David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Amar__ said:
I know it is, but you all are also becoming quite annoying mentioning it in every thread.
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So what do you propose? Allowing these idiotic commentators to continue flogging De Gea when he makes one sensational save after another without any kind of rebuke whatsoever?

Maybe closing down redcafe is the place to start, if defending De Gea from stupidity is too much to bear.
 
Very good performance from him again. Made some nice saves and is starting to look good coming out and punching balls or catching crosses. We all knew he was very good at the first part, but it seems it is starting to click for him now in the air. Think it is three games in a row now that I've noticed him coming out and punching the ball away and we haven't seen him flap at a ball for a while either.
 
Dargonk said:
Very good performance from him again. Made some nice saves and is starting to look good coming out and punching balls or catching crosses. We all knew he was very good at the first part, but it seems it is starting to click for him now in the air. Think it is three games in a row now that I've noticed him coming out and punching the ball away and we haven't seen him flap at a ball for a while either.
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"Starting to"? It's been clicking for about 11 months now.

There's no keeper in the English prem I'd rather have playing for United than David De Gea. And I've come to the view there's no other keeper on the planet I'd rather have in a United jersey, though I really do like Neuer too.
 
Ruud10 said:
"Starting to"? It's been clicking for about 11 months now.

There's no keeper in the English prem I'd rather have playing for United than David De Gea. And I've come to the view there's no other keeper on the planet I'd rather have in a United jersey, though I really do like Neuer too.
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Was just referring to the coming out for crosses only, not his overall game. I'd agree that he has been very good for us for a long time now. Though at the beginning of the season I felt he was trying to hard to come out for crosses that he shouldn't be due to the media saying he was poor at them and as a result missing them. Last month or so that issue looks to be totally gone and he is looking much better coming and punching/catching balls into the box.
 
Dargonk said:
Was just referring to the coming out for crosses only, not his overall game. I'd agree that he has been very good for us for a long time now. Though at the beginning of the season I felt he was trying to hard to come out for crosses that he shouldn't be due to the media saying he was poor at them and as a result missing them. Last month or so that issue looks to be totally gone and he is looking much better coming and punching/catching balls into the box.
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Indeed. We're good.

A pity, though, that we'll have to endure mindless flogging of De Gea by the British media for quite sometime.
 
We've all seen this before. He plays a few good games, we hope he's the full time number 1, he either makes a mistake - as all young players do - or we defend badly and concede a few goals and he gets dropped.

Pretty frustrating and I don't really see that stopping either.
 
I don't think he'll be dropped this time. Lindegaard produced an awful performance against Reading. DDG will be retained.
 
There is no reason to drop him at all but that doesnt stop Fergie to do so. Hope he gets a couple of clean sheets now to keep building up his confidence
 
Looks good collecting crosses at the moment as well. It's apparent that he's worked on that part of his game very hard.
 
Watching Casillas yesterday reminded me just how flappy he still is at crosses even at 31. In the end this will make De Gea a better, more rounded keeper and by the time he's 25 he should be challenging for Spain's #1 spot.
 
Guys, why do we care about the English media so much? I just thought i'd mention it and then moan because you guys talking about it is annoying and people coming here and whinging about why people do it is not annoying at all. Guys, remember that.

:lol: There was a shot from McLean that was regulation and he went straight down on it and one of the comms said "Well he didn't look confident there De Gea".. :eek: it was a routine fecking save he just fell on fine.. :lol: it's true they are all so quick to rip on him.

Even when he gets a fist to something and punches it away. I'm constantly baffled by it.

However I like the fact that he's conscious of the nut shot as well. A couple of times he went down with angled legs and still saved despite blocking any possible nut shot. That last year I recall was a bit of a problem at one stage? That double save however was just so :drool: full extension to the left, recover and get out to block anything coming back across or into goal.

He's such a talent and to me, I give more of a feck that people don't rate him. Makes me laugh a little inside and just thing "yeah mate, keep bangin' on about it.. :rolleyes:"
 
ghaliboy said:
Guys, why do we care about the English media so much? I just thought i'd mention it and then moan because you guys talking about it is annoying and people coming here and whinging about why people do it is not annoying at all. Guys, remember that.

:lol: There was a shot from McLean that was regulation and he went straight down on it and one of the comms said "Well he didn't look confident there De Gea".. :eek: it was a routine fecking save he just fell on fine.. :lol: it's true they are all so quick to rip on him.

