Moses is speaking absolute sense here.
Darron Gibson - is he good enough for Everton?
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I concede the bolded part, obviously Gibson would not represent any further cost, but my point was not made to advocate signing Adam, only to point out the stark difference in their respective performances compared to how they are viewed.
Hard to say, again all those 3 had the right attitude to succeed at a big club and that's why they did. My point is that i question whether Gibson has shown the right type of attitude to reasonably presume he may enjoy similar success.
The Liverpool point is a little strange because Owen and Murphy were established first teamers, whereas Gibson is not. Warnock was always considered a talent, to my knowledge he was not sold due to not being good enough he was sold because Rafa wanted more experience and generally placed little value on youth.
That would have to be more attributed to the failings of that particular manager, than anything Warnock did wrong. Again a different scenario to Gibson, he has not done enough to remove doubt, because he has simply not shown the will and desire to be able produce more.
My point about Liverpool is not about the talent as much as the value to the club of having youth players make up a good part of the squad for various reasons including continuity and identity. Liverpool have been burdened by losing both of those things as a football club.
I think he'd be quite at home at a number of Premierships clubs. He needs to decide if he wants to remain in a comfort zone at United or play more regularly at a club like Wigan, Sunderland or Blackburn regularly.
I think he'll be gone in a few years, but more to do with better younglads coming in, rather than a signing to replace his squad position.
I would agree with that for the main part, but i am not debating whether or not we should be thankful for Darron Gibson, I am stating my concerns regarding why i don't believe he has shown he has what it takes to become a valued and trusted squad member like O'Shea, Butt, P.Nev, fletcher etc.
You claim everybody is a squad player and literally speaking that is true, but there are squad players who frequent the first team more than others. I personally believe we should only have players in the 25 who are either undoubted emerging talents in their respective positions, or serious contenders for the first team.
To my mind Gibson falls into neither category, he is merely teetering on the edge of the squad for the most part, and i'm sorry but i cannot accept that their is a professional player within our squad of 25 who is happy with 15 games a season, mostly against lower opposition.
If you do believe that is indeed the case then we shall simply have to agree to disagree.
As usual moses your points are all perfectly valid, if you base them on certain levels of expectations, and it would appear ours differ considerably in this instance.
You are right though, he's infuriating in many repsects.
I confess i haven't seem much of him in the reserves, but you are not the first to claim he has produced some fantastic performances for them and as with the others i have no reason to doubt your claims.
Undoubtedly to those who have seen such performances from him, it must be infuriating to see him struggle to reproduce a similar standard for the first team. However as i am not one of those who have witnessed him produce his best form, i can only judge him as a player who has consistently failed to live up to his initial billing, and therefore i personally consider him to be more disappointing, than infuriating.
Maybe it is for this reason we have such differing opinions upon his potential value to the squad. You have seen what he is capable of, while i have not.
On the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go. 
Is there a report saying he is refusing to go?
He'll be going somewhere soon enough. Maybe you can calm down a bit then. Raw hatred for a United player is nothing to be proud of.On the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go.
Maybe he is hoping United won't be able to sign a new midfielder?On the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go.
niceOn the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go.
What does them leaving have anything to do with gibson really and truly? Youre acting as if hes the one that made them leave. Muppet.On the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go.
Idiot.On the day o'shea and brown are leaving, gibson is still refusing to go.
Anyone hear the angry caller on the paddy crerand show tonight slagging off Gibson?
Was to be expected really!
He'll be off to Everton or something like that.
We have some class fans...
In general I am against us selling academy players. I don't think Gibson is anywhere near good enough to be a first team player at utd but he has shown some promise. I say send him out on loan for a year or two, see what he's made of over thirty games or so (ideally in the Prem).
My problem with this is by the time he'd come back after two seasons, he'd be in his mid 20s, not part of the United culture, and probably been replaced.
I think there's something to be said for keeping a young player here until their late teens, sending them out for two seasons until they are 20/21 and then embedding them into the squad. If they don't fit, ship them. But being part of the "family" is extremely important for the way we play and the culture of the club.
It's hard to build that union when players expected to jump right in.
In general I thought Gibson was beginning to improve the latter half of last season. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot this season and letting him go for free if he doesn't take the next step.
I was completely against him being anywhere near the first team going into last season, but he did enough I think to warrant another chance.
I was completely against him being anywhere near the first team going into last season, but he did enough I think to warrant another chance.
he might end up staying after-all maybe no one wants to buy him too
I'd he happy for him to hang around to be honest.
Don't think anyone would give him £40,000 a week.
On the contrary, i always feel its best to sell academy players when their stock is at the highest, especially when its clear as day that they are not good enough to push for the first team, as what we did with Kieran Richardson, Bardsley, Campbell etc.
having been omitted from the tour squad i just can't see any future for him at united.
Now that we have lost Scholes and Hargreaves plus O'Shea, and with Fletcher out, I would prefer if we kept him, until we brought another couple of players in.
Some of our fans are really a disgrace.
He isn`t shit.........he is just not good enough for Manchester United but he would be starter for every team outside of the top 6.
I think too he`s off because he`s in the last year of his contract.
But maybe his daughter is ill again and that`s the reason he stays at home.
Gibson would be tricky from a contractual point of view. With a year left if we were to renegotiate you'd think he'd be on something around £30-40k a week. If Fergie doesn't fancy him as anything more than a sixth choice midfielder then it might be a big financial commitment to give him a three or four year deal along with signing on fees when they can get a transfer fee for him this summer.
Alex Fergusons statement today that Darron Gibson is in "limbo" due to Sunderland not matching his wage requests of £40,000 per week is very interesting and Im not sure what it means.
Fergie has alerted other named interested clubs (Stoke & Wigan) about his wage demands which is almost like acting as his agent.
Yet he goes on to say that Darron was only left out of the Tour Squad because he was thinking about his future.
This looks like he still has Gibson in his plans.
Not exactly sure what it means over the next six weeks.
Fergie has alerted other named interested clubs (Stoke & Wigan) about his wage demands which is almost like acting as his agent.
Yet he goes on to say that Darron was only left out of the Tour Squad because he was thinking about his future.
This looks like he still has Gibson in his plans.
Not exactly sure what it means over the next six weeks.
He just spent a minute or too talking about the players departure and how his disappointed in the buying club not going with their promise. Where does that show has a future for Gibson? A future at another club yes.
He actually said that Gibbo's in 'limbo' because Sunderland gave him an offer, and then withdrew that offer and gave him a different one, and that pissed him off. He said that Gibbo had reason to feel annoyed and that you'd be confused as to whether you could trust the club.
Fergie didnt mention the 40k did he?
Gibbo has been at the club for a long time. He clearly wasnt too keen on a move. He talked to a club, they offered him a deal, he accepted. Changing the offer after that is going to annoy anyone.
Fergie looking out for players, especially those who have come through the ranks is hardly new.
Sunderland have issued an official statement on their website which says Bruce will talk to Fergie about the matter..
Gibbo has been at the club for a long time. He clearly wasnt too keen on a move. He talked to a club, they offered him a deal, he accepted. Changing the offer after that is going to annoy anyone.
Fergie looking out for players, especially those who have come through the ranks is hardly new.
Sunderland have issued an official statement on their website which says Bruce will talk to Fergie about the matter..
Yes Ive just seen that.
I doubt that we're going to sell Gibson unless we bring in a new CM.
Was he at Wembley today?
Not seen PIG or Gibson around the squad since end of last season.
I think Cleverley has catapulted his way above Gibson in the pecking order.