David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

[ciderman9000000]

He could have parried it back out wide towards the guy who shot it at him, or in that vague direction, or up in the air in the direction he sent it in real life to give the other defenders a chance to get back.

This is bollocks though. The shot came across him towards the far post, so how the feck is he supposed to parry it back the way it came? Neither could he have sent it up in the air as there wasn't enough height on the shot to get under it in time. Any goalkeeper would need moves like Neo to do the things you describe, it's just not possible outside of science fiction. Seriously, you're talking through your arse, and to be honest with you, it fecking proper stinks.

 

[Brophs]

This is bollocks though. The shot came across him towards the far post, so how the feck is he supposed to parry it back the way it came?

Aye. If - and though I thought it at the time, that was harsh - you expect him to palm it away then the direction of the ball, his position and the players In the box meant it had to be palmed out in the direction of the right hand corner of the six yard box. It's the only safe option there.

 

[Escobar]

Difficult (if not impossible) to push the ball to any other direction from the short distance. It was a reflex safe and I would have hoped we were better in the build up and Evans would have kept running to stop Michu

 

[Adam-Utd]

DDG did all he could, it was up to vidic and evans to mark the man coming into the box and stop him getting on it first, they ended up ball watching and Michu grabbed it first.

Instead of vidic running towards routledge and trying to close him down, it would of been better to match Michus run.

Anyway all that should of been prevented by closing down the midfielder playing the pass, agustien had so much time to pick out his pass it was enevitable the goal would happen.

 

[kietotheworld]

It's a bit sad that people like kie will try to spin any goal around so it makes his hated player look poorm(and he hates quite a few United players from what I gather).

I don't hate De Gea at all, there's no-one who wants him to succeed more than I do. It's ridiculous the reaction one gets here if one even suggests he might be able to improve an area of his game.

He does parry the ball a lot, and it often goes to dangerous areas, this is something I've noticed in particular for De Gea and haven't noticed with other goalkeeper who I watch every week - van der Sar, for instance, rarely parried like that to my memory (although there was a spell in 2007 where he did it every week). As I've said more than once, I don't consider him most to blame for the goal, but directing where the ball goes after saving it is very important, and it's an area where it could do better.

Why this viewpoint is so incredibly offensive to people I have no idea. With the reaction I'm getting here I feel like I'm telling a fundamentalist church congregation that God is a cnut.

 

[Slevs]

De Gea wasn't at fault for their goal, let it go lads.

 

[Sarni]

That's because you're picking at him when there's really nothing there to put fault on him for. He saved a reasonably difficult shot and obviously couldn't get the rebound, the rebound which wouldn't have even taken place had defenders done their job properly. It wasn't De Gea's fault at all but you seem to complain a lot about United so I'm not really surprised.

He couldn't have possibly directed the parry in a better direction because it wasn't up to him. He got hands on it and the minute he did it was already done that he would point it across the goal. You seem to think that it's a chess game and he has time to decide and determine all vectors, look where the players are positioned and choose. He doesn't, he doesn't even know that Michu is there and for all he knows there have to be defenders in the box able to clear it once he parries it.

 

[I'm always right]

What Sarni said. It's just nitpicking and quite frankly silly when you expect anything more than a reaction save on a blasted shot from about 5 yards away.

Joe Hart is a big culprit of parrying shots from distance back into danger areas, I can't really say I've ever noticed it from DDG as you say.

 

[Sarni]

What Sarni said. It's just nitpicking and quite frankly silly when you expect anything more than a reaction save on a blasted shot from about 5 yards away.

Joe Hart is a big culprit of parrying shots from distance back into danger areas, I can't really say I've ever noticed it from DDG as you say.

Me neither. He has his weaknesses but it isn't one of them, when he parries the shot it usually lands far from the danger zone, unless he simply has no other choice. Like yesterday, for instance.

 

[Member 39557]

De Gea wasn't at fault for their goal, let it go lads.

Indeed. I would be more inclined to point the finger at Evans for ball watching and letting Michu run past him unhindered to get the rebound.

 

[OB]

It was very strange to hear the commentators blaming DDG for not pushing the ball away, and calling it amateur goalkeeping. As said, it was a reaction save, and he did all he could to save the ball. Definitely not his fault for the goal

 

[Adam-Utd]

Lindegaard did exactly the same thing with the dempsey goal against tottenham, when a shot is hit that hard at close range you have no chance of catching it, only blocking it.

