David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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More you look, more it looks a foul. Petric clearly barges into him as he comes for it. They are usually given.
 
mightberight said:
No we don't, VDS was a stick insect too and managed just fine. He just needs time.
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Van Der Sar was 4 inches taller and had a much bigger reach, that kind of height advantage is a game changer, De Gea needs to become more powerful and start timing his movements better. A lot of his problem is due to arriving late and expecting to knock players out of the way, he needs to get there earlier and force them to knock him out of the way like Van Der Sar used to do.
 
Just watched MOTD with my unbiased dad and the first thing he said was that he thought it to be a foul against de Gea by Petric as well. Certainly seen them given before.
 
mightberight said:
No we don't, VDS was a stick insect too and managed just fine. He just needs time.
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We definitely need to make De Gea more imposing somehow.

For me, he is not strong enough in aerial challenges as it stands, whether that be because he's hesitant or not the complete physical specimen yet. VDS was huge - I don't think it's the best comparison. There is no way he would've got shat on by Petric like that. Really though, he's a stunning talent - one of the best in the world of his age, in my opinion.

Edit: Despite this, I think it was a foul on De Gea.
 
nemanja15 said:
Just watched MOTD with my unbiased dad and the first thing he said was that he thought it to be a foul against de Gea by Petric as well. Certainly seen them given before.
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I thought it was a clear foul on the keeper.
 
SteveJ said:
You know, the co-commentator on my stream called DDG's neat piece of dribbling skill 'lucky'. Yes, it's always a great idea to use scouse or cockney pundits for United games. *rolls eyes*
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imagine joe hart doing that. maybe the commentators will go crazy with joy and say, "yeah, that's what the best goalie in the world does".

about the vidic OG, from the first replay i could sense that it should have been a foul on de gea. petric just barge into him with no attempt of winning the ball whatsoever. and the commentators didn't even mentioned it at all, instead slating de gea as a weak goalkeeper. he could do nothing right in the eyes of so called english footballing experts it seems.
 
It's bollocks, the media have made a big issue about how De Gea can't handle crosses and so refs seem determined not to give him any extra protection. Opposition players aren't even being subtle about it anymore. He got bashed by Fellaini last week and nothing was given and now this.
 
You think if it had been any other keeper it would've been given as a foul?
 
he was not convincing enough, when he came out and was easily brushed aside. I have seen keepers put their body on line in such situations.

Whoever was at fault today, one thing is for sure he has a problem with crosses and balls in the air.

Excellent shot stopper though.
 
i think sir alex needs to address the protection de gea needs in his press conferences. he used to do that with ronaldo, saying a player like ronaldo needs extra protection from the referees. whether it works or not at least he is playing with the minds of the referees. he could easily used 2 examples from the first 2 games of this season. fellaini elbowing de gea and gets away with it. and now the petric incident as well. if he keeps on mentioning this every week it could kind of help de gea a bit, just maybe.
 
To balance out the 'he's so crap at crosses that it probably wasn't a foul' stigma of the refs. Nice.
 
Personally after seeing that he has put on a bit of muscle compared to last season I was hoping that he would start clattering people when it came to crosses. For me he's still a tad timid on some crosses once he starts asserting himself and committing fully when he comes for the ball he will start dominating his area.

Pretty much everything else in his game is brilliant for his age. He just needs to come out and say I'm having this and if I don't I will probably smash you and get a free kick for me out of it. Hes a big lad he just needs a bit more confidence in that department, it probably doesn't help that teams play on this pretty much week in week out. Clattering a couple of lads will start making people think twice about getting too close to him. Big Pete had that presence mind you he was a lot wider but ya see what I'm saying.
 
SteveJ said:
You know, the co-commentator on my stream called DDG's neat piece of dribbling skill 'lucky'. Yes, it's always a great idea to use scouse or cockney pundits for United games. *rolls eyes*
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That guy was a fecking moron all game.

"VERY BIZARRE FROM DE GEA THERE TO PUNCH THAT AND NOT CATCH IT" (in reference to the 95th minute point blank save from a header). feck off you thick twat.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
That guy was a fecking moron all game.

"VERY BIZARRE FROM DE GEA THERE TO PUNCH THAT AND NOT CATCH IT" (in reference to the 95th minute point blank save from a header). feck off you thick twat.
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That went about 30 yards up the field and almost out for a throw. Commentator was a complete dick.

