Darmian to Juventus?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Some extremely harsh words about one of our very own players in here.

I don't rate Darmian but when you've got no options at right/left back at least he's an option. What I will say is that I would have liked to have seen TFM get game time this season and he should be starting ahead of the Italian for me.

It will be interesting to see how TFM does on loan. But for now, I'll support Darmian as he's still a Man Utd player.
 
No one was going to pay 20m for someone like him when they can get better or younger options everywhere.

Another year of him enjoying his salary while playing 15-18 matches at best.
 
At least we have the option to extend if he performs and then ship him off for a fee. But i think he will just leave on a free next summer.

Bet those italian clubs were looking for a loan deal, without having to commit any fee.
 
Not sure why people are still expecting him to be sold. The club decided the manager had to make do with what we have and loads of you seemed happy with that, well Darmian is part of that.

Next season will likely be Darmian and Dalot
 
with Fosu-Mensah on loan Darmian will stay.

When we have Dalot/Valencia/Shaw/Young all fit he will be backup to the backup and when you consider that he's a good option
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He's never a good option.
Click to expand...
He's a weak player but when we've really depended on him - I'm thinking Europa League final - he didn't let us down

he makes less high profile mistakes than someone like Jones or Smalling though he wouldn't have as many of their 7/10 performances

do you feel is there a better option than him as backup to backup? Smalling at RB? Rojo at LB :eek:?
 
buckooo1978 said:
He's a weak player but when we've really depended on him - I'm thinking Europa League final - he didn't let us down

he makes less high profile mistakes than someone like Jones or Smalling though he wouldn't have as many of their 7/10 performances

do you feel is there a better option than him as backup to backup? Smalling at RB? Rojo at LB :eek:?
Click to expand...

Obviously you didn't watch the League Cup tie at Bristol then......
 
PaulRich said:
Obviously you didn't watch the League Cup tie at Bristol then......
Click to expand...

You forgot to mention the FA Cup match vs Yeovil last season where he got skinned by a guy who used to be a shelf stacker. Don't get me wrong while he's here he's an option, just not a particularly good one.
 
I am not on Darmian's wagon , to be honest it seems a bit empty. But that said he is still our player and will be used until Valencia or Dalot come into the frame so I will support him until he is sold .. Not good but not nearly as terrible as some here are saying.
 
A player who can't get games over two 33 year old converted wingers and has stated that he wants to leave (which is fair enough for him since he's not getting games here and Italy seems to suit his game much better)... Yet still here warming our bench because our accountant wants a price that nobody will pay and doesn't want to pay for a world class fullback.

Not blaming the player. If you're not good enough, you're not good enough and he's stayed professional. Just lamenting the state of our club's leadership.
 
Just let him leave, I'd rather see youth given a chance over him. He can't pass and is weak in the tackle, he's one of the many out of depth players in our squad.
 
A very average fullback. If he only had one stand-out attribute, I think he could work. However, he's just average at everything. He's not a good crosser, not a good passer, not positionally great, actually quite terrible defending one on one, lacks acceleration, lacks strength, build up play is only decent and he has decent technique. There's just nothing that stands out. I think Trippier is quite average at most things, but he has a terrific cross and can score the occasional screamer as well. Valencia may lack good crossing and positioning, but at least he is terrific defending one on one due to his speed and strength. Marcelo lacks defensive fibres but more than makes up for it with his attacking contributions. Darmian, well...

I agree with @Devil81 , just let him leave, and please do not expect to get huge sums for him.
 
Must feel weird for him. This is his fourth season here and he's basically not been wanted for a long time now but yet, he's still here. Odd situation.
 
Last edited:
Smores said:
Not sure why people are still expecting him to be sold. The club decided the manager had to make do with what we have and loads of you seemed happy with that, well Darmian is part of that.

Next season will likely be Darmian and Dalot
Click to expand...

No idea if we'll manage to find a buy for him this summer. But it's obvious his days at the club are numbered. Either in January or next summer when his contract ends.

He's almost 29 yet 3rd/4th choice now at RB and LB, he barely played last season, has openly stated he wants to leave, the manager has openly stated he wanted to let him leave.

