No because other clubs fans aren’t obsessed with being negative and required to know minor role coaches to bitch about.
Darren Fletcher - Technical Director
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
Cry more you pathetic gaggle of bitches.
No, I just explained to you that I was responding to the part of your post about him winning “lots of shit as a player”. Which means absolutely nothing.
But he’s been standing right next to the actual manager on the touchline yelling instructions to the players. He was doing that even during Carrick’s interim tenure, and Carrick did not need a “conduit” as you claimed for Ragnick.
For all I know he’d make a good coach, but you can’t claim that he’s not a coach or manager when he’s been clearly behaving as one.
It would be good for the club to release a PR piece regarding Fletcher's role. Alternatively, one of the journalists at Rangnick's press conference should bring it up so we can hear from the horse's mouth. There is this strong anti ex-United brigade in the fanbase and I'd just caution against completely wiping out everyone on a whim. There is value in having a good core at the club regardless of manager, especially if Rangnick wants them to stay - at least for now.
Why not give fletcher a go at management this could be the plan? One of our own! He's been a success and a leader and a winner
The part that confuses me is why he's on the touchline now Ole has gone. If it was doing it prior then it would be consistent but it's like his role has changed but we've not been made aware of it. I have no comment if he's any good at this new role but it's a bit strange.
I would have thought that we had learned a lesson going with this approach. IMNSHO we need a complete fresh approach and leave the past behind.
Why not Steve Bruce, Gary Neville, Roy Keane or Mark Hughes?
I haven't properly posted on RedCafe in nearly 10 years and this post has inspired me to reply. No, just no, please. I'm hoping Rangnick will be successful, but if not, we need someone with a pretty good record of having a clue of what they are doing as a manager at the top tier.
I've seen Ronaldo talking to him and Phelan most on the touchline during and after the last game. Fletcher even had an arm around Ronaldo as they were both walking off in the end. I can't think of anyone else who has that kind of a relationship with Ronaldo in the current set up.
Him being a consultant doesn't hold much weight, his ideas can very well be rejected.
Fletcher should be here longer than 2 years so your point doesn't make sense either way.
I think in large part it is related to Carrick leaving. RR was pretty clear that he wanted Carrick to stay as he wanted some continuity from the previous regime and so with that in mind I would imagine Fletcher fits what he was looking for. Someone who knows the club inside and out and already knows the dynamics of the dressing room is useful to a new Manager as he can cut through any bs the players try to pull and speed up the onboarding process. I very much doubt Darren will be on the touchline next season but for now it makes sense for a number of reasons.
This. It's mind numbing isn't it.
Rangnick's boys got jobs because he believes they are right for them.
Yes, he seems fine with Fletcher as well, which is good, but the whole thing is still weird. He came back to United in January for one role, moved to a different one two months later and is now - also looking at the Tweet posted earlier - seems to be doing odd jobs. He appears like more of a handyman than having a clear role.
I would assume he'd not mind having a few years worth of experience and he's next in line. It's not like Murtough is young.
It's not a really bad thing and I am surprised that it's an issue that's nagging people for over two days on here. First we need to know who Rangnick is; the guy is a builder of clubs and in doing so he has molded a few coaches and DOFs who have worked under him so he clearly enjoys mentorship and Darren is a young upcoming Technical Director, clearly being groomed for bigger things, so is it really surprising that a guy who enjoys mentoring young coaches has hooked up with a young coach at United?
Then there is the value of having a respected former player assisting a manager who is still settling in the country and league. There are a lot of nuances that RR won't be aware of that Fletcher can help him with in regards to culture, he seems to be a guy who doesn't want to rip up everything but is looking to modernize the club whilst maintaining its identity and he clearly wanted Carrick to stay. So if Fletcher can can do both things - his TD role and the coaching bit - both of which will give him an insight into the team and the steps needed to improve then why not?
Going by the examples posted in this thread and before in other thread when this topic was discussed, this is common thing.
Can we play him in midfield?
I suspect its one of two things possibly both, he is covering a gap in the coaching setup that RR has be unable to fill as of yet or he is helping out in a kind of transition period. RR has never managed in the PL before so it may just be that someone who knows the club and the PL just offering a helping with nuances of the PL and United.