Even when he gets a fist to something and punches it away. I'm constantly baffled by it.

However I like the fact that he's conscious of the nut shot as well. A couple of times he went down with angled legs and still saved despite blocking any possible nut shot. That last year I recall was a bit of a problem at one stage? That double save however was just so :drool: full extension to the left, recover and get out to block anything coming back across or into goal.

He's such a talent and to me, I give more of a feck that people don't rate him. Makes me laugh a little inside and just thing "yeah mate, keep bangin' on about it.. :rolleyes:"
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It's really interesting though because most United fans (we're quite a critical bunch) know how good this kid is. Yet commentators and pundits look for the smallest of things that aren't even there. You sometimes wonder where they get these guys.
 
Plato said:
It's really interesting though because most United fans (we're quite a critical bunch) know how good this kid is. Yet commentators and pundits look for the smallest of things that aren't even there. You sometimes wonder where they get these guys.
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But it wasn't that long ago that a substantial number of caftards, though perhaps slightly less than a majority, kept banging on about how Lindegaard should the #1.

I have no problem with Lindegaard, but he's just nowhere near the class of De Gea.
 
Ruud10 said:
But it wasn't that long ago that a substantial number of caftards, though perhaps slightly less than a majority, kept banging on about how Lindegaard should the #1.

I have no problem with Lindegaard, but he's just nowhere near the class of De Gea.
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Last time De Gea has been dropped, I think that there were only 3 posters who said that Linde should be our No.1 .
 
Ruud10 said:
It was more than that. But whatever the number was, it surely must be down to ZERO now.
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I remember only kieththeworld, Orduck and Amir. Don't be sure about the last part, the next time De Gea makes a mistake someone here will say that Lindegaard is the better keeper. Total nonsense according to me, De Gea is much much better than him.
 
Revan said:
I remember only kieththeworld, Orduck and Amir. Don't be sure about the last part, the next time De Gea makes a mistake someone here will say that Lindegaard is the better keeper. Total nonsense according to me, De Gea is much much better than him.
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There are too many posters here for me to remember them all. But there was a time when quite a few posters here felt that Lindegaard should be our #1 now and let De Gea sit on the bench as a future prospect. It was also an emerging consensus on other United boards and among reader posts to MEN and other major newspapers.

It wasn't an unreasonable argument either. Lindegaard was the polished gem, while De Gea was a work in progress, though inevitably he'd be the better keeper. So the argument went.

Problem was, De Gea was ALREADY the better keeper, though some had a problem seeing it that way.
 
Ruud10 said:
It wasn't an unreasonable argument either. Lindegaard was the polished gem, while De Gea was a work in progress, though inevitably he'd be the better keeper. So the argument went.

Problem was, De Gea was ALREADY the better keeper, though some had a problem seeing it that way.
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That was the bit I couldn't never understand though. I don't think that Lindegaard is the polished gem and in fact he has played less professional games than De Gea, and most of these matches were in Norway. He was older but not more developed or experienced, and in no way better.
 
De Gea has been in excellent form the last couple of games and as such deserves to keep his place for the moment, if his form drops again then Lindegaard should be played instead. Only an idiot would completely change his mind on the strength of two or three games.
 
Revan said:
That was the bit I couldn't never understand though. I don't think that Lindegaard is the polished gem and in fact he has played less professional games than De Gea, and most of these matches were in Norway. He was older but not more developed or experienced, and in no way better.
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It was blindness. The notion that a 20 year old keeper could already be world class was too much to bear for some people, so they naturally retreated to their comfort zone and joined the flogging of De Gea that became the national pastime of Britain even among United supporters. Lindegaard easily passed the laugh test and thus suddenly became the polished gem, even though he was never anything more than a handsome Roy Carroll. Which is only to say that Lindegaard is a terrific backup keeper to have on the squad but he's barely good enough to polish De Gea's boots.
 
kietotheworld said:
De Gea has been in excellent form the last couple of games and as such deserves to keep his place for the moment, if his form drops again then Lindegaard should be played instead. Only an idiot would completely change his mind on the strength of two or three games.
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Two weeks ago you said that Lindeegard should keep his place as No.1 though. Also, I don't think that it had only to do with form what De Gea has done in our last 2 matches, he practically was in this kind of form since the game versus Liverpool in FA. Also, if the form drops (in De Gea's case that means if he makes a mistake or in some cases if Vidic makes a mistake while De Gea is near him) then he should not be dropped. Every keeper makes mistakes, and give me an 'off-form' De Gea before an 'on-form' Lindeegard every day of the week, unless that day somehow manages to be a day when we are playing a totally non-important match.
 