Regarding the media view that "he is shite at crosses, so it's not a foul", it definitely seems to be the case that he can be run into, blocked and hit without it being a foul, whereas in 90% of other games the slightest touch on a keeper is usually a foul.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Personally i dont really now what happened to vidic there, if you watch him, he almost jumps and then falls over? i dont know if he completely misjudges the cross but if he doesn't jump forward there would be no risk of him kicking it in with his heel.

I thought at first he was pushed by the striker, but its just an odd goal all round.

Anyway all that matters is the 3 points. DDG saved us at the end with the ruiz header, he more than made up for that goal throughout the game.
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Fulham had the tap in regardless.
 
Baxter said:
That went about 30 yards up the field and almost out for a throw. Commentator was a complete dick.

Regarding the media view that "he is shite at crosses, so it's not a foul", it definitely seems to be the case that he can be run into, blocked and hit without it being a foul, whereas in 90% of other games the slightest touch on a keeper is usually a foul.
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Probably the same reason Welbeck getting his feet kicked under by the last man vs Everton (when it was 0-0), not being a foul + red card (clearly it was a red card on the replay!); because everyone knows that Welbeck can't finish so it's not a foul ;/
 
ricky-romeo said:
who is that guy? he was very annoying through out the game.
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Thought it was Tony Gale he kept going on and on about Demble. He had quite a few digs at Vidic also. But he praised Valencia non stop also!
 
Vibhas said:
Fulham had the tap in regardless.
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To be fair to Vidic he has only just came back from a long term injury and we are playing him through needs must! His timing is slightly off and his speed of thought not quite there yet! He will soon be back to being the top defender in the league in about 10 games or so!
 
Lawman said:
To be fair to Vidic he has only just came back from a long term injury and we are playing him through needs must! His timing is slightly off and his speed of thought not quite there yet! He will soon be back to being the top defender in the league in about 10 games or so!
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I'm not criticizing Vidic. I'm saying that even if Vidic misses the ball completely, Fulham had around a 90% chance of getting the tap in, regardless. The Fulham lad was running in in case DDg/Vidic/Petric missed.

In fact, in another post, I said we obviously need to play Vidic (as we have no centre halves) with another CB ASAP, and have Carrick ahead of them, so that we can bring Vidic back more gently, because he's imperative for us in Europe.

It may eventually work out in our favour to have so many injuries (ensuring Vidic is played back to fitness, instead of SAF keeping him on the bench!); but had Rio not been injured, we would've been playing Vidic/Rio with Carrick ahead of them albeit with no cover if one of them did get injured. That's what would've fast tracked Vidic's confidence; having his old buddy beside him, and Carrick ahead of him. Familiarity plus a proper '3' defensively (Carrick Vidic Rio) and a midfield 3 (ensuring Vidic gets match time, but without too much work to do and someone to save us if he cocks up!)
 
SteveJ said:
You know, the co-commentator on my stream called DDG's neat piece of dribbling skill 'lucky'. Yes, it's always a great idea to use scouse or cockney pundits for United games. *rolls eyes*
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I'm currently spending some time in Sydney and he was the commentator here. Absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, whoever he was, and seemingly a massive ABU. Saying Young had 'a poor season' last year and saying De Gea was 'lucky' with that bit of skill were both ridiculous comments, and the constant failure to acknowledge De Gea's superb saves was a little embarrassing.

But the worst was that incident where Hangeland completely flattened Cleverley after the pass had been made. They played the replay and it was a shocking challenge, then he pipes up with 'I can't see anything wrong with that'. My old man and I just stared at each other in disbelief.

We've had some poor commentators but this was amongst the worst I have ever heard, really quite embarrassing from Ekoku, if that's who it was.
 
Still just don't know how that wasn't a foul. You watch week in week out absolutely nothing contact which results in a foul where you scratch your head going.. ? looked legit?

That was a genuine foul for me. He really needs to be more commanding of his area though I will definitely admit. (dur)
 
Vibhas said:
I'm not criticizing Vidic. I'm saying that even if Vidic misses the ball completely, Fulham had around a 90% chance of getting the tap in, regardless. The Fulham lad was running in in case DDg/Vidic/Petric missed.

In fact, in another post, I said we obviously need to play Vidic (as we have no centre halves) with another CB ASAP, and have Carrick ahead of them, so that we can bring Vidic back more gently, because he's imperative for us in Europe.