 

[Snow]

What Sarni said. It's just nitpicking and quite frankly silly when you expect anything more than a reaction save on a blasted shot from about 5 yards away.

Joe Hart is a big culprit of parrying shots from distance back into danger areas, I can't really say I've ever noticed it from DDG as you say.

I think out of the top 10 goalkeepers in the PL last season, Joe Hart saved most shots back into danger zones.

 

[ciderman9000000]

I don't hate De Gea at all, there's no-one who wants him to succeed more than I do. It's ridiculous the reaction one gets here if one even suggests he might be able to improve an area of his game.

He does parry the ball a lot, and it often goes to dangerous areas, this is something I've noticed in particular for De Gea and haven't noticed with other goalkeeper who I watch every week - van der Sar, for instance, rarely parried like that to my memory (although there was a spell in 2007 where he did it every week). As I've said more than once, I don't consider him most to blame for the goal, but directing where the ball goes after saving it is very important, and it's an area where it could do better.

Why this viewpoint is so incredibly offensive to people I have no idea. With the reaction I'm getting here I feel like I'm telling a fundamentalist church congregation that God is a cnut.

You talk as if you're being perfectly reasonable in your criticism, but you're not, and that's why people are getting funny with you. It's weird to see a United fan so hell bent on singling a United player out for unjustified criticism at every opportunity, that's why people are treating you like a cnut, because it's just odd that you can claim to support our club and yet seemingly spend your entire life criticising.

 

[Steven Seagull]

He could have parried it back out wide towards the guy who shot it at him, or in that vague direction, or up in the air in the direction he sent it in real life to give the other defenders a chance to get back.

A perfect example of somebody who has never done any kind of physical activity, ladies and gents

 

[Gazza]

He chooses to align his viewpoints with the likes of Alan Hansen and Robbie Savage, using the get-out "Manchester Utd fans are biased, pundits are not"... I don't think Kie rates the Caf as on his level of objectivity. I'm ok with that.

 

[kietotheworld]

I am being reasonable in my criticism, some people can't handle it because they live in a bubble where the slightest constructive criticism of DDG is akin to being told another man has screwed your wife. A bubble where independent pundits talking honestly about the merits of a goalkeeper is symptomatic of a national conspiracy borne out of hate for Ferguson or xenophobia, or because Match of the Day commentators want to sell newspapers. It's you people who are the weirdos here, not me - I rate De Gea like a normal person does, you lot congregate in this thread and convince each other that he's brilliant and all criticism of him is completely unfair.

Now, I can accept that my rating of De Gea might be a bit too harsh or a bit too kind, like I can with any player, I can accept that I might be wrong without turning into a complete cnut over it. It says a lot about how insecure most people here are with regards to DDG that they can't react without resorting to personal abuse; had van der Sar conceded a goal like the one De Gea had and I mentioned that he could have done a bit better people might have reacted a bit differently, but nobody would have reacted with anything like the same venom they have in the last couple of days.

 

[Ruud10]

Your analysis, kie, of De Gea's play on the Swansea is a bit over the top, certainly far from reasonable.

 

[Gazza]

I am being reasonable in my criticism, some people can't handle it because they live in a bubble where the slightest constructive criticism of DDG is akin to being told another man has screwed your wife. A bubble where independent pundits talking honestly about the merits of a goalkeeper is symptomatic of a national conspiracy borne out of hate for Ferguson or xenophobia, or because Match of the Day commentators want to sell newspapers. It's you people who are the weirdos here, not me - I rate De Gea like a normal person does, you lot congregate in this thread and convince each other that he's brilliant and all criticism of him is completely unfair.

Now, I can accept that my rating of De Gea might be a bit too harsh or a bit too kind, like I can with any player, I can accept that I might be wrong without turning into a complete cnut over it. It says a lot about how insecure most people here are with regards to DDG that they can't react without resorting to personal abuse; had van der Sar conceded a goal like the one De Gea had and I mentioned that he could have done a bit better people might have reacted a bit differently, but nobody would have reacted with anything like the same venom they have in the last couple of days.

For the record, only a small proportion of people fit the description you've given here. No one really cares if some random on the internet has a warped opinion on a goalkeeper, but stop making yourself out to be a martyr. You are clearly in a minority regarding the goal against Swansea, a minority you share with Dean Sturridge and Robbie Savage. You deserve to have your opinion ridiculed if it's a ridiculous one.

