Danny Welbeck

Michael Cox was tweeting about him the other day, saying how he's being misused at Arsenal but would have probably thrived in a parallel universe where Fergie never retired. The next Park Ji Sung. Which kind of makes sense. Although the injury problems probably would have messed that up too.

I think about that from time to time to!

In that alternate universe, we sold Rooney, we got Alcantara, Zaha went on to become world class and we turned down a 200million bid for him from Madrid last summer, we never bought Pogba and Januzaj became the next Ryan Giggs.

Shame we’re in this Moyes filled universe.
 
I think about that from time to time to!

In that alternate universe, we sold Rooney, we got Alcantara, Zaha went on to become world class and we turned down a 200million bid for him from Madrid last summer, we never bought Pogba and Januzaj became the next Ryan Giggs.

Shame we’re in this Moyes filled universe.

You've given me an idea for a thread!
 
This poster on Arsenal Mania is a fanboi:

Jesus christ I get physically ill and quite angry just thinking about this absolute clown.

He cannot play for Arsenal ever again. We have to use Özil as a false 9, or Miki as a forward, until Laca is back. We sold Walcott and kept this clown.

He is nowhere near PL level, I doubt he would stand out in the Championship. The ostersund strikers were superior to him. And to think he makes more than that enitre team combined, what an absolute fraud. Any other person would be fired from their job a long time ago if they performed like this.

Easily on of the 10 worst players in the Wenger era. Chamakh and Gervinho doesnt even come close. Why the fck did we loan out Perez and keep this idiot?

Seriously Ive had it with welbeck, JUST FÜCK OFF
 
Yeah, those money that we spend Depay to replace him turned out amazing for us, didn't it?
We got the vast majority of our money back from his sale. I wonder if Arsenal think it’s 16m well spent?
 
Michael Cox was tweeting about him the other day, saying how he's being misused at Arsenal but would have probably thrived in a parallel universe where Fergie never retired. The next Park Ji Sung. Which kind of makes sense. Although the injury problems probably would have messed that up too.

Every one seem misusing Welbeck. I wonder how you can use a very average striker with a huge ego and the finishing skills of a division 2 defender well.
 
Stop making stuff up.

of course he did. He asked to leave when he was getting games with us and that despite doing nothing to deserve a first team place in the first place.

Now that might be fair enough for someone with Ronaldo's or Giggs talent but Welbeck was nowhere near to these players. He was nowhere near 1st team player level and he probably would have never been.

Seriously I never understood the hype around the guy. I was over the moon when we sold him off to Arsenal.
 
Seriously I never understood the hype around the guy. I was over the moon when we sold him off to Arsenal.
Except for the price, I was so happy when he was sold. I think we could have milked more for selling an English player to a direct rival.
His jump and run moves and eventually losing balance and missing sitters got me frustrated every time.
 
Except for the price, I was so happy when he was sold. I think we could have milked more for selling an English player to a direct rival.
His jump and run moves and eventually losing balance and missing sitters got me frustrated every time.

I was actually shocked that Arsenal wanted him in the first place. SAF tried to rescue his career by playing him on the flanks which would limited his lack of finishing skills to an acceptable minimum but Welbeck wouldn't have that. He geniunely thought that he'll be the new Wayne Rooney which is quite hilarious since he was weaker to him in every aspect of the game. Someone with such attitude and very little talent to defend such attitude shouldn't end up in another top club.

That is why I hate hyping talent too much. From the new 'Steve Bruce' Ronnie Wallwork to the new 'Maldini' Francesco Coco right to OShea, Ravel, Januzaj, Adu, Macheda, Balotelli and finally Welbeck, hyping kids had always ended up hindering them. No wonder why the best talent of the class of 92 happened to be the man who got challenged the most. Scholes suffered all sort of setbecks from his height to his asthma right to have to re-invent himself three times (STK, AM, DLP) and compete for a first team place with world class players both with United (Veron) and with England (Gerrard and Lampard).

It must be hard for Welbeck to watch Rashford play. Rashford is the exact player Welbeck thought he was + with the right attitude to succeed. Seriously, if Rashford played under SAF then we wouldn't need Lukaku at this point in time.
 
Yeah, those money that we spend Depay to replace him turned out amazing for us, didn't it?

Whether we replaced him with shite doesn't change the fact that since he's moved he's scored about 20 goals in 4 years.

We done well to get rid. Now I know that doesn't tally up with your opinions at the time, but it's perfectly fine to admit we were correct to get rid.
 
We got the vast majority of our money back from his sale. I wonder if Arsenal think it’s 16m well spent?

Welbeck would be far more useful than Depay if he stayed. 16m is nothing these days, if he didn't have injuries of course it would have been money well spent, but no one can predict injuries, but he is great when compared with some crap players they have.
 
Whether we replaced him with shite doesn't change the fact that since he's moved he's scored about 20 goals in 4 years.

