Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

[Sammyjunn]

Ok so I say Rvp has scored more than Welbz in less matches (? ), you know whats a strikers primary job is? Welbeck has been better than Falcao but give me Rvp all day over him. His hold up and link up play is massively overplayed, and he scores 0.25 goals every 90 min, just not good enough.
@Annihilate Now!

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Ok so I say Rvp has scored more than Welbz in less matches (? ), you know whats a strikers primary job is? Welbeck has been better than Falcao but give me Rvp all day over him. His hold up and link up play is massively overplayed, and he scores 0.25 goals every 90 min, just not good enough.
@Annihilate Now!

For me, RVP hasn't been as bad as Falcao (by virtue of actually being able to score goals) but his general play has been really poor, to the point where he just doesn't look interested at times. Give me Danny Welbeck actually trying to make things happen any day. However - I still hold onto some weird (probably misplaced) belief that RVP will come good... so no, I wouldn't have Welbeck over him... but I don't really see how Danny would have been as bad as RVP has been this season for us had he stayed here.

 

[Amadaeus]

Ok so I say Rvp has scored more than Welbz in less matches (? ), you know whats a strikers primary job is? Welbeck has been better than Falcao but give me Rvp all day over him. His hold up and link up play is massively overplayed, and he scores 0.25 goals every 90 min, just not good enough.
@Annihilate Now!

Could you imagine what Van Persie goal ratio would be this season if he was alternated between a central role and a wide role? The fact that Van Persie has played centrally this whole time at United without being tasked to track back makes his record appear even worse than Welbeck when you look thing past a basic statistical perspective.

 

[Wumminator]

Welbeck has over a 1 in 3 record for Arsenal, that's not bad at all.

 

[Sandikan]

Looked pretty shit to me. Shame it was him who scored. He did bugger all else.

100% this.
Looked clumsy, and pretty much zero threat.

But when a criminally underhit backpass gives him a fairly comfy chance, of course he'll stick it away.

De Gea was obviously worried about cleaning him out for a red card

 

[Massive Spanner]

Welbeck has over a 1 in 3 record for Arsenal, that's not bad at all.

Not really good either for a top club, at all.

 

[Drifter]

Maybe its just me but it Rooney was in Welbeck's place, playing for Chelsea, Arsenal, City whatever and he celebrated his goal wildly he would get a ton of abouse.
But our danny boy, people applaud him, people are happy for him (happy that he scored a winning goal which has sent us out of FA Cup) and dont see anything wrong with it.

No ,they applauded him for being a United player and fan who was treated shabbily by the club and LVG.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Could you imagine what Van Persie goal ratio would be this season if he was alternated between a central role and a wide role? The fact that Van Persie has played centrally this whole time at United without being tasked to track back makes his record appear even worse than Welbeck when you look thing past a basic statistical perspective.

The fact that Rvp plays in the most static United in years, with no service and in a team who barely creates more than 3 clear cut chances per match and still scores more than a Welbeck who plays in one of the most fluid attacking teams in the PL, who dominate games properly and create speaks volumes. Welbeck normally isnt a starter there. I know its beautiful to see a youth graduate turn into a great player but he isnt (maybe can become one), dont think Welbeck would have done it better here at OT than he has there, and he hasnt been sublime there even.. He's miles above Falcao imo, but I really prefer RVP over him.

 

[Krovv]

No ,they applauded him for being a United player and fan who was treated shabbily by the club and LVG.

That was a nice gesture. Welbeck will probably never be a great player but you just cannot fault him for lack of effort. Even yesterday he put in a great shift and never stopped trying even though the occasion got to him initially.

The likes of Cleverley and Evans, if they're sold I'd understand but Welbeck gives it 100% in every game, why'd you sell a player who wears his heart on his sleeve? Especially after he came through your academy? He'd be doing a far better job as a striker than Di Maria.

 

[wr8_utd]

That was a nice gesture. Welbeck will probably never be a great player but you just cannot fault him for lack of effort. Even yesterday he put in a great shift and never stopped trying even though the occasion got to him initially.

The likes of Cleverley and Evans, if they're sold I'd understand but Welbeck gives it 100% in every game, why'd you sell a player who wears his heart on his sleeve? Especially after he came through your academy? He'd be doing a far better job as a striker than Di Maria.

Because he asked to leave and wasn't good enough to waste time convincing to stay? Saying he'd have done better than RvP or Falcao isn't saying much as they've both been horrendous. I thought Welbeck was quite average really and it was a bit strange how Arsenal players kept ignoring his runs and seemed to refuse to pass to him in some circumstances. Anyway he'll be back on the bench soon enough.