 

[kietotheworld]

For the record, only a small proportion of people fit the description you've given here. No one really cares if some random on the internet has a warped opinion on a goalkeeper, but stop making yourself out to be a martyr. You are clearly in a minority regarding the goal against Swansea, a minority you share with Dean Sturridge and Robbie Savage. You deserve to have your opinion ridiculed if it's a ridiculous one.

I'm in a minority on this forum, but in real life I've seen nothing to indicate I'm in any sort of minority when it comes to DDG, in fact I'd say my opinion is pretty much in line with what most football fans think of him.

 

[Steven Seagull]

So you watch match of the day I imagine? You annoying fecker. Alan Shearer wears shit ties but my mom doesn't agree, doesn't mean she's not a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime

 

[Sarni]

I'm in a minority on this forum, but in real life I've seen nothing to indicate I'm in any sort of minority when it comes to DDG, in fact I'd say my opinion is pretty much in line with what most football fans think of him.

That's because most football fans you'll meet will be more than happy to have the exact same opinion as a pundit they listen to regularly because they either don't bother to shape their own one on the basis of what they see or are simply incapable of doing so.

 

[kietotheworld]

That's because most football fans you'll meet will be more than happy to have the exact same opinion as a pundit they listen to regularly because they either don't bother to shape their own one on the basis of what they see or are simply incapable of doing so.

If that's even true, why would pundits have an unfairly negative opinion of him?

 

[Gazza]

I'm in a minority on this forum, but in real life I've seen nothing to indicate I'm in any sort of minority when it comes to DDG, in fact I'd say my opinion is pretty much in line with what most football fans think of him.

I can't say anything as to who you encounter in your real life, but certainly you can't speak for "most football fans" (who does this include by the way? The fat bloke down the pub who watches MOTD like everyone else?). You also missed the point (again). I'm talking about the specific Swansea goal, not what people think of him generally.

 

[Amir]

If that's even true, why would pundits have an unfairly negative opinion of him?

Because he's had a shaky start with United. Once that happens, it always leaves a doubt in people's minds and it takes a long term to rectify that.

 

[Sarni]

Because he's had a shaky start with United. Once that happens, it always leaves a doubt in people's minds and it takes a long term to rectify that.

This.

 

[shaggy]

kietotheworld is an absolute bellend. He has some weird anti De Gea thing going in this thread. Perhaps De Gea could have done a bit better, who fecking knows, it's a type of goal that is conceded time after time and everybody moves on and forgets it. For some reason with De Gea every minuscule 'error' is highlighted out and used as evidence he is shit. He's a fecking quality keeper.

 

[kietotheworld]

I can't say anything as to who you encounter in your real life, but certainly you can't speak for "most football fans" (who does this include by the way? The fat bloke down the pub who watches MOTD like everyone else?). You also missed the point (again). I'm talking about the specific Swansea goal, not what people think of him generally.

It includes people "down the pub", it includes people online on other forums, it includes people I speak to in real life who support other football clubs, it includes pundits and commentators. The commentator on MotD last night was in concurrence with me about De Gea being able to do better, but that was dismissed as part of an anti-Ferguson agenda and a desire to sell newspapers in the bubble.

Because he's had a shaky start with United. Once that happens, it always leaves a doubt in people's minds and it takes a long term to rectify that.

Sure, but according to people on here he's been brilliant for nearly a year - how long does it take for him to be treated fairly?

kietotheworld is an absolute bellend. He has some weird anti De Gea thing going in this thread. Perhaps De Gea could have done a bit better, who fecking knows, it's a type of goal that is conceded time after time and everybody moves on and forgets it. For some reason with De Gea every minuscule 'error' is highlighted out and used as evidence he is shit. He's a fecking quality keeper.

I don't think he's shit at all, I think he's an above average Premier League goalkeeper with the potential to be excellent.

 

[Gazza]

It includes people "down the pub", it includes people online on other forums, it includes people I speak to in real life who support other football clubs, it includes pundits and commentators. The commentator on MotD last night was in concurrence with me about De Gea being able to do better, but that was dismissed as part of an anti-Ferguson agenda and a desire to sell newspapers in the bubble.

Forget the bubble and all that, no one cares.

