introduction up front or in defence, and that was another example. But yeah it was more of a mixup than anything else. As for DDG punch, after having rewatched it, I think it's ok. He might of been able to catch it (but with the weather conditions, to be honest, I wonder whether a punch wasn't actually the right decision), but in any case his punch was directed as it should've been, not in a "dangerous area" as some have said. It just happened that Lennon was at the right place at the right time and did what he should've, and Dempsey was left pretty free to push it in.

In any case, I was ready to come in here saying that DDG had won us three point today, I still think he won us one point, with all the amazing saves he pulled off (seriously, you wouldn't fault Buffon, Casillas or Neuer for letting in a couple of the shots sent at him yesterday). I was very frustrated at the team for not killing them off on the counter, there were a few very good moves that broke down when they should've gone all the way, I was annoyed at the non-penalty decision... but I definitely wasn't annoyed with DDG's performance which was top-drawer for me.

Just one of those days.
 
Realistically he probably earned us a point though with some fantastic reflex stops.
 
Made a mistake. He'll learn from it. Overall he had a very good game and there's no need to get overly defensive over it.
 
Haven't been on in a while, so my two cents on his last few weeks:

Parrying - I don't recall this being a problem last season. Off the top of my head i remember the double save at home against Arsenal where he parried Arshavin's shot, away at Spurs the deflected shot that Evans was alert to and cleared and Athletic where he was moving backwards into position got a hand on it and Muniain got there first.
If anything, maybe it's the timing of the dive. What he is doing now gets a full, strong hand on it. At full stretch, fingertips would see it past the post. Maybe going down with two hands can get more distance on the parry. All things he was doing last season.

On yesterdays game - Excellent and i thought we might see a shutout. Thought the second save might have come off his hand actually, just the way it bounced away. The communication between him and Vidic was bad again for the goal. Vidic was desperate to get in Caulkers way, but was not clearing that. In the end he ran into de Gea again and probably made the punch more difficult. Thought if he stood out the way and blocked Caulker a bit, de Gea would have gotten it away from Lennon atleast. I can understand the scramble at that stage of the game though. He is definitely better in the air this season, as he proved away at Villa, but the consistency is not there yet.
 
His inexperienced showed but the important bit is not to get phased by these types of goals. Having a bunch of spastics on his back calling for SAF to take action against him will hardly help his case though. He's kicking kept us in possession and all the saves he made indicates that he's worthy every bit of time and money invested in him. Just need to continue having faith.

But I understand, it's easier to find a scapegoat in an young, inexperienced keeper than admitting it was a collective failure. What was Evra going to achieve going in that duel? take a step out and he'll clear the rebound. Where's the marking on Dempsey?
 
I'm not blaming the lad for anything. He pulled off some fantastic saves yesterday and kept us in the game. But the fact is, if you want to sit back and invite wave, upon wave of attack, then the inevitable will surely happen at some point!

We are better than that! And we have some fantastic talent that can keep the ball, there simply is no excuse for allowing Spurs that much freedom in the second half!

But as for De Gea, I'm really chuffed with the lad, he is coming along very nicely and will be a fecking top keeper!

Also, one of our greatest keepers wasn't without mistake early in his career, as I'm sure everyone knows. but some of Schmeichael's mistakes are really laughable, yet with maturity he turned into one of the best keepers around. Check out some of these feck ups.

 
De Gea is going to be a great keeper. He's a great shot stopper, he's good with his feet and he's improving on air. However, we need to work on ball catching. Players are noticing this weakness in him and are constantly trying to exploit it.
 
I didn't see MOTD, so I can't comment on Hansen, but I thought Neville was a bit out of order yesterday and I found myself agreeing with Redknapp. DDG played well and he was stretching over people for the punch, so I don't know how he could have got any more distance on it?
 
Neville is really harsh with keepers generally speaking, didn't see what he said about yesterday but it doesn't surprise me that he's being tough on De Gea. I like Neville's overall analysis, his tactical insight has surprised and delighted me, but I think he's a bit wank when it comes to keepers.
 
Eyepopper said:
feck that 'concentrating on the positives' stuff though.
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I must be looking at a different thread to you because I can see plenty of positive remarks about his performance yesterday. In fact nearly every post praises him, as did Hansen, as did the BBC commentator on MOTD.
 
Can't believe the criticism on him from the media. He kept us in the game on numerous occasions. De Gea is really harshly treated.
 
In fairness, apart from Neville (who I didn't see but apparently was harsh with him), the media has been ok after yesterday's performance no? Apparently MotD were fine, the commentary as well, Skysports, in their ratings, gave him an 8 (top rating, same rating as Carrick who was their MotM and Lennon). If anything, after yesterday's game most of the criticism is in this thread (which is probably understanble as it's very frustrating for fans to go through that situation where we dropped 2 points right at the end of the game and we're looking for... spacegoats!!).
 
Don't see how anyone could say that he cost us 2 points. The amount of point-blank saves he made yesterday was fantastic.

I just hope Fergie won't drop him after that boo-boo for Dempsey's goal, and start off the keeper rotation system again.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Can't believe the criticism on him from the media. He kept us in the game on numerous occasions. De Gea is really harshly treated.
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Incredible really, if he was English he would have been praised as England's #1 for the next decade or so. De Gea has been class all season, people are nuts.
 