It may eventually work out in our favour to have so many injuries (ensuring Vidic is played back to fitness, instead of SAF keeping him on the bench!); but had Rio not been injured, we would've been playing Vidic/Rio with Carrick ahead of them albeit with no cover if one of them did get injured. That's what would've fast tracked Vidic's confidence; having his old buddy beside him, and Carrick ahead of him. Familiarity plus a proper '3' defensively (Carrick Vidic Rio) and a midfield 3 (ensuring Vidic gets match time, but without too much work to do and someone to save us if he cocks up!)
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Yep you make good points buddy. I thought DDG was superb yesterday apart from the goal and I accept he was fouled but he's got to be stronger than that and not allow himself to be fouled that easily! Plus I would like to see him using his elbows and knees a bit more that would put a stop to some of the treatment he's. Een receiving quite quickly!
 
mufcwarm92 said:
I'm currently spending some time in Sydney and he was the commentator here. Absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, whoever he was, and seemingly a massive ABU. Saying Young had 'a poor season' last year and saying De Gea was 'lucky' with that bit of skill were both ridiculous comments, and the constant failure to acknowledge De Gea's superb saves was a little embarrassing.

But the worst was that incident where Hangeland completely flattened Cleverley after the pass had been made. They played the replay and it was a shocking challenge, then he pipes up with 'I can't see anything wrong with that'. My old man and I just stared at each other in disbelief.

We've had some poor commentators but this was amongst the worst I have ever heard, really quite embarrassing from Ekoku, if that's who it was.
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I think that was Rafael who got flattened and when the ref booked Hangeland and the replay was shown he said not much wrong with that lol when it was a clear foul. He also said how some people have said evras been poor for a season and a half! Well that's fine but your the commentator so just don't leave it like that mate give us your opinion on it mate if you think this is the case or not!
 
They seem to have forgotten how De Gea played in the second half of last season. It's barely mentioned, just his first few games for us when he made a couple of mistakes as a 21 year old Spanish keeper in a new league. The likes of Cech, who made a howler the other night is still thought of as the world class Cech we saw 6 years ago. He's nowhere near that level anymore and makes more mistakes than any of the keepers at top clubs.

Some past reputations will just never go away, regardless of performance which is completely retarded.
 
Orton said:
They seem to have forgotten how De Gea played in the second half of last season. It's barely mentioned, just his first few games for us when he made a couple of mistakes as a 21 year old Spanish keeper in a new league. The likes of Cech, who made a howler the other night is still thought of as the world class Cech we saw 6 years ago. He's nowhere near that level anymore and makes more mistakes than any of the keepers at top clubs.

Some past reputations will just never go away, regardless of performance which is completely retarded.
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Yep agree was saying to my mates last year Jones was really outstanding up to Xmas and DDG was outstanding after Xmas period bodes well for the future!
 
Also am I the only one that was annoyed that Valencia didn't close the ball down? Even attempt to buy time by putting pressure on the defender. He basically stopped and marked half space and gave the player an age to put any ball he wanted into the centre. Also when the ball is played (with a player hanging about that Carrick has acknowledged) Carrick just spins on a dime and stands there watching it unfold. With a player in any type of those positions wouldn't you try and win the ball or attempt to get at it? That shits me more than the 'error'.

We've just got to stop doing that. Any and every player has to go to a loose ball and put pressure on players and it happens far to often in the opponent's attacking third where we just stand off an let somebody ping something in instead of closing it and buying a few seconds to get set or snuffing it completely.
 
ghaliboy said:
Also am I the only one that was annoyed that Valencia didn't close the ball down? Even attempt to buy time by putting pressure on the defender. He basically stopped and marked half space and gave the player an age to put any ball he wanted into the centre. Also when the ball is played (with a player hanging about that Carrick has acknowledged) Carrick just spins on a dime and stands there watching it unfold. With a player in any type of those positions wouldn't you try and win the ball or attempt to get at it? That shits me more than the 'error'.

We've just got to stop doing that. Any and every player has to go to a loose ball and put pressure on players and it happens far to often in the opponent's attacking third where we just stand off an let somebody ping something in instead of closing it and buying a few seconds to get set or snuffing it completely.
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Never noticed it ghaliboy but usually we stop the line of the cross rather than press it, leaves us more unlikely to let teams in behind us our to the byeline.
 
ghaliboy said:
Also am I the only one that was annoyed that Valencia didn't close the ball down? Even attempt to buy time by putting pressure on the defender. He basically stopped and marked half space and gave the player an age to put any ball he wanted into the centre. Also when the ball is played (with a player hanging about that Carrick has acknowledged) Carrick just spins on a dime and stands there watching it unfold. With a player in any type of those positions wouldn't you try and win the ball or attempt to get at it? That shits me more than the 'error'.