We done well to get rid. Now I know that doesn't tally up with your opinions at the time, but it's perfectly fine to admit we were correct to get rid.

No one could have predicted the injuries, so in the end it turned out well for us. But if he was injury free who knows, all I know is that his two replacement were Falcao and Depay.
 
Welbeck would be far more useful than Depay if he stayed. 16m is nothing these days, if he didn't have injuries of course it would have been money well spent, but no one can predict injuries, but he is great when compared with some crap players they have.
If, if, if. If he stayed and got those injuries, which is a lot more likely than him staying and managing to stay fit, he'd be just as useless here.
 
Welbeck would be far more useful than Depay if he stayed. 16m is nothing these days, if he didn't have injuries of course it would have been money well spent, but no one can predict injuries, but he is great when compared with some crap players they have.
But he did have injuries. You cant discount it just because it doesn’t support your point. Playing games is a big part of being a footballer.
 
No one could have predicted the injuries, so in the end it turned out well for us. But if he was injury free who knows, all I know is that his two replacement were Falcao and Depay.
And we could have predicted exactly how Memphis would turn out or ADM would turn out to be?

Danny Welbeck wanted to be selected for every game. He was obviously not good enough to be selected always. So he chose to leave. No one psyched him to leave
 
Hilarious that people still don't realise we completely ripped Arsenal off for him. Bang average player.
 
Danny Welbeck wanted to be selected for every game. He was obviously not good enough to be selected always. So he chose to leave. No one psyched him to leave
You’re wasting your time. Welbeck fans won’t have it. They will keep on insisting nasty wicked LvG forced him out till they die. Despite the evidence that LvG liked him and used him to good effect in that pre-season.
 
Poor Danny, it must be hard for him to finally acknowledge that he's mid tier team at best.
Sadly true. He was so frustrating with us, and rightly drop often. Being a poor finisher, striker is not his best position, then again what is. He complained a lot right(?) of not being given too much playing times, despite given many playing times already for a player of his standard. SAF had to push him further to the wings, and he still complained. Wanting to be the main man, yet doesn't have the right football skills for that. Impressive self-confidence, but kind of self-deceiving.

Plus point is he inherited that never-say-die attitude from United, when playing, so I guess, with his conflicting football skills, he can be useful at times and will contribute - odd goals now and then, and good link-up plays and nuisance to defenders. In top teams, should rightly be squad player at best. His injury-proneness is seemingly helps supporting him I see in discussions. Imagine if he's not injured too often, he's still a player like that.
 
It's pretty surprising to me that such an unremarkable player as Welbeck (who also chose to leave) still has fans here at this point.
 
It's pretty surprising to me that such an unremarkable player as Welbeck (who also chose to leave) still has fans here at this point.

Plenty just won't back down and admit they were wrong about him. Far too many on here completely overrated him and the outpouring of grief on here when he left was utterly bizarre. He's done feck all since leaving and the fact is that he's bang average and extremely injury prone.
 
What ? There're still some think he has got potential or something ? :lol:

Best decision LVG had ever made here.
 
He's just this decade's Heskey really.

He has had good games if his task is to hold the ball up and press the defence. I thought well doing this in the cup final and also created space for Alexis and Ozil to dominate Chelsea.

Give him some one-on-ones in big games though and he just dosen't have it in him to finish. I'm sure he's brilliant at it on the training ground but can't do it when it comes to the crunch.

Surprised Arsenal want to give him a new deal tbh given all his injuries there aswell. His level is Everton or West Ham currently.
 
What ? There're still some think he has got potential or something ? :lol:

Best decision LVG had ever made here.

Depends. Who actually replaced him at Man. United? Falcao, Memphis? RVP and Rooney were also in their 30s at that point and declining.
 
Depends. Who actually replaced him at Man. United? Falcao, Memphis? RVP and Rooney were also in their 30s at that point and declining.

Doesn't matter who replaced him. He was crap and overrated as hell. A kind of player that can only succeed in a system made by Fergie. Under any other manager he'll be as crap as we saw.

And if you're talking about replacement, Martial and Rashford. ;)
 
Strange. Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger and several England managers all seem to rate Welbeck highly, whilst the Caf 'faithful' think he's a steaming pile of shite.

Who to believe?
 
Strange. Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger and several England managers all seem to rate Welbeck highly, whilst the Caf 'faithful' think he's a steaming pile of shite.

Who to believe?
You can believe your own eyes.

Between 2011 and 2015, he progressed from promising youngster to trophy-winning player and England regular, experiencing an awful lot in a relatively short period of time. Since then, Welbeck’s career has lost its milestones and its markers. He had always been kept slightly in the shadows, but a step back from there took him into total darkness. A career has thus ebbed away at double speed.