It's amazing that he's still here, this summer we've been shit at buying and selling players.
 
buckooo1978 said:
He's a weak player but when we've really depended on him - I'm thinking Europa League final - he didn't let us down

he makes less high profile mistakes than someone like Jones or Smalling though he wouldn't have as many of their 7/10 performances

do you feel is there a better option than him as backup to backup? Smalling at RB? Rojo at LB :eek:?
Click to expand...

Yes Academy players, we shouldn't be paying 28 year olds millions a year to sit on their arse and make 10 starts a season.
 
You might yet sell him in january for like €2-3m
 
Players like Darmien are endemic to our failings as a club these last few years, bar his first few games he has been awful and yet he has been here 4 years, cut our losses and move on. How we did that with players like Di Maria but not dross like this guy is unbelievable.
 
I don't really understand some people's logic to be honest, apparently Darmian should be sold and Jose shouldn't play him but Lindeloff because Jose himself signed him should be a forced selection?!?

That entire argument is born out of a very petty attitude that doesn't actually help us progress at all. You have to allow mistakes or punish for them via sacking.
 
This guy express our failure as a club. Flop, but entering his 4th yearsz doesn't play more than 20 matches a season while enjoying his salary. He's the literal definition of stealing a living while we refused to get rid of him due to no one paying 20m, even though he deserves less.

The end situation is that he won't play much but will still enjoy his salary. There's only one loser here and it's the club. Just proves how terribly managed we're.

Another club and he would have been axed by his second year.
 
Last edited:
Seij said:
Not blaming the player. If you're not good enough, you're not good enough and he's stayed professional. Just lamenting the state of our club's leadership.
Click to expand...

^^This^^
Sometimes you have to be ruthless, and we are just not at all, clinging onto players that are a pale shadow of former heroes..
 
Smores said:
I don't really understand some people's logic to be honest, apparently Darmian should be sold and Jose shouldn't play him but Lindeloff because Jose himself signed him should be a forced selection?!?

That entire argument is born out of a very petty attitude that doesn't actually help us progress at all. You have to allow mistakes or punish for them via sacking.
Click to expand...

No idea who or what you are referring to here but how it that ''petty''? Sounds more like common sense.

Darmian is going on 29 and been at the club for 3 years, 3 awful years and wants to leave. Lindelof has just turned 24 and has only been here for a year. There's obviously much more scope for Lindelof to develop into a decent player that could be useful.
 
stevoc said:
No idea who or what you are referring to here but how it that ''petty''? Sounds more like common sense.

Darmian is going on 29 and been at the club for 3 years, 3 awful years and wants to leave. Lindelof has just turned 24 and has only been here for a year. There's obviously much more scope for Lindelof to develop into a decent player that could be useful.
Click to expand...

That would be fine if the view was that we should look to develop them before offloading but as above people were calling him a flop and to be gone by his second season in the same way Lindeloff is now.

If you rate Lindeloffs potentional then it doesnt really apply to you but there are those who don't but also insist the manager has to make do with him. That's the pettiness i was pointing to.

If the current manager is expected to get something out of a player the next one should be as well.
 
I feel for him. He wants to leave, doesn't suit the English game, but he just cant get out
 
You have to feel for him, he's going to have a whole season of being our 4th choice RB. When all he wants to do is go back to Italy and play some football.
 
JMack1234 said:
You have to feel for him, he's going to have a whole season of being our 4th choice RB. When all he wants to do is go back to Italy and play some football.
Click to expand...
Why? If all he wanted is to play football he would have taken a pay cut to go back to Italy in turn either Napoli or Juve most likely would have paid what we've asked for him.
 
Smores said:
That would be fine if the view was that we should look to develop them before offloading but as above people were calling him a flop and to be gone by his second season in the same way Lindeloff is now.

If you rate Lindeloffs potentional then it doesnt really apply to you but there are those who don't but also insist the manager has to make do with him. That's the pettiness i was pointing to.

If the current manager is expected to get something out of a player the next one should be as well.
Click to expand...

Ok i think i get where you're coming from now mate. I don't think even i was desperate for Darmian to leave after 1 season no matter how terrible he was, same with Lindelof now.

But i do think United have gotten into the habit of keeping under performing players way too long, i think this started in Fergusons later years. Back in the day the likes of Poborsky, Djemba, Kleberson, Veron etc were shifted on within 2 years, i'm sure there are other examples also.