PS : Despite being rubbish, Falcao has a better minutes per goal and minutes per assist ratio than Welbeck in the league.

 

[Krovv]

Because he asked to leave and wasn't good enough to waste time convincing to stay? Saying he'd have done better than RvP or Falcao isn't saying much as they've both been horrendous. I thought Welbeck was quite average really and it was a bit strange how Arsenal players kept ignoring his runs and seemed to refuse to pass to him in some circumstances. Anyway he'll be back on the bench soon enough.

PS : Despite being rubbish, Falcao has a better minutes per goal and minutes per assist ratio than Welbeck in the league.

That traitor is past it man. He's useless. The sooner you lot sell him, the better for you.

Unfortunately Falcao hasn't recovered from his injury and may never be the same player again. I wonder why LVG decided Vidal was too big a risk after his knee injury but Falcao was not?

I believe good managers can help bring the best out of players. Both Fergie and Wenger have made their teams play as a unit and often made average players look really good in that unit. It'd be a bit harsh to judge LVG based on this season but I do feel he could've found a place for Welbeck in the squad. If he wanted to. But I think Welbeck leaving was more to do with managers losing faith in him. Last night Wenger started him ahead of Giroud and you saw that he kept trying until he scored. Some of your players weren't even trying hard enough. Surely you see my point?

 

[Orton]

Rubbish last night yet gifted a goal. The "why did we sell him" brigade are out in full force again I see.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Rubbish last night yet gifted a goal. The "why did we sell him" brigade are out in full force again I see.

Yep, agreed. Any striker in the world would be expected to score that. Welbeck hasn't done an awful lot all season if we're being honest.

 

[Orton]

Yep, agreed. Any striker in the world would be expected to score that. Welbeck hasn't done an awful lot all season if we're being honest.

4 league goals is it? Goes to show he wasn't the answer for our problems considering Giroud is still their main striker.

 

[Raw]

Welbeck has over a 1 in 3 record for Arsenal, that's not bad at all.

Not that bad, but not that good either. Also have to take into account that 3 of his goals were in one game (Galatasaray) so it doesn't really show he's much of a consistent goal scorer.

 

[Cheesy]

Welbeck has over a 1 in 3 record for Arsenal, that's not bad at all.

Not bad, although it's hardly great when people here were expecting him to suddenly transform into a 20-goal striker since he was supposedly going to a teams main striker.

 

[saivet]

No video, but his comments after the game:

"Manchester United is a club that means so much to me," Welbeck said. "I'm a fan and it's hard to knock them out."

The England striker added: "I'll always respect the fans, I had a lovely reception from them and I'm thankful for that."

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It's bizarre to me that people either applauded or booed him. Why do anything?

 

[Robbie Boy]

Welbeck has over a 1 in 3 record for Arsenal, that's not bad at all.

It's not great at all. Look back through the thread and plenty believed that he would be banging in twenty a season when he moved. His all round play has actually been surprisingly poor a-lot of times when I've watched him. That's surprised me far more than his lack of goals.

 

[justboy68]

He's done nothing at Arsenal to make us look like fools for selling him. Making points about RVP or Falcao's pace is irrelevant. What about Hernandez? How come no one is clamoring for him back in the same way? He's got pace, is a good finisher and would have stretched many defences for us this season. I haven't heard a peep about him in months though. Welbeck isn't the only former player we had who can run.

 

[Sied]

Still can't believe he celebrated. Despite having calmed down I don't regret booing him as he was subbed either.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

No ,they applauded him for being a United player and fan who was treated shabbily by the club and LVG.

How was he treated shabbily by the club?

 

[Amadaeus]

The fact that Rvp plays in the most static United in years, with no service and in a team who barely creates more than 3 clear cut chances per match and still scores more than a Welbeck who plays in one of the most fluid attacking teams in the PL, who dominate games properly and create speaks volumes. Welbeck normally isnt a starter there. I know its beautiful to see a youth graduate turn into a great player but he isnt (maybe can become one), dont think Welbeck would have done it better here at OT than he has there, and he hasnt been sublime there even.. He's miles above Falcao imo, but I really prefer RVP over him.

Saying there is no service is the understatement of the century. Falcao and Van Persie has had plenty of service, but they are not good enough to convert it. A team that has Di Maraia(Europe leading chance creator last season), mata, Rooney and Herrera amongst the likes of Januzaj and Young (who is playing well this season) shows that service is/should not be an issue, but rather the movement, staticity and converting ability of the two strikers aforementioned.

 

[Cheesy]

He's done nothing at Arsenal to make us look like fools for selling him. Making points about RVP or Falcao's pace is irrelevant. What about Hernandez? How come no one is clamoring for him back in the same way? He's got pace, is a good finisher and would have stretched many defences for us this season. I haven't heard a peep about him in months though. Welbeck isn't the only former player we had who can run.

