Danny Welbeck | Manchester United: 2001-2014

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If Danny goes to Spurs, I can imagine Pochettino will use him similar to how he used Jay Rodriguez at Southampton - as an inverted forward, with Adebayor most likely spearheading the attack, with Lennon, Lamela or Townsend giving the width out on the right.

Danny can definitely play that position, as he's done so for us in the past, and has put some great performances there for England, bagging quite a few goals.
 
we've gone from talking about him ousting one of VP and Rooney over the season, to talking about him as deadwood. An amazing short term turnaround.

However, if it's Di Maria or Welbeck, then I'm afraid it's the least long debate ever.
 
Ferguson said:
If we go into the season with only James Wilson behind Rooney and RVP, then it is a sure sign that we're moving to the 4-3-3.
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Yep, we'd pretty much be thinking we'd be alright as long as only one of VP or Rooney was ever out.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Really dont want Danny to go, have the feeling he will become top class when he's played regularly.
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Would hate to see him go .. Dont really understand even the talk of selling him when people like Ashley Young and Anderson are still on the payrolls..
 
Indired said:
Would hate to see him go .. Dont really understand even the talk of selling him when people like Ashley Young and Anderson are still on the payrolls..
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I get the feeling Young and Anderson are happing sitting on the bench and getting paid. Welbeck, on the other hand, wants to find regular games and improve as a player.
 
Only way im happy for him to go to spurs is if we get sandro + a bit of cash. or loan with option to buy.
 
A loan would be good for him IMO. A chance to play more regularly than he does here. Next season hopefully he will have improved enough to impress the manager.
 
The only reply from us to Spurs should be to tell them to feck-off - not just because of the Berbatov and Carrick sagas, or even engineering Fryers out of us on the cheap, but simply because I don't want to have to see our own damn player contributing to Spurs finishing above us in the league again, which is a very real possibility as things stand.

On Welbeck himself, I want him to stay. I see no reason why he can't get the game time he probably wants here with Hernandez gone, RVP injury-prone, and Rooney himself using missing a few weeks every season. We need Welbeck.
 
Don't want him to go but there's an awful lot of smoke in this rumour.
If he does go I'd love to see him test himself abroad, not enough English talent take that plunge and I reckon he'd be a great success
The loan talk is bullshit, if spurs want him they can cough up, the bidding as far as they're concerned starts at 30m , for everyone else 20m
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I get the feeling Young and Anderson are happing sitting on the bench and getting paid. Welbeck, on the other hand, wants to find regular games and improve as a player.
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The thing is, nobody has any clue what's going on here. Lot of assumptions that he's driving this but it's equally possible that the club started touting him round a few clubs, then his agent leaked this to the press to generate a bit more interest.
 
Looks like the Spurs link with Danny is getting stronger and stronger, Sky sports say he wants the move on their website.

Welbeck is also wanted by Newcastle, Sunderland and Hull City but is believed to be keen on a move to White Hart Lane.
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If we can get anything over £20m for him I'd say take it, it's good for both parties that way. He will never provide enough goals to be the starting number 9 at Manchester United and he's not creative enough to play any other role better than a natural player in those positions.
 
During the spell around Christmas time last season (Villa, West Ham, Hull, Norwich, Spurs) he played as a striker and scored at a rate that would be perfectly acceptable for someone who doesn't take penalties or freekicks. I can imagine him adapting to the role if actually given the opportunity to play as the main striker for a season. Sure certain aspects of his game need work, especially his movement in the penalty box and his finishing.

Rooney and RVP will probably turn out to be superior players over the course of their careers but in the medium term, I would expect Welbeck to outperform them, largely due to their respective ages. The main issue is trying to predict how quickly Rooney and RVP decline and how much Welbeck improves.
 
Could some disillusionment at the World Cup be behind a bit of this? Seeing Sturridge leave Chelsea and do well at Liverpool might be effecting him. Especially after the shafting he's received over the summer.
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
Only way im happy for him to go to spurs is if we get sandro + a bit of cash. or loan with option to buy.
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Sandro has apparently been very poor for them for the past year. Could be yet another case of a Brazilian who impressed when he's very young but ultimately doesn't build on that and has an average career.

It'd probably be for the best for Welbeck and United if he moved on. He's a very good player who could go on to have a great career but he'll be behind van Persie and Rooney if he stays and if we move to 433 that'll severely limit his chances, especially as his finishing simply isn't good enough at the minute to be #9.

