We better hope its a policy he does not intend to stick to. Every fecking player makes mistakes and have bad games. Dropping them is never the solution.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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We better hope its a policy he does not intend to stick to. Every fecking player makes mistakes and have bad games. Dropping them is never the solution.
Kraftwerker
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Unbelievable that Fergie would say that.
Hope he's played this one right.
Hope he's played this one right.
Snow
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He isn't dropping DDG because of the goal. Of course not. That would be seriously stupid. He most likely decided this goal keeper lineup a while a go. He'd be very stupid to drop him because of that poor run clearance attempt as he had been keeping them team in the Everton game and making sure Fulham didn't go ahead as well.
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He isn't playing? Surely there's got to be something extra here, maybe an injury or something? I really can't believe we're just dropping him.
He isn't dropping DDG because of the goal. Of course not. That would be seriously stupid. He most likely decided this goal keeper lineup a while a go.
Unless Fergie himself in the interview said he dropped him for the mistake.
noodlehair
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Lindegaard is a good keeper.
He's dropped De Gea to let him know he can't afford to keep being a complete fecking fanny in games if he wants to be first choice.
Don't really see the problem with it.
He's dropped De Gea to let him know he can't afford to keep being a complete fecking fanny in games if he wants to be first choice.
Don't really see the problem with it.
Snow
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Unless Fergie himself in the interview said he dropped him for the mistake.
Can find no such thing on any site. Where are those quotes?
Ole's_toe_poke
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Can find no such thing on any site. Where are those quotes?
He said it in the prematch interview to Sky.
OB
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Honestly, i don't mind seeing Andres in goal. He's done nothing wrong, and he deseves to play in the PL too. Just because DDG is the promising one, doesn't mean he can get away with anything. He needs the pressure to konw that his position is not fixed in here. He can't afford to make such mistakes.
The dropping will act like a punishment for him, so he knows he has to be more carefull, or else he'll be dropped.
Andres has done very well, and not made much mistakes, so why shouldn't he get games. If we have this mentality, Andres just won't start any PL game. Plus as i said, he's done very well, and deserves starts.
I don't get the fuss on it
The dropping will act like a punishment for him, so he knows he has to be more carefull, or else he'll be dropped.
Andres has done very well, and not made much mistakes, so why shouldn't he get games. If we have this mentality, Andres just won't start any PL game. Plus as i said, he's done very well, and deserves starts.
I don't get the fuss on it
Erictheking7
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Poor decision IMO. Does that mean we will now swap keepers after every time one makes a mistake? This could end up the same as the Carroll, Howard situation where we ended up with 2 keepers whose confidence were shot to bits.
Snow
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Honestly, i don't mind seeing Andres in goal. He's done nothing wrong, and he deseves to play in the PL too. Just because DDG is the promising one, doesn't mean he can get away with anything. He needs the pressure to konw that his position is not fixed in here. He can't afford to make such mistakes.
The dropping will act like a punishment for him, so he knows he has to be more carefull, or else he'll be dropped.
Andres has done very well, and not made much mistakes, so why shouldn't he get games. If we have this mentality, Andres just won't start any PL game. Plus as i said, he's done very well, and deserves starts.
I don't get the fuss on it
You don't get the fuss? Remember our team last season with all the rotating?
He hardly had much to do wrong last season. He was averaging a little over 1 save per game in his first 5 games or so. He didn't play much more after the City game. DDG is just so much better with the ball at his feet than Lindegaard. It's as close as having VDS as you get really and it really helps the team against a club like Southampton.
Instead he picks Lindegaard as "a lesson" because he knows that Lindegaard will have really little to do in the match. He is however only an average keeper who's only good enough to be backup here. That's clear as day.
In the recent games he's made a worse mistake than DDG and not much good. That's the thing with Lindegaard. Hard to point out what he's done wrong but also hard to point out much good he's done because he's done so little.
Snow
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He said it in the prematch interview to Sky.
Guess I'll have to wait for it then.
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Hmm, looking a pretty good decision this. For example, we haven't missed De Gea's distribution at all.
Randall Flagg
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Hmm, looking a pretty good decision this. For example, we haven't missed De Gea's distribution at all.
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Who says De Gea has been dropped anyway? Maybe it was just time to give Lindegard a go?
Randall Flagg
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Who says De Gea has been dropped anyway? Maybe it was just time to give Lindegard a go?
Fergie did.
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who says de gea has been dropped anyway? Maybe it was just time to give lindegard a go?
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Who says De Gea has been dropped anyway? Maybe it was just time to give Lindegard a go?
Sir Alex did.
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Sarcastic?
At that point it was only minor snark, now it's massive sarcasm. Lindegaard constantly gives the ball away, it's ridiculous, and even lead directly to their goal.
