It was more than a couple of quality saves, DDG and Rio pulled off a few moves that kept us in the game, it could have been 3-1 to Spurs at one point which is why I can't blame DDG for that result.
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It was more than a couple of quality saves, DDG and Rio pulled off a few moves that kept us in the game, it could have been 3-1 to Spurs at one point which is why I can't blame DDG for that result.
It was two wasn't it? The deflected Bale shot and the one on one. Why are you including what Ferdinand did?
So that's your example of De Gea being flogged, a post containing more praise than criticism. This is what you call "absolutely ridiculous?"
This thread has gone tits up, posters are just looking for an excuse to be outraged now.
He didn't really say it was de Gea's, he said it'd have been 3-1 if it hadn't been for de Gea and Ferdinand.
To be fair if Bale's shot went in, you'd blame de Gea for not anticipating a deflection.
No I wouldn't, I only blame De Gea when it's reasonable to, much like I give him credit when it's reasonable. I don't think I've ever criticised a goalkeeper for conceding from a deflected shot, all bets are off once the ball takes a nick.
This thread is like fuking Ground Hog Day. Seriously. It's an absolute farce.
Can we ban kie from this thread? It's getting tedious now.
Would you like more examples? Probably not.
Yes, to describe De Gea as having made "absolutely no progress" in any aspect of his game is absolutely ridiculous. And ridiculously pathetic.
It's one post, laced with compliments as well as a criticism. You're welcome to show other examples, in fact I think you should if you're going to describe moderate criticism as being 'flogged' and 'absolutely ridiculous.'
I'd say posters who've gone over the top with criticism amount to around 1% of the guys in this thread, the vast majority offer well balanced opinions.
If you and others keep pretending otherwise then this thread will continue to be the bitchy, precious, analysis free zone it's become.
Let's put it this way, I think defenders are 70% responsible.
Has there been a single game recently where we've been scored on where there hasn't been a torrent of criticism on the caf laid at De Gea? True, it's a small minority of posters, but it's getting really, really tedious. Do you deny this?
A torrent of criticism? Of course I deny it. At best two or three posters might incorrectly blame him for conceding. Is this a torrent? Obviously not.
There's a weird prevailing trend at the moment to latch on to one or two posters comments and paint that as the consensus of opinion. Then get all outraged and over the top about it. That to me is tedious.
You're actually the tedious one ... bully, then snitch ... that's your tactics. Kie is being quite reasonable.
Not cool.
Yes. He conceded two goals against West Ham, one person said they felt he could have been better (harshly in my view) and got buried under an avalanche of disagreement, personal criticism,
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/ emoticons and pithy one liners.The reason he's faced a "torrent of criticism" is that he's been doing a lot of things recently that he could have done a lot better, it's as simple as that.
Thought de Gea did well today. Reverted to type with the save that he knocked back for an offside Defoe. Didn't cost him but it's another example he'll mentally book and try to avoid in future.
The two saves with his legs, especially the second were good efforts - deserves credit but I'll add I'd expect most keepers to get these ... it's a natural save with your legs when you're heading for the ball on its original path.
I think he was right to punch but it just didn't happen for him ... it needs to go up, that's the basic rule.
Also thought some of his kicking was top drawer accurate.
FWIW I thought Lloris should have covered his near post instead of 'stopping'. Good cross and header but you hope that a defender is going to cover the header back across to the backpost.
Edit: I forgot to add that I though the defence were excellent today ... blocking stuff left, right and centre.
The two saves with his legs, especially the second were good efforts - deserves credit but I'll add I'd expect most keepers to get these ... it's a natural save with your legs when you're heading for the ball on its original path.
I think he was right to punch but it just didn't happen for him ... it needs to go up, that's the basic rule.
Also thought some of his kicking was top drawer accurate.
FWIW I thought Lloris should have covered his near post instead of 'stopping'. Good cross and header but you hope that a defender is going to cover the header back across to the backpost.
Edit: I forgot to add that I though the defence were excellent today ... blocking stuff left, right and centre.
I've asked you to show me this 'torrent of abuse' and this 'flogging' of De Gea.
You've come up with one example, a post that contained more praise than anything.
You and others are just going way over the top in your reaction to a few posts you don't like. I say deal with it and let the thread get back on track.
De Gea was amazing as always. United should score another to kill the game and control it but didn't.
Spaniard is not to blame.
Spaniard is not to blame.
This.
De Gea made some great saves today and I think he's a great talent. People argue that he punches the ball out when he should be catching it and they're right he should be, but I'm wondering if the coaches are deliberately telling him to punch it out as that's more his comfort zone for now whilst he continues to grow. I'm hoping next season we see the start of a more mature De Gea with a lot more confidence in his own ability to come out and catch the ball.
He could have punch it better but he was ok overall.
The leg saved is more ball to leg than anything but that shows his great positioning.
The leg saved is more ball to leg than anything but that shows his great positioning.