We've just got to stop doing that. Any and every player has to go to a loose ball and put pressure on players and it happens far to often in the opponent's attacking third where we just stand off an let somebody ping something in instead of closing it and buying a few seconds to get set or snuffing it completely.
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I was fecking pissed at Valencia for that. He stopped, gave the player 6-7 metres of space, then decided to jog up to him and then the player had already measured up his cross. As a winger, Valencia should know that's the perfect thing for the attacker; either giving him time and space to deliver the cross, or if the attacker decides to make a run at you, you're stationary and in your penalty box and they're coming at pace. For me, it was DDG, Vidic and Valencia's fault for that goal, clearly.

Lawman said:
Never noticed it ghaliboy but usually we stop the line of the cross rather than press it, leaves us more unlikely to let teams in behind us our to the byeline.
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The player was on the byline, and given plenty of time to deliver a cross from a great position. If Valencia immediately had jogged up to him, the player would've been under pressure. In fact, if the player had actually used the space Valencia gave him, he could've taken on Valencia from a running start (And valencia would be in the pen box and be standing still trying to take the ball,).
 
Vibhas said:
I was fecking pissed at Valencia for that. He stopped, gave the player 6-7 metres of space, then decided to jog up to him and then the player had already measured up his cross. As a winger, Valencia should know that's the perfect thing for the attacker; either giving him time and space to deliver the cross, or if the attacker decides to make a run at you, you're stationary and in your penalty box and they're coming at pace. For me, it was DDG, Vidic and Valencia's fault for that goal, clearly.



The player was on the byline, and given plenty of time to deliver a cross from a great position. If Valencia immediately had jogged up to him, the player would've been under pressure. In fact, if the player had actually used the space Valencia gave him, he could've taken on Valencia from a running start (And valencia would be in the pen box and be standing still trying to take the ball,).
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Like I said Vibhas I couldn't remember it or picked up on it at the time so not disagreeing with you was just stating how we usually defend crosses in general.
 
Anyone else watching the Soccer Extra - Bank Holiday Monday special? Big Pete saying De Gea was right to come for the ball for the second Fulham goal and Vidic should have shielded him more. Exactly as I saw it.
 
#07 said:
Anyone else watching the Soccer Extra - Bank Holiday Monday special? Big Pete saying De Gea was right to come for the ball for the second Fulham goal and Vidic should have shielded him more. Exactly as I saw it.
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Yeah. But if the commentators were right in saying that he should go straight through the players and collect the ball, if it's unlikely to give a peno, then he should perhaps heed their advice. Just go through the man and get the ball. I'm sure the refs will empathize with him, considering the stick he gets!

Doesn't help that we put pressure on the keeper by playing stupid when we're winning though.
 
Yeah, De Gea has had far too many saves to make in his United career. I know that's sort of his job, but he's had a hell of a lot to put up with in terms of first choice defenders being out, the midfield being unable to defend when Carrick's not being played there and just the general overall consistency of the situation resultant from that.
 
KingEric7 said:
Yeah, De Gea has had far too many saves to make in his United career. I know that's sort of his job, but he's had a hell of a lot to put up with in terms of first choice defenders being out, the midfield being unable to defend when Carrick's not being played there and just the general overall consistency of the situation resultant from that.
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this this is a very valid point. He's definitely been more exposed by not having a regular back four during his time at united. Its made his job much harde and yet he is still pulling out amazing saves and basically keeping united in matches. Schmikes and Van Der Sar more often than not had a more regular line up in front of them.
 
That De Gea mistake on Saturday was as much Vidic's in my opinion. Anyway, no panic. He'll learn from that. Hopefully next time he will bury Vidic and the opposition striker.
 
Lawman said:
Thought it was Tony Gale he kept going on and on about Demble. He had quite a few digs at Vidic also. But he praised Valencia non stop also!
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Yeah it was Tony Gale, who won the league with Blackburn in '95 and played with West Ham for most of his career, so you can see where the anti-United bias comes from. He never shut up about how anxious we were after Fulham got their second.
 
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