David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Plato said:
To be fair, on the "Yess" part, Tyler said Zabaletaa......"YESSSS". When I came back from the match, I thought Tyler simply said yes. The fact he started with Zabaleta makes it pretty harmless for me.

I try to tune out the commentators but Sky is one of the few ones I have trouble tuning out.

Yeah mate, the pub drives me insane at times. I honestly don't know where these lads get their info. It's troubling at times because it's incredibly inaccurate. It makes me think maybe there's a good pocket of fans that don't have the time to watch some United matches and therefore make comments about players which are no longer relevant (rafael is rash).
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They get their info from the knobhead media who beat everything up and spout wummy bollocks. I've all but stopped reading articles for myself now, really. Basically I read what is regurgitated on here and if I read something of genuine interest I go physically go looking for better sources on the issue. Shouldn't be like that.

I'm in Aus so I didn't have Tyler I had some other guy who was moaning the whole game about United in the ascendancy. (I know there are only a couple of feeds but I didn't get the tyler one)
 
ghaliboy said:
Mate, most games we watch these days they are always about 'the underdog' as they call it. But really a lot of pundits are just sick of seeing United win all the time. Mask this obvious ABU with a good feel good attitude about the underdog.

But you're right - the criticism of De Gea is just stupid. We've all got a bunch of mates who know feck all about football that are quick to stick the boot into him whenever the topic of football comes up in the pub.

Nothing takes the biscuit more than that comms in the City game hissing 'YESSSS' in the background when Pab Zab scored. Sometimes it borders on pathetic listening to their drivel as well.
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Yeah, got the impression Tyler really wanted City to win that game! Was going to say something about it on here but that sort of thing sometimes doesn't go down too well.
 
ghaliboy said:
They get their info from the knobhead media who beat everything up and spout wummy bollocks. I've all but stopped reading articles for myself now, really. Basically I read what is regurgitated on here and if I read something of genuine interest I go physically go looking for better sources on the issue. Shouldn't be like that.

I'm in Aus so I didn't have Tyler I had some other guy who was moaning the whole game about United in the ascendancy. (I know there are only a couple of feeds but I didn't get the tyler one)
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Well done! I've done the same and I'm much happier for it. I agree it shouldn't be like this but I'd rather not waste my time.
 
They briefly discussed DDG on the Footballers' Football Show with Brad Friedel who said the PL is the toughest league for a GK and that everyone was waiting for De Gea to make a mistake and they jumped on that mistake after the charity shield game. He said he's been very solid since January but that the press will pounce on his next mistake to make it difficult for him but credit to him on how he has performed.

Good to hear another GK notice that DDG has done well but the press have been and always will be cnuts who'll look to criticise his every mistake.
 
ha_rooney said:
They briefly discussed DDG on the Footballers' Football Show with Brad Friedel who said the PL is the toughest league for a GK and that everyone was waiting for De Gea to make a mistake and they jumped on that mistake after the charity shield game. He said he's been very solid since January but that the press will pounce on his next mistake to make it difficult for him but credit to him on how he has performed.

Good to hear another GK notice that DDG has done well but the press have been and always will be cnuts who'll look to criticise his every mistake.
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I have my doubts that Friedl was ever as good as De Gea is now. "Very solid" hardly begins to describe De Gea's play since returned from brief banishment.
 
Ruud10 said:
I have my doubts that Friedl was ever as good as De Gea is now. "Very solid" hardly begins to describe De Gea's play since returned from brief banishment.
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This is the problem for me there is no middle ground with DDG. Opinions are too polarised, we have the media waiting to knock him down yet we have fans who say things like Friedl was never as good as DDG is right now. Ruud that statement is so wrong on many levels. DDG has yet to get anywhere near Friedls level of GK this guy has been magnificent for years now. Hopefully he surpasses Brad F but he has a long way to go to achieve this.
 
