I was on the verge of coming in here at FT and saying that's the type of performance that wins titles. 1-0 away from home and a number of crucial saves. Sadly, he didn't get enough on it, but with Spurs playing like a pub team and launching the ball into the box, you are in the lap of the gods as to where the ball lands.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Heh, spot on there.
You make fair points, but if our goalkeeper didn't feck up and he is just so weak that he literally can't win in a situation like that - he either concedes or makes a pathetic punch - then isn't the logical conclusion that we need a stronger goalkeeper? I think he just dropped a bollock, earlier in the game he made a brilliant punch, but if he can't win in situations like that then it's genuinely worrying.
Why do you think I'm happy when he makes a mistake? I'm not, at all, it's incredibly frustrating.
i guess it was a combination of weak punch / lennon in the right place at the right time.
He had to get there but i'd expect especially in the last minute of the game just to absolutely put everything into it to make sure that ball is cleared.
I mean its a strange situation for De Gea at the moment. Hes playing well and saving a lot of attempt and arguably gaining us points but he has made numerous individual errors even if they havent cost us games. Sturridge's goal at OT, Perch's goal at OT spring to mind immediately
He had to get there but i'd expect especially in the last minute of the game just to absolutely put everything into it to make sure that ball is cleared.
I mean its a strange situation for De Gea at the moment. Hes playing well and saving a lot of attempt and arguably gaining us points but he has made numerous individual errors even if they havent cost us games. Sturridge's goal at OT, Perch's goal at OT spring to mind immediately
His only mistake with regards to the goal, IMO, was that he needs to fecking bulk up a bit and clatter into people a bit more. That will come too IMO...he's still really really young.
its crazy on here sometimes - we laugh at RAWK for being so subjective with people being banned for criticising a manager/player but this place is as bad sometimes
I'd give him an 8/10 for his performance today - the laspe in conentration from Rafael/Valencia and the weak punch from De Gea cost us the points
you could point to the penalty, the lack of cutting edge on the break in the second half but the reality is that we were a minute away from 3 points and he spoiled a great performance with a stupid mistake
he will learn
from Fergie himself after a mistake against fulham earlier this season
“I think young David made a mistake last week,” he said. “He knows it. With the form he’s been in, he’s been making some fantastic saves, but one error like that could have cost us the game. It’s just a learning process for him and he’ll be back in a couple of weeks’ time.”
I'd give him an 8/10 for his performance today - the laspe in conentration from Rafael/Valencia and the weak punch from De Gea cost us the points
you could point to the penalty, the lack of cutting edge on the break in the second half but the reality is that we were a minute away from 3 points and he spoiled a great performance with a stupid mistake
he will learn
from Fergie himself after a mistake against fulham earlier this season
“I think young David made a mistake last week,” he said. “He knows it. With the form he’s been in, he’s been making some fantastic saves, but one error like that could have cost us the game. It’s just a learning process for him and he’ll be back in a couple of weeks’ time.”
He's 22 for the love of God. It's clear he still has progress to make on crosses but everything else is top notch barring consistency. You won't even see the best of him for another pissing decade and he already makes incredible saves seem routine. Since he's been here he's rarely played with a fully fit first choice defence either which isn't ideal.
Sturridge's goal isn't an error! Schmikes even said so! It would help if our defenders didn't fall asleep at rebounds.
Exactly. People are acting as if he's the finished player now and is not going to improve at all. He'll get bigger and stronger and I think he's more confident dealing with crosses now than last year, although he still has room for improvement. Give him a chance ffs!
It will also help him now the more he plays with Vidic who loves dealing with high balls into the box.
If anything it's healthy for young players to get criticism, or else they'd never improve. His punch could have been stronger IMO, but he was pretty much flawless otherwise and didn't in anyway cost us the three points today.
Another decade? feck me, if his development's going to be that slow we should get shot of him immediately rather than preparing him to keep goal for another club. His contract only lasts until 2016 you know, after that he can walk.
Would you agree that he parries the ball into dangerous areas far too often?
