Well we did concede 6 against City which skews the stats somewhat.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Well we did concede 6 against City which skews the stats somewhat.
I think most people miss the point about DG. The basic issue is not about the errors he's made - after all he's brought on some great saves as well - its his lack of presence and command of his area. There is a natural uncertainty defensively because of this. We see it time and time again. He does not take charge of his territory and does not have the authority to make his presence felt. His defenders don't have complete confidence in him. That's really where the essential problem lies.
Obviously with time, he will hopefully develop the necessary authority and be a commanding figure, in turn giving the necessary confidence to his back four. None of this is surprising given his age, inability to speak English when he came and complete lack of experience in English conditions. It was therefore unfair to expect him to walk straight into VDS's boots and to keep goal for United, where the not inconsiderable and consistent spotlight was going to be on his every move, as if nothing had changed.
My belief is that, for a period, whilst he acclimatised, he should have understudied a no 1, older with more experience and natural authority. Whether or not that no 1 should have been Lindegaard or someone else is open to question.
Obviously with time, he will hopefully develop the necessary authority and be a commanding figure, in turn giving the necessary confidence to his back four. None of this is surprising given his age, inability to speak English when he came and complete lack of experience in English conditions. It was therefore unfair to expect him to walk straight into VDS's boots and to keep goal for United, where the not inconsiderable and consistent spotlight was going to be on his every move, as if nothing had changed.
My belief is that, for a period, whilst he acclimatised, he should have understudied a no 1, older with more experience and natural authority. Whether or not that no 1 should have been Lindegaard or someone else is open to question.
Would tend to even out if he'd played the 25 or so games most of the others have played but out of a sample of 16 those 6 goals will make a big difference (0.37 goals/game, to be precise).
The number of shots and the number of goals conceded confirm what was fairly obvious anyway. We've not defended well this season. The reason for this is also obvious.
That can't be right. Evra gets the ball off DDG a fair bit, doesn't he?
The thing that made me laugh about the data was Reina creating 5 chances 
Route 1 football.
What surprised me was De Gea having the most "Foot Stops" as he was picked out for being weak with shots at his feet early on in the season.
Most saves per game, we all knew about and Conceding per match is heavily distorted by the City game which was down to his kamikaze defence ahead of him. His stats without that game are Played 15, conceded 15 averaging 1 goal per game which isn't bad for an attacking team that averages 2.44 goals per game.
Lets not forget we generally compare him to Van Der Sar who had a peaking and world class, consistent partnership of Ferdinand and Vidic ahead of him and I don't think it's any surprise that the two stand out keepers in that list, Reina and Hart, both have the two best and most consistent back fours in front of them in the League.
The points he has saved us from some of his super saves alone have been equal if not more than the amount of points we have dropped from his errors. It's quite clear we have a very talented young keeper here and hopefully for the next 15 years too.
Route 1 football.What surprised me was De Gea having the most "Foot Stops" as he was picked out for being weak with shots at his feet early on in the season.
Most saves per game, we all knew about and Conceding per match is heavily distorted by the City game which was down to his kamikaze defence ahead of him. His stats without that game are Played 15, conceded 15 averaging 1 goal per game which isn't bad for an attacking team that averages 2.44 goals per game.
Lets not forget we generally compare him to Van Der Sar who had a peaking and world class, consistent partnership of Ferdinand and Vidic ahead of him and I don't think it's any surprise that the two stand out keepers in that list, Reina and Hart, both have the two best and most consistent back fours in front of them in the League.
The points he has saved us from some of his super saves alone have been equal if not more than the amount of points we have dropped from his errors. It's quite clear we have a very talented young keeper here and hopefully for the next 15 years too.
I disagree with this. I think he has an air of calmness about him that really helps our defenders. He's had a few poor games where he has looked uncertain, which did create unease at the back. Generally, though, he's a very calm and confident keeper. Big difference to the likes of Foster and PIG who seemed to constantly be on edge.
Once he gets a bit more consistent and those poor performances get less frequent this will be even more apparent. The best way to get more consistent is to play more games. I think he should have played more, not less, games so far this season. Dropping him for Lindegaard was a mistake IMO.
Completely disagree, there were points when the lad looked so nervous that he didnt even want to be there.
He had to be taken out for his own good and had Lindegaard not got injured may not be back in the side yet.
You might as well be talking about Lindegaard in the second half of the FA Cup game against City. That's the most nervous and unconvincing I've seen any United keeper all season.
He has been much more solid than De Gea.
And its De Gea at Anfield when he looked like a lost boy. Or Blackburn at home. Either really.
But he's looked assured and quite confident in our last two games (one of which was also against Liverpool)... so if he keeps it up their should be no reason why he would lose his place again before the end of the season.
He hasn't played against any decent teams.
Apart from that FA Cup game, when he had an absolutely shocking second half.
Oh he was pants against Newcastle too.
So basically yeah, in any game where Lindegaard has been under any sort of pressure he's struggled. De Gea has struggled at times but also put in top class performances in really tough fixtures.