Ruud10 said:
I have my doubts that Friedl was ever as good as De Gea is now. "Very solid" hardly begins to describe De Gea's play since returned from brief banishment.
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TBF, at least in almost every game against us he looked like a fecking Schmeichel
 
Lawman said:
This is the problem for me there is no middle ground with DDG. Opinions are too polarised, we have the media waiting to knock him down yet we have fans who say things like Friedl was never as good as DDG is right now. Ruud that statement is so wrong on many levels. DDG has yet to get anywhere near Friedls level of GK this guy has been magnificent for years now. Hopefully he surpasses Brad F but he has a long way to go to achieve this.
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Hardly magnificent. He has been a very solid prem goalie if anything. Magnificent would have got him a bigger move than Blackburn, Villa and Spurs. He is a good goalkeeper, i used to hate it when we played against him because he always upped his game. He certainly isn't and never was one of the beat in the world though. De gea isn't far off, and he is already a better shot stopper than the majority of goalkeepers in the world. The main weakness in ddg's game has been no issue as of late. He has looked much more comfortable dealing with crosses.
 
Lawman said:
This is the problem for me there is no middle ground with DDG. Opinions are too polarised, we have the media waiting to knock him down yet we have fans who say things like Friedl was never as good as DDG is right now. Ruud that statement is so wrong on many levels. DDG has yet to get anywhere near Friedls level of GK this guy has been magnificent for years now. Hopefully he surpasses Brad F but he has a long way to go to achieve this.
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What does that even mean?

It's wrong on one level, that's it.
 
Lawman said:
This is the problem for me there is no middle ground with DDG. Opinions are too polarised, we have the media waiting to knock him down yet we have fans who say things like Friedl was never as good as DDG is right now. Ruud that statement is so wrong on many levels. DDG has yet to get anywhere near Friedls level of GK this guy has been magnificent for years now. Hopefully he surpasses Brad F but he has a long way to go to achieve this.
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Considering that Freidl has failed to make a move to a top club and DDG has I'd beg to differ. Freidl is a good solid keeper, but he isn't worldclass. DDG is at least equal to him currently and has the potential to be far far better.

DDG is easily one of the best shot stoppers out there and has shown he is improving on his weaknesses. Freidl is a solid and reliable keeper, but won't pull off some of the saves that DDG can. DDG is the better keeper IMO out of the pair.
 
Can't believe there is that many that think DDG is already better than what Brad F was in his prime it's just wrong imo. Brad F was immense at one point DDG still has to reach that level!
 
Swaters16 said:
If anyone knows solid it is Brad though
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I'll readily concede that Friedl knows a lot more about goalkeeping than I do (or will), but if it's true that he said that De Gea has been "solid" doesn't that come across as somewhat understated, if not a tad jealous or even bitter?

Friedl has had a sensational career and still plays at a ridiculously high level, but I've listened to him quite a bit as a commentator on television. He's biased against United and is not at all generous in praise of other keepers. My opinion only, but IMHO we're witnessing something of a golden age in the depth of high quality keepers throughout Europe. I can't think of a single instance where Friedl has praised any other keeper except Casillas and Buffon. So I can't be sure what Friedl was thinking when he described De Gea as "solid", but that's a description that doesn't begin to justice to a keeper who was arguably United's best player in the second half of the 11-12 season and who made save after save that no keep in the prem, Friedl included, could not possibly dream. to be capable of making.
 
Lawman said:
Can't believe there is that many that think DDG is already better than what Brad F was in his prime it's just wrong imo. Brad F was immense at one point DDG still has to reach that level!
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So wrong, "on so many levels"! :smirk:

Friedl never had De Gea's shot blocking ability. And De Gea is arguably 6-8 years away from his prime. De Gea's strengths don't end there. Suffice is to say that Friedl himself was outstanding in his day, but he was never subjected to the physical and psychological pressures that De Gea has, and De Gea has exceeded all expectations...despite a back line which has made De Gea a sitting duck for long spells, yet he continued to put in performances that defied belief.
 
ha_rooney said:
They briefly discussed DDG on the Footballers' Football Show with Brad Friedel who said the PL is the toughest league for a GK and that everyone was waiting for De Gea to make a mistake and they jumped on that mistake after the charity shield game. He said he's been very solid since January but that the press will pounce on his next mistake to make it difficult for him but credit to him on how he has performed.

Good to hear another GK notice that DDG has done well but the press have been and always will be cnuts who'll look to criticise his every mistake.
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To be honest I'm not at all surprised that the goalkeeping union feel that way about De Gea. I'd even suspect Joe Hart would say something similar despite being a rival.

Its quite blatent that he hasnt got the credit he deserves
 
You think right now is a golden age for keepers? I can't think of a worse best goalkeeper than Casillas/post-injury Buffon in decades.