So let me get this straight: you're talking about one MOTD commentator who agrees with you about the Swansea goal, and using that to support your claim that anyone who disagrees is too biased to make an objective judgment? I thought all these people you were talking about agree with you about the Swansea goal? Because so far you've only found one or two MOTD pundits to counter the wave of opinion that says DDG wasn't at fault.

 

[Fergies Gum]

Because he's had a shaky start with United. Once that happens, it always leaves a doubt in people's minds and it takes a long term to rectify that.

That is very true. I remember at the start United fans getting on his back after his shaky start at the club. Since then he has grown in confidence and has made some top class saves and had some very good performances in games.

I strongly believe he will go on to be a world class goalkeeper and will be the No 1 goalkeeper for United for years to come.

When Fergie kept on rotating the goalkeepers, i was concerned as we need a permanent number 1 who needs to be allowed to build a partnership between him and the defence and swapping the goalkeeper after 1 game does not help.

But it is good in a sense that both De Gea and Lindegaard have to play to their best because if they have a poor game, they know that they face competition and are not "undroppable".

De Gea has now started 4 games in a row so it looks like Fergie has stopped with the rotation for now.

 

[kietotheworld]

Forget the bubble and all that, no one cares.

So let me get this straight: you're talking about one MOTD commentator who agrees with you about the Swansea goal, and using that to support your claim that anyone who disagrees is too biased to make an objective judgment? I thought all these people you were talking about agree with you about the Swansea goal? Because so far you've only found one or two MOTD pundits to counter the wave of opinion that says DDG wasn't at fault.

I don't mind that people disagree with me about the parry, it's a debatable point, I'd never say that everyone who disagrees with me on a point like that is too biased to make a judgement, that would be absurd. I'd be happy to just agree to disagree on a point like that, the amount of abuse as a result of criticism is, however, a result of a disturbing lack of objectivity when it comes to De Gea.

 

[Gazza]

I don't mind that people disagree with me about the parry, it's a debatable point, I'd never say that everyone who disagrees with me on a point like that is too biased to make a judgement, that would be absurd. I'd be happy to just agree to disagree on a point like that, the amount of abuse as a result of criticism is, however, a result of a disturbing lack of objectivity when it comes to De Gea.

I think people found your stubbornness to cling to what most would say is an unreasonable point (regarding the Swansea goal) as indicative of a wider problem you have in being too eager to criticize DDG. I think that's entirely fair. "Abuse" is whatever, it's an internet forum and you'd have to be very precious to take it personally. Also, your point was that pundits are by definition better equipped to judge a player than a United fan, which is debatable at best and probably deserved to be shouted down. I think you probably know it too, but you're obviously entitled to stick to your opinion... I think everyone gets it by now, anyway.

 

[kietotheworld]

Do you really think fans of a particular football club are better suited to judge its players than neutral pundits? Does this apply to all fans in your eyes or just Manchester United fans?

 

[Irwinwastheking]

Do you really think fans of a particular football club are better suited to judge its players than neutral pundits? Does this apply to all fans in your eyes or just Manchester United fans?

Who was that then?

Also, if you didn't come across as the most contrary person on the forum, arguing with pretty much every standard opinion then you wouldn't receive the abuse you do.

 

[Gazza]

Do you really think fans of a particular football club are better suited to judge its players than neutral pundits? Does this apply to all fans in your eyes or just Manchester United fans?

It varies case to case, it would be stupid to make a definitive statement on that. Which pundits? Which supporters?

Most British TV pundits have very little to offer, insight-wise. United fans watch De Gea in all his matches, for the entire duration, and some are even capable of watching objectively and making reasonable observations. In the same way I can see Jamie Redknapp is speaking out of ignorance when he makes a statement, I can see when a rational Chelsea fan has something worthwhile to say about his team.

I thought you might be on a wind-up but now I'm genuinely not sure if you understand some of the points being made in this thread. But anyway, good luck to ye Kie, you certainly believe your own brand of logic.

 

[Steven Seagull]

feck me. This is mental. He's class, he makes a few mistakes. The end, no?

 

[Platato]

And I thought I was tedious

 

[Platato]

Saying a lot of people agree with you doesn't mean much if they're bellends themselves

 

[Suedesi]

Their goal it was Evans fault for not tracking back Mitchu.

 

[ciderman9000000]

I predict that DDG will have another good game tomorrow and then this kietotheworld cnut will be in here moaning like a fecking bitch, complaining about why he doesn't have supernatural powers just like all decent goalkeepers ought to.

Prick.