Randall Flagg
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It may well work. Again we have no idea of anything behind the scenes. Maybe DDG needed a kick up the arse.
Lindegaards kicking has been awful so far, so I expect him to return in the next game
Lindegaards kicking has been awful so far, so I expect him to return in the next game
Trigg
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Chopping and changing goalkeepers like we did last season is just idiotic and causes more problems than it solves. Football is about partnerships and none are more important that then2 defenders and goalkeeper. To change when its unforced is just daft in my opinion.
Hope it's not the start of a trend.
Hope it's not the start of a trend.
Snow
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It may well work. Again we have no idea of anything behind the scenes. Maybe DDG needed a kick up the arse.
Lindegaards kicking has been awful so far, so I expect him to return in the next game
He will return in the next game.
"It's just a learning process for him and he'll be back in a couple of weeks' time."
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Sir Alex did.
Right. I hadn't heard that.
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DDG should start...Lindegaards distribution is some of the worst I have ever seen, and there's nothing to suggest he is actually THAT much better then DDG.
Vibhas
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DDG should start...Lindegaards distribution is some of the worst I have ever seen, and there's nothing to suggest he is actually THAT much better then DDG.
There's nothing to suggest that he's not a worse player than De Gea.
By the time De Gea is 24 or 25, De Gea will be one of the top 3 GK's in the world, and Lindegaard will be one of the top 40.
In my mind, there's no doubt De Gea is already one of the top 5 or 6 GK's in the world.
Everyone here rates Cech massively, but he's making mistakes every 3rd or 4th game. Reina's shite. Only perhaps Hart and Cech are on the same level as De Gea in this league (No, Vorm and Krul aren't that great). Buffon's better most likely, in the Serie A (But again, there's no one else there), and obviously Saint Iker in Spain whose the best of the lot. Neuer has brilliant games and he has shit games; but his shit games are very very common. Ridiculously so.
1) Casillas
2) Buffon
3/4/5/6/7
could really be in any order imo. Cech, De Gea, Hart, Neuer < unordered but all are 3-7 in the world now. (Maybe Lloris, but he hasn't played in a massive league yet, so we'll wait and see).
I also know which one I'd rather have actually saving shots; De Gea's a fecking cat.
Orton
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You noticed a world of difference out there today when it comes to a goalkeepers distribution. De Gea can pick out a man quite comfortably, or stick the ball into a good area for our forward players to attack and we didn't have any of that today. Lindegaard's kicking was terrible in the first half and kept the pressure on our defence.
Harsh but true. DDG is the best shot stopper in the league right now but he is simply not going to survive in the English game unless he starts controlling the pen area when it comes to the crosses or aerial balls.Lindegaard is a good keeper.
He's dropped De Gea to let him know he can't afford to keep being a complete fecking fanny in games if he wants to be first choice.
Don't really see the problem with it.
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Everyone here rates Cech massively
This isn't 2007.
Vibhas
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This isn't 2007.
After the CL final it was 'Him, and Casillas' as the best 2 GK's in the world.
Okay, he made a massive performance on the world stage, but i think it's pretty darn stupid to just quote one sentence out of many, and pretty much not give a feck about the main point of the paragraph(s).
The point I was trying to make is, De Gea's one of the best 7 or 8 GK's in the world, and possibly the 3rd best; why the feck do people want to drop him for someone whose no-where near that level?
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After the CL final it was 'Him, and Casillas' as the best 2 GK's in the world.
Okay, he made a massive performance on the world stage, but i think it's pretty darn stupid to just quote one sentence out of many, and pretty much not give a feck about the main point of the paragraph(s).
The point I was trying to make is, De Gea's one of the best 7 or 8 GK's in the world, and possibly the 3rd best; why the feck do people want to drop him for someone whose no-where near that level?
As much as I rate De Gea highly, he's nowhere near top 3 GK's in the world. He still has a long way to go until he's at that level in my opinion.
marjen
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My verdict on this goalkeeping experiment:
Anders Lindegaard had a pretty poor experience, his kicking was awful, and I'd guess his confidence is probably a bit shaken after not making the most of that opportunity.
David De Gea has probably got a bit shaken as well, since he's about the one thing stopping us from having 0 points and a -13 goal difference after two games, only for him to be dropped for someone who manages to have a negative impact on our ability to control possession - from a goalkeeping position.
Effectively, I'd say Fergie's fecked both our GK's confidence in one fell swoop - Howoll-esque this one.
Anders Lindegaard had a pretty poor experience, his kicking was awful, and I'd guess his confidence is probably a bit shaken after not making the most of that opportunity.
David De Gea has probably got a bit shaken as well, since he's about the one thing stopping us from having 0 points and a -13 goal difference after two games, only for him to be dropped for someone who manages to have a negative impact on our ability to control possession - from a goalkeeping position.