From the dailymail

United may be odds-on favourites to win the league still but they cannot afford too many goalkeeper errors like this, even against the weaker teams. In individual matches just about every member of United’s defence has looked vulnerable this season but few as consistently as De Gea. For one member of the back four it must have been particularly galling.
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Alan Hansen

It will be difficult to keep them playing together all season but the more Sir Alex can do it, the better United’s chances of winning the title will be. They deserved get three points – but the reason they did not is because of the goalkeeper, and its something United have got to deal with or it could end up costing them.
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Never mind DDG's supposed faults, you would've thought that somebody would be picking up Lennon - Spurs' most dangerous player - from the second ball...
 
feck, are people blaming DDG for Spurs' equaliser? It was just one of those goals that happen when a side is applying intense pressure on a defence.
Disappointed we didn't see it out, but a draw at Spurs is a point gained.
 
SteveJ said:
Never mind DDG's supposed faults, you would've thought that somebody would be picking up Lennon - Spurs' most dangerous player - from the second ball...
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Tbf, at that time all the team was out of position.


And with regards to that goal i am surprised Rafael isn't getting flak. Deserves it more with De Gea 2nd for mine.
 
MrMojo said:
Then before moaning about how your money is being wasted on Hansen why not tune in to see what he actually says.
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Because I've just read a fecking article of his opinion.

Unless he's a chameleon and has Match of the Day opinions to appease fans and then uses his column to say something completely different, I think it's s pretty safe bet that he's continued his usual De Gea is shite crusade.

Either way, it does sicken me that I pay his wage, along with Garth Crooks. KttW is probably a better pundit than they are, and I don't mean that as a compliment.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Because I've just read a fecking article of his opinion.

Unless he's a chameleon and has Match of the Day opinions to appease fans and then uses his column to say something completely different, I think it's s pretty safe bet that he's continued his usual De Gea is shite crusade.

Either way, it does sicken me that I pay his wage, along with Garth Crooks. KttW is probably a better pundit than they are, and I don't mean that as a compliment.
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No you read two sentences.

Before joining the conspiracy brigade I'd recommend finding out fully what he said. He complimented his saves as did the commentator. He also highlighted the unnecessary punch De Gea made before the one for the goal and how that would offer encouragement for the opposition. It was balanced punditry.
 
MrMojo said:
No you read two sentences.

Before joining the conspiracy brigade I'd recommend finding out fully what he said. He complimented his saves as did the commentator. He also highlighted the unnecessary punch De Gea made before the one for the goal and how that would offer encouragement for the opposition. It was balanced punditry.
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Actually, I was talking about this:

Former Liverpool defender Alan Hansen writes in his Daily Telegraph column that Manchester United goalkeeper David de Gea "has a frailty and a weakness when the ball is in the air" and adds: "if he makes one more mistake that costs them like that, Sir Alex has got no alternative but to take him out and bring back Anders Lindegaard."
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MrMojo said:
No you read two sentences.

Before joining the conspiracy brigade I'd recommend finding out fully what he said. He complimented his saves as did the commentator. He also highlighted the unnecessary punch De Gea made before the one for the goal and how that would offer encouragement for the opposition. It was balanced punditry.
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What is the obsession with British pundits and catching the ball? Hansen is obviously an expert when it comes to goalkeeping and what de Gea works on in training.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Actually, I was talking about this:
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Ok, you've based it on one sentence then. He offered more analysis on the television, which is what you criticised, which is what you didn't watch.

I've told you that he complimented him as well, is that going to be ignored?

As far as his comment in the Telegraph goes, he does have a weakness in the air and the manager has repeatedly taken him out and put Lindegaard in. What's the big controversy?
 
Orton said:
What is the obsession with British pundits and catching the ball? Hansen is obviously an expert when it comes to goalkeeping and what de Gea works on in training.
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It's customary for goalkeepers to catch a ball when possible, it's why they're allowed to use their hands.
 
Another problem in this thread - people taking one line from a pundit and rather than accepting that the pundit has a different, but valid, view, deciding that it means he must be biased or have an anti United agenda if it's critical of De Gea or that he is an idiot and him saying De Gea didn't do very well proves he actually did. This has gone as far as accusing Gary Neville of having an anti-United agenda.

When somebody praises De Gea though, even if they're employed by Manchester United, that means they must be listened to, in the case of Peter Schmeichel it meant he was only pundit we should listen to. Further, pundits widely regarded as idiots praising De Gea proves he did extremely well because even that idiotic pundit was able to see it, and the people who are criticising him must be even more stupid than the pundit.

Hansen's article is completely fair by the way
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...to-axe-David-de-Gea-after-latest-mistake.html
 
MrMojo said:
It's customary for goalkeepers to catch a ball when possible, it's why they're allowed to use their hands.
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Not when it's not really possible to catch and punching is the only option. It's not customary for them to catch every single cross no matter how much you will hear people bang on about it. Watch other continental keepers, who are much more comfortable with punching. We dont know what they are working on in training but with de Gea's tendancy to punch every now and then i'm assuming the coaches are totally fine with it.
 
Hansen is saying basically that sticking with de Gea will cost us the title, much like when he said years ago we wont win anything with kids. It's complete hypebole of the highest order, and from him especially you would think he learnt his lesson.

There is no agenda but that doesnt hide the fact that the media are extremely harsh on him. Like they are just waiting to put the blame on him whenever we concede, even when he's done all he can.
 
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