I think that it's a similar case in regards to Rafa too. He's been brilliant for a long time now, yet he still doesn't get nearly enough recognition from the 'pundits'.Because he's had a shaky start with United. Once that happens, it always leaves a doubt in people's minds and it takes a long term to rectify that.
I guess that they'll both have to have a stormer against Madrid to gain they're approval..