What exactly could he have done for any of those goals?
Yeh he has been much better since the Chelsea game. And ive said before he will be the better keeper, I have no doubt.
But some of the keeping has been bizarrely inexeperienced, the Basel game. He may be young but he has played in enough big games not to stop crosses with his feet.
But some of the keeping has been bizarrely inexeperienced, the Basel game. He may be young but he has played in enough big games not to stop crosses with his feet.
What the hell could he have done there?
Also that was in quite horrific conditions.
He could have been a lot more decisive on the Jones own goal but, goals aside, it was a nervy performance. A few shanked clearances and lots of flapping at crosses. Basically as poor as any of De Gea's worst games this season.
I agree with Pogue, and he hasn't even mentioned that DDG has generally looked to be growing in confidence whenever he gets a solid run between the posts, only to come back looking like someone took a needle to his balloon of confidence whenever we've rotated Lindegård in.
The rotation has been a mistake this season, no two ways about it.
The rotation has been a mistake this season, no two ways about it.
Yup
Agreed.
De Gea should be number one for the run in, no doubt about that.
I doesn't matter what it is minus the City result. The City result did happen remember, we can't pretend it never.
And it doesn't matter how many games he's played less than the other keepers, that's the beauty of an average.
Pretty spot on Pogue.
We all know (I hope) that he'll be class, and he HAS improved throughout the season. Arguably in his best run of form so far.
We all know (I hope) that he'll be class, and he HAS improved throughout the season. Arguably in his best run of form so far.
Yes the City result does matter, it wasn't the keepers fault that we got smashed 6-1 and it doesn't have much reflection on his abilities as a GK, and it makes an average look worse than it actually is since it's a low amount of games compared to the people you are comparing him against who have had other games where they've conceded many mitigated by the fact that they've played 9 games more.
Well he should have saved the 6th for a start against City, that would have helped his average.
Anyway, I hope he does fulfill his potential. But there is no hiding from the fact he has looked very poor at certain times this season.
Its not unreasonable for people to feel more confident having Lindegaard between the sticks.
Anyway, I hope he does fulfill his potential. But there is no hiding from the fact he has looked very poor at certain times this season.
Its not unreasonable for people to feel more confident having Lindegaard between the sticks.
There's also no hiding from the fact that that's perfectly normal and we all said before the season that we knew it was going to happen, naturally, and that will change in the future.
now we're just getting petty. 'Oh he should have done this or that'. Lindegaard is in for the same bit of criticism and he has 7 years on DDG. He has more command of his area because his English is better but we've also seen him make some comical mistakes. The difference is, he's never been punished for it. Therefore, it's more or less ignored. I dont know if Lindegaard would have made that save from Mata's freekick. I like both keepers but to me DDG has the bigger upside. Based on that, I'm willing to give the boy more games.
Interesting how Lindegaards shaky moments are excused due to outside factors but not DDG's
No, actually. That's the biggest weakness of an average. It's only as good as the data that makes it up. The smaller the sample size the less useful the average.
ya escobar. if this forum had a like button id def 'like' your post.
We'll never know if he would.
What we do know is that he was unable to keep out a very similar FK against Newcastle.
Ok, its time for a clear statement as I am a huge fan of DDG. I see a incredible talent in a young keeper who can become the best. He has the best staff to work with and under the guidance of Fergie, it just cant go wrong.
I'm confident in a few years we will laugh at those who cant stop critizising a 20 year old who's new to the EPL (the same ones we laughed at in the Ronaldo, Nani, Vidic or Evra threads)
I'm confident in a few years we will laugh at those who cant stop critizising a 20 year old who's new to the EPL (the same ones we laughed at in the Ronaldo, Nani, Vidic or Evra threads)
the funny thing about sport especially football is it really shows how biased we can be even about our own players. Here we are with a situation where people ignore certain aspects of both keepers in which leads one to picking DDG over linde or the other way around. Swings and roundabouts
Yep. However, it's not necessarily a lack-of-bottle problem on his part.
Very good game from him tonight, feck all to be done about either goal and one hell of an amazing save earlier on, could have been a different outcome had that gone in.
Another solid display and another brilliant save.
Hopefully SAF has realised that playing De Gea in every game is the best option and we don't revert back to rotating him and Anders once the latter is fit again.
Hopefully SAF has realised that playing De Gea in every game is the best option and we don't revert back to rotating him and Anders once the latter is fit again.
Super save. Another good performance, a pity the ones infront of him let him down again.
One super save, one crazy push a cross straight into the danger area when he could have left it.
Great save. Hopefully he'll continue to be played when Lindegaard returns from injury.
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His kicking was brilliant tonight. Just one cross he could have done better, the rest was good. Couldnt do anything about the goals.
You could see tonight what happens if we keep playing him week in week out
You could see tonight what happens if we keep playing him week in week out
Yeah his kicking was pretty good, would like to see the percentages for tonight because i recall quite alot finding a United player.
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