Yeah, I largely agree with this. I think it's the home-grown aspect which seems to change it a bit. If Hernandez was a homegrown player and Welbeck wasn't, we'd have seen a lot more people desperate for him to stay.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Saying there is no service is the understatement of the century. Falcao and Van Persie has had plenty of service, but they are not good enough to convert it.

This is a weird thing to say, given the general consensus, with regards to our football, is that it's the most boring it's been in a long time.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Saying there is no service is the understatement of the century. Falcao and Van Persie has had plenty of service, but they are not good enough to convert it. A team that has Di Maraia(Europe leading chance creator last season), mata, Rooney and Herrera amongst the likes of Januzaj and Young (who is playing well this season) shows that service is/should not be an issue, but rather the moment, staticity and converting ability of the two strikers aforementioned.

Disagree massively, di Maria offers service but Mata just plays simple balls (have argued this for a long time), Januzaj is more busy with diving and Young just puts in crosses and was injured when RVP was fit. Herrera over service but its obvious that he's more cautious than he was at the beginning of the season. Arsenal's service is at least twice as much.

 

[Amadaeus]

This is a weird thing to say, given the general consensus, with regards to our football, is that it's the most boring it's been in a long time.

Our football is being hindered by those players current ability and others(defenders ball playing ability, Fellaini one dimensional style of play, etc.). It is not a coincidence that a good number of United fans would not mind seeing them shown the door this summer. Bring in a striker that work hard, knows how to play incisive football and hold the play up front and the likes of Di Maria, Herrera, Rooney, etc., would look much better.

 

[antsmithmk]

He didn't do a lot last night, but scored the winning goal.

Which is scoring a winning goal more than RVP and Falcao do most games...

 

[Amadaeus]

Disagree massively, di Maria offers service but Mata just plays simple balls (have argued this for a long time), Januzaj is more busy with diving and Young just puts in crosses and was injured when RVP was fit. Herrera over service but its obvious that he's more cautious than he was at the beginning of the season. Arsenal's service is at least twice as much.

You are just making excuse to strengthen your argument. Saying Herrera offer service, but then backtracking and saying that he is more cautious does not make any sense to me. Mata is a number 10 and when he has runners in front of him, he is cable of creating. Young crosses are considered services and they are not as shit as they were under Moyes. Lastly, Januzaj does not dive the entire 90 minutes of a game. Arsenal has better balance and team cohesion as such, they are much more in sync then United players who looks like they are playing like individual. Like I stated before, team chemistry is one of the most important factors in football and having players who work hard as a team benefit the entire team performance.

 

[jem]

Still can't believe he celebrated. Despite having calmed down I don't regret booing him as he was subbed either.

Are people honestly upset that he celebrated? I far prefer that he be honest and show his emotions than go through some disingenuous, sombre routine, which never really convinces anybody. It was so much more satisfying when RVP celebrated scoring against Arsenal - the fans hate him no matter what, so why not celebrate? When Ronaldo scored against us, his non-celebration did little to salve the wound of his having just scored (although I'm sure a few desperate muppets saw it as a sign that he wanted to return.)

For me, a player's not celebrating is the football equivalent of an ex-girlfriend asking if you are ok following the breakup. Who wants to hear that?

 

[Cheesy]

He didn't do a lot last night, but scored the winning goal.

Which is scoring a winning goal more than RVP and Falcao do most games...

That'll be the same RVP who's scored more goals than him this season?

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Personally always really liked Welbeck, but my theory is that he felt he had more chances of playing at Arsenal and wanted out. I think it's a shame he went, because with a little more patience he could've stayed with us for years. We could've used him for sure even if he doesn't score that much. And now he's pretty much in the same boat at Arsenal, but with Giroud/Walcott types it's maybe a bit easier to get games than competing big names like Rooney/RVP/Di Maria. Can't really blame him for being impatient, and can't really blame the club for letting him go. You just knew he was going to score yesterday, but that's football.

Has the video of his first interview at Arsenal been posted a lot? He seems really happy, and within 20 seconds he talks about how he "envisioned himself playing at Arsenal before", which says enough about his vision on his career I think, like almost 95% of the players out there he's interested in himself first.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Our football is being hindered by those players current ability and others(defenders ball playing ability, Fellaini one dimensional style of play, etc.). It is not a coincidence that a good number of United fans would not mind seeing them shown the door this summer. Bring in a striker that work hard, knows how to play incisive football and hold the play up front and the likes of Di Maria, Herrera, Rooney, etc., would look much better.