He saved our bacon on two occassions but fecked up for their goal. It's annoying as it wasn't that difficult a ball to defend and he could even have held on to it. That cost us two points after defending doggedly for most of the match.
I wish I could forget this thread exists.
It's pretty clear De Gea is a quality keeper who will improve with experience.
It would be a great help to him if our fullbacks stopped going walkabouts and allowing crosses to be slung into our box constantly.
It's pretty clear De Gea is a quality keeper who will improve with experience.
It would be a great help to him if our fullbacks stopped going walkabouts and allowing crosses to be slung into our box constantly.
He's quality aye, but today he undid his good work with a simple mistake that cost us two points. Teams are always going to swing crosses into our box when we sit back on a 1-0 lead, doesn't mean the keeper needs to give the opponent a goal.
One fullback could have avoided running up the itch aimlessly when we didn't actually have the ball and the other one could mark the player he's supposed to mark instead of falling asleep again though.
Yeah, it was a shit punch, yeah he's made some mistakes this season, but so many of the goals we have conceded this season could and should have been prevented at the source, before De Gea even had to be involved. We fell asleep, again.
Our defenders were terrific throughout. I don't know how many times Vidic cleared a cross today. De Gea was asked to intervene from crosses twice, the first one he dealt with reasonably enough the second one he screwed up and unfortunately we lost two points because of it.
Look, it's impossible to defend your goalkeeper from making any kind of intervention (an easy one at that in this instance!) in the box from crosses. It's not something we should need to be doing either, you'd expect your GK to take charge of at least easy crosses into the box with little pace on them.
They were terrific throughout, as was De Gea, but if people aren't prepared to excuse him one error of judgement why can we not be honest about it and say our two fullbacks also fell asleep, didn't do their jobs and helped give the goal away?
Unless you can explain why Rafael was charging up the pitch head down, running past a loose ball that we didn't have possession of, and also explain why Evra was challenging for a ball with his own goalkeeper and centreback that he didn't need to challenge for, instead of marking the winger he was supposed to be marking?
He's no Schmeichel, Pagliuca, or Toldo of this world; but goodness gracious, he's a god damn fine goalkeeper. Could he do better with that punch? of course he could. But that's just a thing you could micro analyze for the goal. It's on the level of "could be better"; not even on "small mistake" one.
Lloris for van Persie's goal was even more of a 'mistake' by him than de Gea's.
Lloris for van Persie's goal was even more of a 'mistake' by him than de Gea's.
Yes it is. He's a good goalkeeper, could go on to be a great goalkeeper but this kind of coddling is annoying. He punched the ball and it landed about 4-5 yards away at a Spurs players feet in the penalty box. It was a shit punch and it was a mistake, simple as that.
The goal wasn't solely his fault, he wouldn't have been put in that situation if the players out on the wing did their jobs but people bending over backwards trying to absolve him of any blame, when some is merited, is getting fecking tedious.
He made some really important and world class saves but was shaky on the goal. Also, he did that same mistake early on of palming the ball back to an opposition player (defoe). Needs to learn to push it wide or out.
Noticed that as well. Though overall it looked like he had a good game. Made some really great saves to keep us in the game. Likely could have got a better punch on the ball at the end, but in the wet like that and the players in front of him I'm not going to be to negative over it. in the end he kept the game at 1-0 for most of the game through good saves
That's the most fair analysis of it. Rarely, if ever, in football do analysts look to blame a group though; they always want to drill down to the individual. This type of reductionism has seen DDG cop all the flak for yesterday's goal.
I thought he was excellent barring the last moment of the game. Given that he saved us throughout, I'm not going to flog him.
It was a really difficult punch. I don't blame him at all. Rafael is to blame. He should have tried to clear the ball than launch a counter attack.
That is the most baffling part.
Anyone else we can blame? How about Rooney for a poor pass earlier?Jones for not reading Rafael's intention to get the ball upfield? We could go on and on
I still don't think that a goalkeeper punching a ball 5 yards away to the side, with so many defenders and midfielders there, is a mistake. He could have punched it 7 yards away and they still could've scored, too.
3 or 4 world class saves from him yesterday.
One of our better performers.
Obligatory: if that was Hart the papers would be raving.
As for the goal, weak punch but the balls should've been cut out IMO. Rafael half a step behind his man.
One of our better performers.
Obligatory: if that was Hart the papers would be raving.
As for the goal, weak punch but the balls should've been cut out IMO. Rafael half a step behind his man.
Alan Hansen
"Without a doubt he cost them three points and this is a crucial stage of the season where Sir Alex Ferguson needs to decide whether to stick with him or take him out the firing line."
What the hell is wrong with these pundits? He kept us in the game with some fantastic saves.
"Without a doubt he cost them three points and this is a crucial stage of the season where Sir Alex Ferguson needs to decide whether to stick with him or take him out the firing line."
What the hell is wrong with these pundits? He kept us in the game with some fantastic saves.
Hansen
The man so stupid he managed to set fire to his own face.
The man so stupid he managed to set fire to his own face.
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