With new players we should only give them 2 years to show some form, unless they are very young like 18-20. Truth be told we should have shifted Darmian on in 2017 after his decent run at the end of that season. We could have got £8-12m for him and gave his minutes last season to Mensah or Tuanzabe, but because of that hesitancy we find ourselves with Darmian going into the last year of his contract still here picking up wages and taking up space.

JMack1234 said:
You have to feel for him, he's going to have a whole season of being our 4th choice RB. When all he wants to do is go back to Italy and play some football.
Click to expand...

At this point i actually do, the club completely fecked this one up. They should have just taken what was on offer instead of holding out for a fee no club in the world would ever pay for Darmian.
 
Rajma said:
Why? If all he wanted is to play football he would have taken a pay cut to go back to Italy in turn either Napoli or Juve most likely would have paid what we've asked for him.
Click to expand...

It depends on how much we did ask for him.
 
With the injuries picked up by our backline TFM would have been the ideal one to keep here. He would get plenty of game time, with the injury prone players we have here.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Why would we do that? So TFM can play 1 game all season? That'd make no sense. TFM needs game time. Who gives a feck about Darmian.
Click to expand...

To get Darmien off the wage bill for a season - the way Valencia and Young have started this season he probably end up playing more than 1 game for us.
 
Unpopular opinion but I’d rather play him over Valencia and Young.

We rely way too much on Young and Valencia going forward. When Darmian played against Leicester, we played it more through the middle. When Ashley Young came back in against Brighton, every attack involved him and his useless crosses. It’s like Ashley Young is our primary attacking outlet. This has to change and that’s why I hope Shaw/Dalot/Darmian play most of the games as our full backs.

We absolutely should have signed two top class full backs though. It’s strange but a year ago I would have suggested the likes of Danilo, Aurier and Mendy. Three proper United type of players. Yet Aurier and Danilo are wasted on the bench and Mendy (basically an Evra re-gen) was snatched by City. Whoever is scouting our signings is doing a terrible job.

This summer we could have got Alex Sandro and probably snatched Azplicueta off Chelsea’s hands considering they’ve got no Champions League. I could see those two doing exceptionally well under Jose.
 
What bothers me is that he had shown genuine quality before he arrived (and for his first few games here). Many on here thought he was the type of signing we needed, and expected him to fill the right back position for years to come.

zvOJBDM.png


Everyone in this line up was bought on arguably the same basis. Everything from their reputation, price tag (except Falcao) and fan reaction signaled "position sorted" at the time.

Yet, all of them have failed to either live up to expectation or adapt at the club.

There's reason to hope that those still at the club will go on to do the opposite (except Darmian, if we are serious about developing Dalot), but that's besides the point. I'm not writing them off by any means.

I don't know what the point is either, other than something obvious like "there's a much bigger problem going on at the club than average players", because it's hard to pinpoint what that problem is.
 
deleon said:
What bothers me is that he had shown genuine quality before he arrived (and for his first few games here). Many on here thought he was the type of signing we needed, and expected him to fill the right back position for years to come.

Everyone in this line up was bought on arguably the same basis. Everything from their reputation, price tag (except Falcao) and fan reaction signaled "position sorted" at the time.

Yet, all of them have failed to either live up to expectation or adapt at the club.

There's reason to hope that those still at the club will go on to do the opposite (except Darmian, if we are serious about developing Dalot), but that's besides the point. I'm not writing them off by any means.

I don't know what the point is either, other than something obvious like "there's a much bigger problem going on at the club than average players", because it's hard to pinpoint what that problem is.
Click to expand...

Him and Schneiderlin are two of the biggest disappointment because it felt they were exactly the right players joining at the right time and both failed to live up to the expectations massively. In Schneiderlin’s case we managed to get our money back which is fine, we will probably make a profit on Darmian because of how the market has changed but it’s still not what should have happened.
 
Sarni said:
Him and Schneiderlin are two of the biggest disappointment because it felt they were exactly the right players joining at the right time and both failed to live up to the expectations massively. In Schneiderlin’s case we managed to get our money back which is fine, we will probably make a profit on Darmian because of how the market has changed but it’s still not what should have happened.
Click to expand...

I got the home and away shirts for my birthday that season, and off the back of the hype pre-signing and his first few games, went and got Darmian put on the back of the home shirt. Nearly had Schneiderlin on the away too, but fortunately I decided to keep it blank.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.