I don't believe it will change anything. A forward with the attributes you describe is not going to increase the tempo of our play, or decrease the number of silly mistakes our defense makes etc. We're in the process of rebuilding a team, and we should start from the base i.e. the defense. We could stick Aguero into this team, and he would do absolutely nothing as we'd create very little for him.

 

[Sammyjunn]

You are just making excuse to strengthen your argument. Saying Herrera offer service, but then backtracking and saying that he is more cautious does not make any sense to me. Mata is a number 10 and when he has runners in front of him, he is cable of creating. Young crosses are considered services and they are not as shit as they were under Moyes. Lastly, Januzaj does not dive the entire 90 minutes of a game. Arsenal has better balance and team cohesion as such, they are much more in sync then United players who looks like they are playing like individual. Like I stated before, team chemistry is one of the most important factors in football and having players who work hard as a team benefit the entire team performance.

It's clear as day light that he's been ordered to be a bit more cautious in his passing, as he often loses the ball and that's something LVG doesnt like, that's why he keeps it more safe. But to just see that Cazorla, Ozil, Sanchez, Ox create more than our players is the easiest task a frequent football watches can do, I delibaretely dont know how you can argue that. There have been loads of matches in which we have managed less than 5 shots on target, dont thell me that has nothing to do with our midfielders and the service they give, please.

 

[Sied]

Are people honestly upset that he celebrated? I far prefer that he be honest and show his emotions than go through some disingenuous, sombre routine, which never really convinces anybody. It was so much more satisfying when RVP celebrated scoring against Arsenal - the fans hate him no matter what, so why not celebrate? When Ronaldo scored against us, his non-celebration did little to salve the wound of his having just scored (although I'm sure a few desperate muppets saw it as a sign that he wanted to return.)

For me, a player's not celebrating is the football equivalent of an ex-girlfriend asking if you are ok following the breakup. Who wants to hear that?

It's a sign of respect to the former club that a player can control himself after the adrenaline high that comes from scoring.

Of course you enjoyed RVP celebrating because it rubbed salt into the wound for Arsenal fans. Another reason why it's respectful not to celebrate against your former club. Especially if that club's the one that made you.

 

[Seveneric]

ABUs being ABUs.

Blinkered Liverpool mentality. The 'x' player scores against former club' line is always a selling point for stories and it's something that is usually a talking point in matches when those two teams are facing. It'd have been the focus of the story regardless of which club it was. But yeah ABUs everywhere.

 

[Amadaeus]

I don't believe it will change anything. A forward with the attributes you describe is not going to increase the tempo of our play, or decrease the number of silly mistakes our defense makes etc. We're in the process of rebuilding a team, and we should start from the base i.e. the defense. We could stick Aguero into this team, and he would do absolutely nothing as we'd create very little for him.

You are underestimating how bad Falcao and Van Persie has been . Rooney in the small time upfront, has shown to benefit our attacking play thus far(in my opinion, it is not ideal to have him play as a lone striker). And while in pre-season we saw how fluid our play was with Welbeck alongside Rooney.


I am confident that if he do get strikers with the aforementioned attribute, we will look much better as team. But, as you stated, that is not the only problem. But, it is still one of the bigger problem.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's a sign of respect to the former club that a player can control himself after the adrenaline high that comes from scoring.

Of course you enjoyed RVP celebrating because it rubbed salt into the wound for Arsenal fans. Another reason why it's respectful not to celebrate against your former club. Especially if that club's the one that made you.

Not celebrating has become a ludicrous charade that has feck all to do with respect and everything to do with self-aggrandisement.

If someone is genuinely gutted to score a goal (and I doubt anyone ever is) then they would just run back to the halfway line instead of slowing to a walk and milking the spotlight. Funnily enough, nobody ever does that.

 

[iammemphis]

Didn't bother me one bit he scored. His goal didnt require any special ability, he just pounced on a short pass and had an open goal. He looked same old welbeck last night - scoring the easy open goal. We don't miss him.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

You are underestimating how bad Falcao and Van Persie has been . Rooney in the small time upfront, has shown to benefit our attacking play this far(in my opinion, it is not ideal to have in play as a lone striker). And while in pre-season we saw how fluid our play was with Welbeck alongside Rooney. I am confident that if he do get strikers with the aforementioned attribute, we will look much better as team. But, as you stated, that is not the only problem. But, it is still one of the bigger problem.

Very little benefit, which isn't his fault. Rooney has scored three goals and two have been penalties. Fact is, we've been no better with Rooney upfront.

I would argue that sorting the issues surrounding our defenders and midfielders would probably result in our current strikers scoring more goals than they have.