Ruud10 said:
It was blindness. The notion that a 20 year old keeper could already be world class was too much to bear for some people, so they naturally retreated to their comfort zone and joined the flogging of De Gea that became the national pastime of Britain even among United supporters. Lindegaard easily passed the laugh test and thus suddenly became the polished gem, even though he was never anything more than a handsome Roy Carroll. Which is only to say that Lindegaard is a terrific backup keeper to have on the squad but he's barely good enough to polish De Gea's boots.
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Last bit may be true down the road but, right now it's simply not.
 
david de gea is going to be an incredible goalkeeper. amazing how he uses different kind of way just to stop the ball, leg, shoulder, anything. english pundits certainly didn't like this although they should realize that since the days of banks, shilton, clemence, seaman they never really produces top class keeper anymore. hart is on his way but still need to prove himself at the highest level for another few years before he can be on par with the buffons or cassilas.

the british media hates him because he is a united GK, cost us 17 million, only 21 years old of age, has a spiky mohawk rather than a crew cut, not as tall as van der sar or cech, and not heavily built like schmeichel.
 
Plato said:
It's really interesting though because most United fans (we're quite a critical bunch) know how good this kid is. Yet commentators and pundits look for the smallest of things that aren't even there. You sometimes wonder where they get these guys.
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Mate, most games we watch these days they are always about 'the underdog' as they call it. But really a lot of pundits are just sick of seeing United win all the time. Mask this obvious ABU with a good feel good attitude about the underdog.

But you're right - the criticism of De Gea is just stupid. We've all got a bunch of mates who know feck all about football that are quick to stick the boot into him whenever the topic of football comes up in the pub.

Nothing takes the biscuit more than that comms in the City game hissing 'YESSSS' in the background when Pab Zab scored. Sometimes it borders on pathetic listening to their drivel as well.
 
Shimo said:
Last bit may be true down the road but, right now it's simply not.
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It simply is.

There is no aspect of a keeper's game where Lindegaard is better than De Gea right now. And De Gea is light years ahead of Lindegaard in shot stopping and distribution.

Nevertheless, Lindegaard is a quality backup keeper.
 
ricky-romeo said:
david de gea is going to be an incredible goalkeeper. amazing how he uses different kind of way just to stop the ball, leg, shoulder, anything. english pundits certainly didn't like this although they should realize that since the days of banks, shilton, clemence, seaman they never really produces top class keeper anymore. hart is on his way but still need to prove himself at the highest level for another few years before he can be on par with the buffons or cassilas.

the british media hates him because he is a united GK, cost us 17 million, only 21 years old of age, has a spiky mohawk rather than a crew cut, not as tall as van der sar or cech, and not heavily built like schmeichel.
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British media = fools.
 
I hope that he'll play a majority of the games over this busy Christmas period, maybe rotated for one game or something. He'll benefit so much from having a consistent run of games, plus a hopefully more stable back line with Vidic coming back.
 
Ruud10 said:
But it wasn't that long ago that a substantial number of caftards, though perhaps slightly less than a majority, kept banging on about how Lindegaard should the #1.

I have no problem with Lindegaard, but he's just nowhere near the class of De Gea.
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To be fair though, no one said the rubbish I've heard on TV. When De Gea punches the ball well he gets rightly praised on here. The loons with the microphones still find something to criticize.
 
ricky-romeo said:
david de gea is going to be an incredible goalkeeper. amazing how he uses different kind of way just to stop the ball, leg, shoulder, anything. english pundits certainly didn't like this although they should realize that since the days of banks, shilton, clemence, seaman they never really produces top class keeper anymore. hart is on his way but still need to prove himself at the highest level for another few years before he can be on par with the buffons or cassilas.

the british media hates him because he is a united GK, cost us 17 million, only 21 years old of age, has a spiky mohawk rather than a crew cut, not as tall as van der sar or cech, and not heavily built like schmeichel.
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Yep. You said it. He doesn't fit the bill to what they think makes a good keeper.