Rafael and De Gea certainly deserve the blame for me. Maybe Evra too, but not sure who else you could blame ?
He was superb today. Saved us on at least 3 occasions, had they equalised with 30 mins to go. We could well be discussing a defeat.
De Gea is improving all the time. When he fills out a bit more and has a couple more seasons under his belt he will be world class. Until then you will have to put up with his every move being harshly scrutinised.
Btw did anyone else feel Lloris was at fault for our goal? Beaten at the near post very easily.
Btw did anyone else feel Lloris was at fault for our goal? Beaten at the near post very easily.
it was the way it happened
had the mistake been in the first half and we'd equalised we'd be feeling totally differently
a draw at Spurs is a decent result
its just when we were so close to the points
he will learn - time to move on
had the mistake been in the first half and we'd equalised we'd be feeling totally differently
a draw at Spurs is a decent result
its just when we were so close to the points
he will learn - time to move on
The entire team for inviting that much pressure in the first place, the goal was coming.
I don't understand the need to "blame" individuals for every single goal.
He made one along with Rio in the first half too. Defoe just missed the chance.
Made 3 super saves after that, and then another error.
Not sure what to make of how his performance was in totality.
maybe his fault, maybe not, but the ball ends up in the net too often after he gives up a rebound. makes some fantastic saves though.
Oh, that i agree with but it was a tough away game and the last minutes with us leading with a goal. Pressure is expected tbh.
Was that the once where Defoe was offside and De Gea was at full stretch saving a low drive?
We invited way too much for too long a period. Spurs aren't that good.
Goalkeepers don't historically peak until their 30's. Look at Edwin.
I don't really know, there are a lot of factors to consider in saving a shot. Like Sturridge's goal, I wouldn't have been able to break it down like Schmeichel did. I'm a defender and for me they have a tendency to get caught ball watching too often. Defending is a team responsibility. It wasn't an issue for me before with De Gea and it still isn't.
Small mistake being overblown as usual. What exactly could he have done? He couldn't have caught it, there were 2 players challenging and he was the furthest away. How much of the ball was he realistically going to be able to get? It should have been better defended by all.
He wasn't at full stretch actually and the shot wasn't that powerful either. He should have saved it towards the side but he pushed it towards the center again.
Once you do that, there's always a chance a striker could reach it, as defenders are looking to block the shot and facing the other way. It's not the first time he has done that either.
Pretty certain he was at full stretch on that one, even remember hearing Alan Smith stick up for him about it being a good save and thinking "well said fella". The Newcastle parry out is the only one I blame him for this season, there he certainly should have done better.
For me, De Gea really showed his immaturity today. No doubting his shot stopping ability, and if it wasn't for him then I'm sure we would have lost. But every time he caught the ball, he was looking for an outlet immediately. He seemed to be trying to urge us on and go and grab a second, but the rest of the team's mentality was to sit deep and defend what we had. There was a point where Rio tapped him on the shoulder, visibly said "slow down" and De Gea essentially ignored him and tried to find Valencia. It's an experience thing, and I'm sure he'll learn from it.
This is not a slating of him, just something that will come with age and experience.
This is not a slating of him, just something that will come with age and experience.
To be fair I wish the whole team had that attitude instead, I know we went there to do a job and that. Also considering our gameplan surely quick distribution to start counter-attacks was required.
Edwin was the best goalkeeper in Europe aged 24 according to UEFA. Casillas has been in the UEFA team of the year every year since he was 25/26, Buffon was the best goalkeeper in Europe aged 25, and the best goalkeeper in Serie A for the season he turned 21. This idea about goalkeepers peaking late is the same myth that was trotted out to defend Ben Foster even though he was clearly no good, they peak around the same time as other players, they just decline slower.
You don't need to be a goalkeeper to know, just compare it to other goalkeepers you watch, see how often they do it. You can attribute blame to defenders for not reacting if you want but the goalkeeper shouldn't be putting them in the situation in the first place.