Effectively, I'd say Fergie's fecked both our GK's confidence in one fell swoop - Howoll-esque this one.
paceme
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3rd best in the world? Not even close, he can get to that level but at the moment teams just have to put a few men around him at set pieces and he is useless.
KanieKaned
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Lindegaard is a good keeper.
He's dropped De Gea to let him know he can't afford to keep being a complete fecking fanny in games if he wants to be first choice.
Don't really see the problem with it.
Hopefully it works he just needs to butcher whoever tries getting in his way. I know Big Pete was enormous in every way but he wouldn't hesitate in going through you and then he'd bollock ya for being in the way in the first place.
His shits gotta get scary.
Relevated
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De Gea doesn't choose to make mistakes in game, he needs time to be consistently good and he won't be doing that from the bench.
Drainy
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De Gea doesn't choose to make mistakes in game, he needs time to be consistently good and he won't be doing that from the bench.
My feeling is that Sir Alex thinks the mistake came from complacency and a lack of concentration, rather than flaws in his technique.
Dropping him is a kick up the arse to say if you don't focus at all times there's another goalkeeper who can do the job.
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Ferguson put in him and out of the team last year and it was to the detriment of both De Gea and the team. When he had a run in the team, he was very good. This season so far, he was brilliant against Everton but made one pretty bad mistake against Fulham in a game in which he was pretty good also. I don't think dropping him was the answer, but I'm sure Ferguson knows what he is at.
You forgot to mention Handanovič, it's not without a reason that appart from Buffon and his legacy he is regarded as the best GK in Serie A for about 2 seasons now.There's nothing to suggest that he's not a worse player than De Gea.
By the time De Gea is 24 or 25, De Gea will be one of the top 3 GK's in the world, and Lindegaard will be one of the top 40.
In my mind, there's no doubt De Gea is already one of the top 5 or 6 GK's in the world.
Everyone here rates Cech massively, but he's making mistakes every 3rd or 4th game. Reina's shite. Only perhaps Hart and Cech are on the same level as De Gea in this league (No, Vorm and Krul aren't that great). Buffon's better most likely, in the Serie A (But again, there's no one else there), and obviously Saint Iker in Spain whose the best of the lot. Neuer has brilliant games and he has shit games; but his shit games are very very common. Ridiculously so.
1) Casillas
2) Buffon
3/4/5/6/7
could really be in any order imo. Cech, De Gea, Hart, Neuer < unordered but all are 3-7 in the world now. (Maybe Lloris, but he hasn't played in a massive league yet, so we'll wait and see).
I also know which one I'd rather have actually saving shots; De Gea's a fecking cat.
You may think I'm biased but there are several players and managers that agree with this, I also remember Zola specificaly stating Handanovič is hands down the #1 GK in Serie A, I know he's not that very well known around here due to playing for a smaller club like Udinese, but he's one of the main reasons Udinese kept climbing up the ladder in the league for the past couple of years, and now he's displaced Cesar at Inter, although granted wasn't really up to his standards last year, but still if nothing else he atleast deserves a shout, because he's in the top 10 GKs in the world easily.
As for De Gea, I don't know where to rank him, but I have a pretty good feeling he'll be a top top goalkeeper for us, and who knows, maybe one day #1 in the world.
Grunge
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Lindegaard is a good keeper.
He's dropped De Gea to let him know he can't afford to keep being a complete fecking fanny in games if he wants to be first choice.
Don't really see the problem with it.
This pretty much sums it up.
Don't forget both keepers are just "kids" learning their craft. DG won't spit the dummy out and knows he can't rely on Lindgarde getting another injury to guarantee his place. As a result look for him to be working a little harder in practice and learning not to take playing for MUFC for granted.
Reapersoul20
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3rd best in the world is absolutely, outrageously ridiculous to claim.
He is a young, inconsistent keeper who frequently makes mistakes, is dodgy under a high ball and not strong enough to boss the box. To claim he is anywhere near 3rd best in the world beggars belief.
He is also blessed with a lot of potential and very good shot stopping ability, so perhaps in a few years it won't be as mad a claim, but as things stand he is not at that level. Yet.
He is a young, inconsistent keeper who frequently makes mistakes, is dodgy under a high ball and not strong enough to boss the box. To claim he is anywhere near 3rd best in the world beggars belief.
He is also blessed with a lot of potential and very good shot stopping ability, so perhaps in a few years it won't be as mad a claim, but as things stand he is not at that level. Yet.
Snow
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This pretty much sums it up.
Don't forget both keepers are just "kids" learning their craft. DG won't spit the dummy out and knows he can't rely on Lindgarde getting another injury to guarantee his place. As a result look for him to be working a little harder in practice and learning not to take playing for MUFC for granted.
Lindegaard is 28 though. When he played his first senior game at age 22, DDG had some experience with the U-15 and U-17 side, 16 years old.
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