By the way, I may be in the minority but I think Hart is at best a good keeper. I think we overrate him too much simply because he's English. He's let in howlers that De Gea would be crucified for.
 
ghaliboy said:
Mate, most games we watch these days they are always about 'the underdog' as they call it. But really a lot of pundits are just sick of seeing United win all the time. Mask this obvious ABU with a good feel good attitude about the underdog.

But you're right - the criticism of De Gea is just stupid. We've all got a bunch of mates who know feck all about football that are quick to stick the boot into him whenever the topic of football comes up in the pub.

Nothing takes the biscuit more than that comms in the City game hissing 'YESSSS' in the background when Pab Zab scored. Sometimes it borders on pathetic listening to their drivel as well.
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To be fair, on the "Yess" part, Tyler said Zabaletaa......"YESSSS". When I came back from the match, I thought Tyler simply said yes. The fact he started with Zabaleta makes it pretty harmless for me.

I try to tune out the commentators but Sky is one of the few ones I have trouble tuning out.

Yeah mate, the pub drives me insane at times. I honestly don't know where these lads get their info. It's troubling at times because it's incredibly inaccurate. It makes me think maybe there's a good pocket of fans that don't have the time to watch some United matches and therefore make comments about players which are no longer relevant (rafael is rash).
 
ghaliboy said:
Guys, why do we care about the English media so much? I just thought i'd mention it and then moan because you guys talking about it is annoying and people coming here and whinging about why people do it is not annoying at all. Guys, remember that.

:lol: There was a shot from McLean that was regulation and he went straight down on it and one of the comms said "Well he didn't look confident there De Gea".. :eek: it was a routine fecking save he just fell on fine.. :lol: it's true they are all so quick to rip on him.

Even when he gets a fist to something and punches it away. I'm constantly baffled by it.

However I like the fact that he's conscious of the nut shot as well. A couple of times he went down with angled legs and still saved despite blocking any possible nut shot. That last year I recall was a bit of a problem at one stage? That double save however was just so :drool: full extension to the left, recover and get out to block anything coming back across or into goal.

He's such a talent and to me, I give more of a feck that people don't rate him. Makes me laugh a little inside and just thing "yeah mate, keep bangin' on about it.. :rolleyes:"
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Did you decorate this post for Christmas?
 
I think that De Gea is too harshly criticised by the so called pundits. He is young and improving all the time. The great keepers (Schmeicel and Van Der Sar) were played in almost every game and we could appreciate just how good they were.

If we continue to play De Gea i think he will one day be considered alongside the greats mentioned above.

We should continue to be unwaivering in our support for both De Gea and Lindegaard. Both are technically very good and given enough game time will improve there confidence and then entire back four will be a better unit.
 
Revan said:
Two weeks ago you said that Lindeegard should keep his place as No.1 though. Also, I don't think that it had only to do with form what De Gea has done in our last 2 matches, he practically was in this kind of form since the game versus Liverpool in FA. Also, if the form drops (in De Gea's case that means if he makes a mistake or in some cases if Vidic makes a mistake while De Gea is near him) then he should not be dropped. Every keeper makes mistakes, and give me an 'off-form' De Gea before an 'on-form' Lindeegard every day of the week, unless that day somehow manages to be a day when we are playing a totally non-important match.
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Yeah, then he had a mare against Reading and De Gea got a shot, it seems fair enough to me. If he keeps playing this well for an extended period then it may represent a genuine significant improvement in his abilities rather than just a period of good form, in which case we could probably forgive a couple of errors, but if he starts playing like Barthez at his worst again in the next couple of games then Lindegaard should get another shot. Off form De Gea is a complete liability.
 
Just like any keeper is a complete liability when off form.DDG has rarely cost the team points, in your attempt to praise you cannot hide that you dislike him for whatever reason.
In every single aspect he's already better than Lindegaard
 
kietotheworld said:
Yeah, then he had a mare against Reading and De Gea got a shot, it seems fair enough to me. If he keeps playing this well for an extended period then it may represent a genuine significant improvement in his abilities rather than just a period of good form, in which case we could probably forgive a couple of errors, but if he starts playing like Barthez at his worst again in the next couple of games then Lindegaard should get another shot. Off form De Gea is a complete liability.
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Don't think De Gea has had one game for us anything like Barthez at his worst. Harsh, but you are obviously not too keen on the lad.
 
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