Perhaps he could have got more purchase on the ball. If he couldn't, if he is too weak to beat an opposing player despite having the advantage of being able to use his hands then he has serious problems, and so do we.
The debate over the goal is all well and good but it doesn't alter the fact that we'd have been behind without the excellent saves he made today.
He might have been top 5 in Europe if he was still playing in Spain IMO. That said, i'm sure he will get to that level by the time he's 25.
As do I AC. But if we're going to be aiming to counter-attack then as De Gea kicks the ball you'd expect the entire team to rush out and build distance between themselves and our penalty box. But what seemed to happen was that De Gea would kick it, Valencia would either receive it and lose it or not receive it at all, Spurs would gain possession and come straight back at us, with our defence having gained barely a few yards from where they were defending.
Really? Can't say I remember that, his distribution was really good today I thought. Moves might have broken down eventually, but pretty confident that the majority of his passes were well placed and tbh would expect that if Valencia was loosing the ball it was more his fault that De Gea's.
Joe Hart does it, he's the best keeper in the world too remember. It's not a myth either, Goalkeepers display far more consistency as they get older. All those ages are 2-3 years off De Gea's anyway, you have to have some agenda to even suggest that De Gea is another Foster. Van Der Sar was at his best in the last few years of his career. English Football is an entirely different beast too.
He got a fair punch under pressure. Not perfect but good enough to get there before the attacker nodded it in. At that point it falls to the rest of the team to help defend the situation
It doesn't matter when it comes to keepers. Its their job to make saves, but they all become irrelevant if you make mistakes. The number of mistakes made by a keeper is what separates them into excellent and average categories.
You're right here. People often confuse goalkeepers being players who peak in their 30s with the fact that they don't decline until their 30s, meaning it's possible to reach their best if they already haven't, or stay at their best. Van Der Sar may have been brilliant for us, but it's not as if he'd only started to play well. He'd already been a top class goalkeeper years before.
I'm a big fan of De Gea, but surely people can't just excuse him when he makes mistakes? It's not as if it's ridiculously rare either. Luckily it's not every week we're saying it, but it's not rare either. He's got a long way to go, but for what it's worth I do still think he can go on and become a top keeper.
Yeah, think it was a few minutes after Rio's block. I'm not faulting De Gea's distribution in general, I'm faulting the urgency of which he had to play the ball. He might want to get the ball away from the danger area as soon as he can, but if the rest of the team isn't of the same mentality then the sensible thing would be to re-organise, push the defence up the pitch away from the goal and generally bide as much time as possible.
Hart's not the best keeper in the world, at all, I don't know why he's the point of comparison people always use. De Gea has done it in almost every game in the last couple of months, he certainly does it a lot more than Hart.
I wasn't suggesting De Gea is another Foster, at all. I was pointing out that you were using the same generic excuses for him that people used for Foster. Not all of those ages are 2-3 years off De Gea, Buffon was the best keeper in Serie A when he was younger than De Gea. I'll agree with you that De Gea probably hasn't peaked yet (I certainly hope not at any rate), but the idea we have to wait 10 years before we see him at his best is well wide of the mark.
Joe Hart has nothing to do with this. He may be massively overrated, but most sensible fans do acknowledge that he's error prone: especially a lot this season which has been poor compared to other recent ones.
He's not suggesting De Gea is another Foster either; he's merely saying that in the past people have made excuses for goalkeepers with the age thing and it's turned out to be invalid when that goalkeeper hasn't made it. Again, I don't expect it to be the case with De Gea since he's a far better goalkeeper now than Foster was and is, but the age things still not the best excuse.
Neither is the English football one either. The game may be more physical in some aspects, but he's had time to adjust to that and the other top goalkeepers have coped with it fine.
Keepers become more consistent as they get older. Kahn was incredible in 30's, Van Der Sar was great and the only error I can recall in his last few seasons was the WBA mistake, Schmeichel joined us in his late 20's/30's. Casillas and Buffon are exceptions to the rule but recently they've struggled. This is a completely different league too, referees and style's of Football need to be factored in.
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