I'd be hoping for a loan though, I don't want to see him become properly class at Spurs and regret that we'd let him go - especially as we'll be in the market for a new striker in two or three years.
 
It's ironic that one of the ones a lot of us want to stay is going to leave because he has drive, ambition, graft and wants to make something better of himself. We get stuck with the dross that are happy with their cushty United life.

Best of luck to Danny, I hope it's a loan and I hope he still makes it here. Top lad and top player.
 
Its weird united are selling both welbeck and hernandez, we are going to be light upfront, unless VG plans to use 433 and rotate rooney and RVP in that system
 
Pexbo said:
It's ironic that one of the ones a lot of us want to stay is going to leave because he has drive, ambition, graft and wants to make something better of himself. We get stuck with the dross that are happy with their cushty United life.
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I think it says more about the fans. They want perfection in every department and a different set of rules and circumstances are applied to different players in terms of not reaching that expectation.

I'd be completely cut if he goes on loan or permanently. He has an opportunity to displace a world class striker if he stays.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Its weird united are selling both welbeck and hernandez, we are going to be light upfront, unless VG plans to use 433 and rotate rooney and RVP in that system
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I think he thinks that Rooney and Van Persie will be more than enough for 40ish games this season for one position. Also I reckon he'll have seen something in James Wilson and rightly so. We should bring him through ASAP, the bench would do him good.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
I think it says more about the fans. They want perfection in every department and a different set of rules and circumstances are applied to different players in terms of not reaching that expectation.

I'd be completely cut if he goes on loan or permanently. He has an opportunity to displace a world class striker if he stays.
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I don't see how that reply fits with what I said?
 
He's a victim of van Persie's move BTW. I like van Persie and he won us the league but I can't help but wonder how the likes of Kagawa and Welbeck would develop here without him around.

On the other hand we could have simply allowed Rooney to leave when he asked for it and it'd have had the same effect. Having both of them here is holding back quite a few players - Kagawa, Welbeck and now Mata will have all been affected by it to some extent.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
I think it says more about the fans. They want perfection in every department and a different set of rules and circumstances are applied to different players in terms of not reaching that expectation.

I'd be completely cut if he goes on loan or permanently. He has an opportunity to displace a world class striker if he stays.
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If he goes on loan then he will probably have some chance to come back and take van Persie's place next season. RVP will be 32 and this could be the time for him to make the last move in his career.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Really dont want Danny to go, have the feeling he will become top class when he's played regularly.
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Same. He just won't get the chance here, the level he is at now isn't really good enough to start for us up front and that's it. If he goes down to a club were he can play more and become and more polished and cultured finisher, then he can be a 15-20 goal a season striker maybe even 25. He has the physical attributes and the handwork. If he has decided to go i don't blame him. He would have been further along in his development if we hadn't signed RVP.But you don't grab a player of his calibre when he is available. I really wanted him to prove all his ditractors wrong here. Sadly it won't happen.
 
Pexbo said:
I think he thinks that Rooney and Van Persie will be more than enough for 40ish games this season for one position. Also I reckon he'll have seen something in James Wilson and rightly so. We should bring him through ASAP, the bench would do him good.
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I see VG playing 433 using di maria janazaj and mata playing off the front man, and perhaps rotating RVP and rooney
 
He is our only competent senior pacey skillfull striker, why should we sell him? Hope van Gaal realize the fact that rooney and RVP simply cant play together. If we are going to switch to 4-3-3 he could thrive as a wide left striker or whatever you wanna call that role. We then have only Januzaj 19yo who we cant rely on and di Maria who will play more in midfield IMO as we dont have quality midfielders. The fact that danny is so versatile all round player helps him to get games in every system. He may want to get more games and I am not sure if he can get that in Spurs. Soldado, Adebayor, Kane but maybe Poch want him use in wide areas as well -in fact he is quite similar to Jay Rodriguez. It would not be wise to let him go. James Wilson is promising but his injury record is not good and again dimaria will get number of games in tha central role IMO.
 