Skeppy short for skeptical...
As long as he isn't being groomed as the next managers who cares?
He's exactly what's wrong with this jobs for the boys. He was a part of the Ole DNA shit that spent a fortune to win feck all. Now he's forced on RR to work with.
At Bayern, the TD stays on the bench. I don't think its unusual.
Yep, at Bayern Sammer before and Salihamidzic now are sitting on the bench all the time, its a tradition there. Zidane was a technical director (adviser) first at Real Madrid and during Jose Mourinho's time there he got actively involved in trainings of the squad and travelled with the team for the games. Later he became an official assistant of the new coach Carlo Ancelotti and the rest is history.
If RR don't want him there then he won't be there.
His full job title is 'Director of the Technical Area'.
I think a lot of people do, and don't want this to become a reality. No one even knows what his job really is. Look what happened with the last time a good player and supposedly good talker was hired. He might talk the talk but can he walk the walk, only time will this. People will be very concerned and don't want a repeat of the past three years.
Seriously? You don't think that fans can accurately determine a coach's duties, skill and impact on the team from a few two second clips of them on the sidelines on match day? You obviously significantly underestimate the incredible level of insight that our fans have, and should feel blessed that they share their wisdom with scrubs like us.
Isn’t it the other way around? Wasn’t RR interviewed and selected by Fletcher and Murtough?
Agreed. If RR had problem with Fletcher was doing, I highly doubt Fletcher would continue doing it.
As long as United progress nicely, i couldn't give a damn even if Lingard join Fletcher on the sideline
.Or alternatively its because few clubs are as big a mess as United. We have seemingly appointed to key roles on the basis of people having previously played for the club and being matey with ed woodward
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There you go, seemingly. You don't have a clue mate, nor does anyone else, so it's a really pointless topic of discussion.
I reiterate my point from a month ago. Rangnick sees Fletcher as a padawan of sorts in his ever-increasing school of coaches and directors. Don't be surprised if Rangnick is grooming Fletcher to be Rangnick after Rangnick's two-and-a-half year tenure is done.
Fletcher is an intelligent guy. Listen to his interviews for just a few minutes; listen to his analysis on football. It's not your bog standard Ole/Carrick trope-fest. Can see why Ralf would take a shining to him.
Fletcher is an intelligent guy. Listen to his interviews for just a few minutes; listen to his analysis on football. It's not your bog standard Ole/Carrick trope-fest. Can see why Ralf would take a shining to him.
Oh yes how right you are- I am absolutely certain that after an open recruitment process we appointed Fletcher on the basis of his experience and achievements whilst working as a technical director. And of course Richard arnold was appointed as chief executive because of his achievements whilst running other sports teams, he just happens to be ed woodwards University friend but that had no bearing on the process.
No one should talk about it further because you said they shouldn't
yes, that poster is right, you don't have a clue.
Anything more constructive add. Can you perhaps give us the benefit of your expert insight?
Are there other successful examples of people going into technical / sporting director type roles with zero experience as per Fletcher? I understand other clubs have brought in ex players but it generally seems they serve some sort of apprenticeship before moving into such an influential role. At united it just seems to be - you know the club and might be able to do the job let's give it a go.
Caf is probably traumatized by the fact Ole never coached the team and left it to Carrick & McKenna.
Now they have to question what everyone around Rangnick does? Who's is this coach and so on.
It's understandable to question and find out what value these coaches bring since the club hasn't been successfull in a long time now
I copped a load of rather unpleasant abuse from another poster when I suggested this in a different thread, but I’ll leave it here anyway:
Just because a recruitment process is crap doesn’t mean that every single person taken on by it is crap also. Some perfectly competent people might get taken on by accident.
I’d much rather judge Fletcher on what he’s doing now. And it should be obvious to anyone who isn’t a massive conspiracy loony that Ralf rates him and wouldn’t be letting him anywhere near the business end of team management if he didn’t.
Just because a recruitment process is crap doesn’t mean that every single person taken on by it is crap also. Some perfectly competent people might get taken on by accident.
I’d much rather judge Fletcher on what he’s doing now. And it should be obvious to anyone who isn’t a massive conspiracy loony that Ralf rates him and wouldn’t be letting him anywhere near the business end of team management if he didn’t.