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Dante: Rooney is world class
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Its only talking about the top speed recorded when the player has the ball. All those players easily have a greater acceleration
So lets say you have a 100m sprinting contest for every player in football. You honestly believe Wayne Rooney finishes 8th? He would be nowhere near.
Seems really weird to me as well that all the fastest players play for top clubs. I'm sure there's some insanely quick players in the US, Jamaica and the West African countries.
load of things going on here.
Firstly, a lot of our fans underrate Rooney, it's the classic familiarity breeding contempt.
I'd always take people who have played against Rooney's word over mere fans, who don't understand a player's intelligence, or the instructions given by a manager.
However, I'm always wary of these "oh he's a great player" type comments from opposition straight before a big game! Classic political stuff, a bit like Rooney's dodgy injury.
Some of those pace stats you see/top speed etc are a joke.
I remember Sol Campbell being near the top of one once, in his last season, when he was slow as sh!T
Firstly, a lot of our fans underrate Rooney, it's the classic familiarity breeding contempt.
I'd always take people who have played against Rooney's word over mere fans, who don't understand a player's intelligence, or the instructions given by a manager.
However, I'm always wary of these "oh he's a great player" type comments from opposition straight before a big game! Classic political stuff, a bit like Rooney's dodgy injury.
Some of those pace stats you see/top speed etc are a joke.
I remember Sol Campbell being near the top of one once, in his last season, when he was slow as sh!T
There's plenty of players making their living who are basically athletes rather than that good at football.
My lot Wycombe used to have a guy called Jermaine McSporran.
We're talking Walcott-esque pace, if not quicker.
He wouldn't thats the point. A 100m sprint doesn't staying involving staying at a constant speed throughout, but more to do with acceleration (the rate at which speed increases). Rooney's speed when running doesn't increase at a rate faster than that of Aubameyang, Walcott and all the other speedsters you mentioned. This stat is talking only about top speed reached when dribbling with the ball, so its a bit misleading.
Wayne Rooney has started 33 CL knockout games and provided 14 goals and 9 assists. And if that doesn't sound that impressive you might compare it to pretty much any other player who isn't Ronaldo or Messi, and also note that 8 of the goals and 6 of the assists have come in his last 14 knockout matches.
There's a reason he's the one who always gets talked about.
There's a reason he's the one who always gets talked about.
Dunno about assists, but Zlatan has just the 7 knockout goals, and RVP only has 8.
And how's this for a kicker. Ruud only ever scored 6. Even with the fewer games (2nd knockout stage and that) that stunned me.
And how's this for a kicker. Ruud only ever scored 6. Even with the fewer games (2nd knockout stage and that) that stunned me.
World class performance.
Certainly earned his 300k this week. Lol world class..
Do you two lads genuinely think you're witty? Serious question now, is that something you feel able to say about yourself?
Rooney was a world class striker some years ago. He's declined since 2011.
Rooney is world class, that's why.
The Bayern players must have been wondering wtf they watched from him in those two matches (as were the real madrid olayers last year). German papers and twitter are making bad jokes about German Police searching for missing man wayne rooney or something in that trend...
1. Dante knows nothing about football
or
2. Dante is a great WUM
one of the two
or
2. Dante is a great WUM
one of the two
Lay off our Wayne.
He is one of the few genuinely gifted English players now, the kind who can play like the Europeans/Africans/Asians who develop their ball skills from a very young age and aren't running like donkeys and being asked to think about formations.
Like the other Man United playes he is struggling under Moyes. Anyone who can dismiss our lads for losing and slag them off yet again needs to think about what they are being asked to do by the manager. I am not saying all Moyes' tactics were wrong, it's just that even while European football did require different tactics under Sir Alex and these could be more defensive than usual, the way our team played against Bayern showed guts but ultimately it is not what Manchester United do to win. And win titles and cups.
Some people also need to be reminded that he was injured recently. All the nonsense in the media about Rooney screwing up with that missed opportunity etc conveniently overlooks the fact that he performed very well for somebody still carrying an injury. And the sad fact is until we have a different manager, our lads will struggle to adapt to a style that is not suitable for them.
He is one of the few genuinely gifted English players now, the kind who can play like the Europeans/Africans/Asians who develop their ball skills from a very young age and aren't running like donkeys and being asked to think about formations.