Pexbo said:
I don't see how that reply fits with what I said?
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If it's just Welbeck you're referening then it doesn't. For obvious reasons. These reasons could be applied to other players but sometimes aren't and sometimes are. Fans seeing eye to eye on the subject of a player is more to do with this than the actual representation of the player on the pitch.
Sarni said:
If he goes on loan then he will probably have some chance to come back and take van Persie's place next season. RVP will be 32 and this could be the time for him to make the last move in his career.
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I'd prefer he take the chances offered to him here, being sentimental about him as a player and his development but you are right. If he nailed a spot and played the next 30 games for Spurs and did well then I would be chuffed for him.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
If it's just Welbeck you're referening then it doesn't. For obvious reasons. These reasons could be applied to other players but sometimes aren't and sometimes are. Fans seeing eye to eye on the subject of a player is more to do with this than the actual representation of the player on the pitch.
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Literally don't have a scooby doo what you are on about.

You're just throwing together buzzwords with connecting words to make vague jargon soup.
 
Pexbo said:
Literally don't have a scooby doo what you are on about.

You're just throwing together buzzwords with connecting words to make vague jargon soup.
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For example; In your words.. "It's ironic that one of the ones a lot of us want to stay is going to leave because he has drive, ambition, graft and wants to make something better of himself. We get stuck with the dross that are happy with their cushty United life." The fans want this magical striker who will score 30 and assist 20 but aren't happy to wait for it. So the 'drive, ambition and graft' comments are all relative to which particular player. There are other players giving it their all and for whatever good enough they are they don't get afforded this same 'isn't it ironic that x is being pushed out the door and he could probably do well' they are just saying get rid get someone else in.

It's more of the fans not seeing eye to eye than the irony of a player wanting to leave for various reasons. Many in this squad are good footballers and give enough to the team to warrant a bit of slack but when the results aren't going their way it's 'up stumps, get rid' when the same really can be applied to Welbeck here but isn't. Not that either is wrong I would prefer Welbeck to stay.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
For example; In your words.. "It's ironic that one of the ones a lot of us want to stay is going to leave because he has drive, ambition, graft and wants to make something better of himself. We get stuck with the dross that are happy with their cushty United life." The fans want this magical striker who will score 30 and assist 20 but aren't happy to wait for it. So the 'drive, ambition and graft' comments are all relative to which particular player. There are other players giving it their all and for whatever good enough they are they don't get afforded this same 'isn't it ironic that x is being pushed out the door and he could probably do well' they are just saying get rid get someone else in.

It's more of the fans not seeing eye to eye than the irony of a player wanting to leave for various reasons. Many in this squad are good footballers and give enough to the team to warrant a bit of slack but when the results aren't going their way it's 'up stumps, get rid' when the same really can be applied to Welbeck here but isn't. Not that either is wrong I would prefer Welbeck to stay.
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On the contrary, I take Danny for what he is not what if think he could develop into.

He's not prolific in any way shape or form, although I think if he was started every game as a 9 he would give 20-25 goals, that's not why I value him though.

I value his pace, work rate, tactical discipline and link up play.

He already offers something none of our other stokers offer, that's not potential or wishful thinking, that's ability that I value right now and would prefer not to lose. I also think he is only going to get better.
 
Pexbo said:
He already offers something none of our other stokers offer, that's not potential or wishful thinking, that's ability that I value right now and would prefer not to lose. I also think he is only going to get better.
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Heh, 'stokers'. That is kind of the thing I was getting at in regards to different standards for different players and the slack being afforded. All good if we are not on the same page.
 
iBoss said:
I don't get what you're saying. Welbeck gets off easier than others because he is a better player.
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Oh thank god it's not just me. It's cryptic isn't it?​
 
iBoss said:
I don't get what you're saying. Welbeck gets off easier than others because he is a better player.
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Gets off easier on what? Fan opinion is the most likely answer. That is what I am trying to say, in the eyes of the fans these are all relative to each individual and their perception of a player. Hence when Pexbo said 'its about his all-round game that is important not that he scores a tonne of goals' you're just as likely to see as many people say that as saying 'his good build up play isn't enough because he doesn't score goals'.

His 'irony' comment is more to me of the fans being unable to agree on something than genuine irony.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
Gets off easier on what? Fan opinion is the most likely answer. That is what I am trying to say, in the eyes of the fans these are all relative to each individual and their perception of a player. Hence when Pexbo said 'its about his all-round game that is important not that he scores a tonne of goals' you're just as likely to see as many people say that as saying 'his good build up play isn't enough because he doesn't score goals'.

His 'irony' comment is more to me of the fans being unable to agree on something than genuine irony.
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I think it's clear that Welbeck is talented, whilst players like Ashley Young and Buttner are shit. Welbeck does get criticised for not being more clinical, however anyone claiming his all round game isn't any good is simply wrong.
 
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