Welbeck’s career is easily split into two: the roll of honour and the experience. He was in Manchester United’s first-team squad when they won three Premier League titles, but started only 14 matches across all three. He has won two FA Cups, but started only five games in both runs combined. He has won the Champions League, but didn’t play a minute in the competition that season. He has felt eternally useful to England, but has not started a competitive game for almost three years. Welbeck has started more than 20 league games in a season twice in his career, and never scored ten league goals. He has managed fewer than 120 Premier League starts in his entire career.

Therein lies the Welbeck Paradox. Footballers are often defined by their honours, but silverware without responsibility is nothing. Nobody can truly be sated by success unless they have had an integral part in its achievement. Others might remember your trophies, but you remember your moments.

Now Welbeck is Arsenal’s Europa League forward, or at least until the competition gets serious enough for the first-teamers to step in. It’s the role that few want and none truly clamour for. There is a huge difference between being a squad player at your hometown club and one hundreds of miles south. The boy from Longsight is a long way from home. Welbeck grew up on Markfield Avenue, less than three miles from Old Trafford.
 
Doesn't matter who replaced him. He was crap and overrated as hell. A kind of player that can only succeed in a system made by Fergie. Under any other manager he'll be as crap as we saw.
He was good as a wide forward in a three for Hodgson’s England. Scored some good goals there as well.
 
Strange. Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger and several England managers all seem to rate Welbeck highly, whilst the Caf 'faithful' think he's a steaming pile of shite.

He's spent the best years of his career under a manager who's consistently failed to get the best from his talented young players. He was an excellent prospect but he hasn't become a good player.
 
Plenty just won't back down and admit they were wrong about him. Far too many on here completely overrated him and the outpouring of grief on here when he left was utterly bizarre. He's done feck all since leaving and the fact is that he's bang average and extremely injury prone.
I liked him and was sorry when he left. I also thought he was deluded in thinking he had a right to be a starter in a fixed position, as his poor finishing would almost invariably let him down. So I wasn’t that sorry.
 
I thought he would turn out to be a much better player than he has done. Injuries have wrecked his time at Arsenal but his finishing hasn't been good enough.
 
Doesn't matter who replaced him. He was crap and overrated as hell. A kind of player that can only succeed in a system made by Fergie. Under any other manager he'll be as crap as we saw.

And if you're talking about replacement, Martial and Rashford. ;)

Rashford who came through nearly 2 years after Welbeck was sold?:lol:

Alright I'll give you Martial. I was trolling a bit with the Memphis comment.
 
Rashford who came through nearly 2 years after Welbeck was sold?:lol:

Alright I'll give you Martial. I was trolling a bit with the Memphis comment.

Does it matter when they came ? They came and took his place as the young prospects of the team, and they are much better of course.
 
I said he was no better than the at the time Hull striker Matty Fryatt in a conversation on here a long, long time ago.

I still think that.

He should drop down to the Championship and rebuild.
 
I think about that from time to time to!

In that alternate universe, we sold Rooney, we got Alcantara, Zaha went on to become world class and we turned down a 200million bid for him from Madrid last summer, we never bought Pogba and Januzaj became the next Ryan Giggs.

Shame we’re in this Moyes filled universe.

Seriously though, the career trajectory of the likes of Powell, Welbeck, Cleverley, Zaha and even Jones would have been completely different had Sir Alex been able to continue; he was good at giving limited players small but clearly defined roles in his system.

You sense that John Stones and Barkley would have been acquired from Everton very early as well; that Shaw would still have arrived...while Kane would have been coveted after his first full season; he prided himself on developing the best British talent and used it to galvanise United’s identity. What a time it was to be alive.

Regarding Welbeck, I actually think he’d be of use to Mourinho, especially in the big games on the top deck of a parked bus; if nothing else, he’s awkward and mobile, and does the stuff Lukaku and Martial are reluctant to. He can carry the ball up the wing, hold it up, and has a decent enough leap to be a target. Lukaku might as well have actually been Stormzy against direct rivals this season, so Welbeck could literally have done no worse in those games while providing a valid out-ball.

Crazy how much vitriol is aimed at Welbeck in this thread, considering he’d a player who played a part in the clubs last title win and has been crippled by injuries since departing.
 
Wasn't he supposed to be the next Thierry Henry? I remember all the stupid hype around him when he went to Arsenal. All that #Wele stuff looks so hilarious now
 
Strange. Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger and several England managers all seem to rate Welbeck highly, whilst the Caf 'faithful' think he's a steaming pile of shite.

Who to believe?

Wenger is on record saying that if he hadn't travelled on deadline day, Welbeck wouldn't be at arsenal

"If I had not travelled that day, Welbeck would not be here. I will explain that a bit later, but if I stayed at home, Welbeck would not be here today."

http://sport.bt.com/sport-football/news/wenger-cryptic-on-welbeck-signing-S11363931966895