Like the other Man United playes he is struggling under Moyes. Anyone who can dismiss our lads for losing and slag them off yet again needs to think about what they are being asked to do by the manager. I am not saying all Moyes' tactics were wrong, it's just that even while European football did require different tactics under Sir Alex and these could be more defensive than usual, the way our team played against Bayern showed guts but ultimately it is not what Manchester United do to win. And win titles and cups.
Some people also need to be reminded that he was injured recently. All the nonsense in the media about Rooney screwing up with that missed opportunity etc conveniently overlooks the fact that he performed very well for somebody still carrying an injury. And the sad fact is until we have a different manager, our lads will struggle to adapt to a style that is not suitable for them.
Rooney seems to get worse the more money he makes. Thats what greed and not taking care of yourself does
"World Class". The most unquantifiable and vague expression in football.
Rooney is in the 2nd or even 3rd tier of top class footballers. Would I class him amongst T1 like Ronaldo, Messi? No
t2 like Suarez or bale?
Not on current form, no
He has yet to really influence on the biggest European or international nights
t2 like Suarez or bale?
Not on current form, no
He has yet to really influence on the biggest European or international nights
Hard to argue with this, which is why Goal.com (amongst others) was saying his only contribution in a big European match was goal at Wembley.
Of course he's previously scored 9 times in quarter and semi-finals. You know, the stage at which he failed to make an impact last night, but who cares about that when you've got a tedious narrative and all the other 'journos' are harping on about it.
Also scored in a CL final.
"Yet to influence" indeed...
"Yet to influence" indeed...
I actually started compling a post consisting purely of videos of Rooney's great performances and moments in big European games, but get this, I got bored because there are so sodding many.
Rooney the big game bottler is the new media narrative and idiots are lapping it up.
Rooney the big game bottler is the new media narrative and idiots are lapping it up.
As much as I dislike Rooney and would like to criticize him I don't blame him at all for his performance yesterday, he was clearly injured and it was idiotic of Moyes to keep him on that long/move him in to midfield. Of all Rooney's performances to criticize I don't think last nights merits much attention.
Rooney's record against against Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs since Ronaldo left:
Against City:
Played: 13
Goals: 8
Against Chelsea:
Played: 13
Goals: 7
Against Arsenal:
Played: 11
Goals: 6
Against Spurs:
Played: 8
Goals: 5
Against Liverpool:
Played: 8
Goals: 3
Total for all:
Played: 53
Goals: 29
That's not a bad record against the traditional best sides in the league.
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Not bad? Is there a striker out there with a better record?
Wonder how Ruud and Henry measure up?
I stand corrected, I honestly recall very few of those goals!
Ruud struggled to score against the very best. Would be interesting to see his stats. And fans are very reactionary...especially regarding Rooney.
All strikers do, to be fair. That's why those teams are the very best!
Rooney's strike rate actually might be better in those games than it is overall (can't be arsed checking). Which is incredible.
He's the definition of a big game player.
Worth noting that the majority of those games he played as a number 10 and not a striker and still has that sort of record. Ridiculous that people are questioning him as a player because he didn't perform against the best team in the world while being injured. Let's just erase his decade at the top level. The only thing missing off his C.V is performing at a World Cup.
He's not a young talent who needs to prove himself, he has already proven himself over the last 10 years.
He's not a young talent who needs to prove himself, he has already proven himself over the last 10 years.
Rooney doesn't influence on the biggest European or domestic nights? He's got a fantastic record in the CL and scores shit loads of goals against City and Arsenal and has also started doing pretty well against Chelsea off late. Rubbish against big teams indeed.
Of course he truelly is world class, christ we have to be the only fans in the world to have such a player in our team yet moan.
Sore toe or not that miss was diabolical.
He's world class imo. We have been playing him out of position lately, and he's still performing well. He's been the heart of our team for a long time, and he scored a lot of goals especially when we needed them.
He was clearly injured against Bayern and shouldn't have played. He couldn't even shoot the ball. Can't judge him based on this performance. (By the way, let's not forget that he set up our two best chances against Bayern in the first leg, one of which was the corner we scored from).
He was clearly injured against Bayern and shouldn't have played. He couldn't even shoot the ball. Can't judge him based on this performance. (By the way, let's not forget that he set up our two best chances against Bayern in the first leg, one of which was the corner we scored from).