In the early 00s you had Buffon in his peak, then Kahn in the 90s, Schmeichel before that, Dasaev, Preud'homme, Southall and co. in the 80s...it wouldn't surprise me if it stretches back to the 60s, and most keepers were rubbish back then!
 
As for Friedel he's been a great gameraiser against us and consistant at the Blackburn/Villa level. He's obviously been far better on crosses than De Gea but other than that. De Gea really is special with his shot stopping, there are other keepers that have had that same talent but none of them are Friedel
 
Brwned said:
You think right now is a golden age for keepers? I can't think of a worse best goalkeeper than Casillas/post-injury Buffon in decades.

In the early 00s you had Buffon in his peak, then Kahn in the 90s, Schmeichel before that, Dasaev, Preud'homme, Southall and co. in the 80s...it wouldn't surprise me if it stretches back to the 60s, and most keepers were rubbish back then!
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I was referring to depth quality, not the best of the best. With respect to Casillas, I would agree with you that he's generally overrated. Casillas just can't make some of the saves that De Gea can, though you do have to admire persona in the box. How Freidl goes on about Casillas is the product of blindly following conventional wisdom, nothing more.
 
It's the same shit. Yet again.

"It's an awful error. He really should be parrying that away from goal and not into the danger area."

How many point blank saves do any keeper have a chance to direct away from goal from 3 or 4 yards at full kip. The panning is an utter embarrassment.
 
Big De Gea fan, may have been slightly out of position and overcovering his front post on the goal. Hence the save going into the middle. Wouldnt have mattered if the defenders in front of him were paying attention to the chance of a rebound.
 
I wouldn't say it was an awful error, but from what I've come to expect from DDG, I thought he should have been able to parry that to a safer position. But it was a difficult shot though.
 
What the feck was he supposed to do. The ball was drilled at him. It was Evra's horseshit defending which caused it. But oh no, let's blame the young Goalkeeper.
 
It was point blank. Goalkeepers can't really help where the ball ends up in a situation like that. If the defenders can't do their job then that's what will happen.
 
Point blank shots are very difficult to parry. It would be harsh to flog De Gea for the goal.

Surely Evra must take the whipping. Does anyone seriously disagree?
 
I thought he was good today, very decisive in everything he did and certainly not at fault for the goal.
 
Lynk said:
What the feck was he supposed to do. The ball was drilled at him. It was Evra's horseshit defending which caused it. But oh no, let's blame the young Goalkeeper.
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I don't know, honestly. Maybe I've built up some unrealistic expectations of him. I wasn't even worried when I saw then situation develop so it did shock me a bit that we conceded. But it was a really difficult shot to block and parry, but for some reason I expected him to be able to do it. Strange.
 
Ruud10 said:
Point blank shots are very difficult to parry. It would be harsh to flog De Gea for the goal.

Surely Evra must take the whipping. Does anyone seriously disagree?
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Thought it was a poor defense overall. Our midfield couldn't cope with Swansea in the first half. Vidic wasn't quick enough to adjust after Evans went out of defense to track his man. Evra missed his man. Lack of communication. And then Michu got ahead of Evans for the rebound.
 
I liked how on the first corner he shoved Evra and the Swansea player out of the way and claimed the ball with ease.

Nothing he could do about the goal, defence let him down again.
 
Snow said:
Thought it was a poor defense overall. Our midfield couldn't cope with Swansea in the first half. Vidic wasn't quick enough to adjust after Evans went out of defense to track his man. Evra missed his man. Lack of communication. And then Michu got ahead of Evans for the rebound.
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Agreed.

I've gone over the replay a few times on the goal (the magic of DVR). and you can see Evans went to sleep as well and left Michu wide open. When you're dealing with a know prolific scorer like Michu wouldn't you make it a top priority to snuff out all daylight?
 
Hes so unlucky. he should have had way more clean sheets than he has but lack of concentration from those in front have cost him some.

His command of the box is increasing it looks like which is great.
 
I'm always right said:
Bizarre to lay any blame at De Gea, it was point blank. Some idiots really don't understand football.
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On first viewing I thought he should have done better. When I saw it again I realised I'd been harsh as the shot was much fiercer that it looked to me, but on the basis of how good a shot stopper he is I think he's capable of having pushed that away to his right.
 
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