Barring the goal he was generally shit.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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This is exactly when selling Welbeck to Arsenal is going to be the most annoying. The days when his goals directly results in gained points for them.
A better striker and they could have won
Sanogo and they would have lost...
Well it was either Welbeck or Sanogo. I know who I'd rather they had upfront.
The only reason, i can see is what I noted. Welbeck layed of couple of chances for his teammates to score, held the ball up well and made some good runs(only to have his chance spurned by the keeper or defenders). His selfless attitude on the pitch makes him an easy target for criticism of his performance. But, when you look at his stats, it will show he has one of the highest pass percentage and lowest ball loses, which are critical to a better team performance. Much better than making miss placed passes, multiple failed dribbling/crossing attempt, etc.
Put it simply if sanchez wasnt playing today arsenal would have lost 2-0. Sanchez played a great game.The midfield of arsenal is unbalanced and per mertersaker isnt a top notch CB. Danny welbeck made a good finish but he is playing games and he will score, but he will still not be thiery henry. We all know danny is good striker for teams from 5-9 position in the table, he wont win you games single handedly or completely dominate a defense like aguero/pelle did today.
I was watching the match on the flip and danny dint have anything else to do, holds the ball up too much and does pointless things so many times. Sanchez saved arse's arse .
I think when giroud or Walcott come back danny will play on wing or the bench as walcott wants to play in middle and you cant put giroud on wings. Arsenal use one striker so Danny will be on the wing/ bench in january.
I was watching the match on the flip and danny dint have anything else to do, holds the ball up too much and does pointless things so many times. Sanchez saved arse's arse .
I think when giroud or Walcott come back danny will play on wing or the bench as walcott wants to play in middle and you cant put giroud on wings. Arsenal use one striker so Danny will be on the wing/ bench in january.
Campbell could have played up top or Sanchez, possibly.
Welbeck is better then Campbell, obviously.
I didn't watch the game, but that can generally happen for strikers, although Welbeck's normally very good in his approach play.
Van Persie hasn't been anything special this season but he has scored. Costa against Arsenal was non existent, but he scored. Strikers will be judged on goals, and that's what Welbeck did today. That's what baffles me, though. Welbeck plays poor and scores a goal and he was 'generally shit'. Welbeck plays good and doesn't score a goal 'he doesn't score enough goals'. Poor Welbz.
You're probably just trying to take some joy out of another frustrating result in whatever way you can, but I'll reply anyway. It wasn't Welbeck's fault because there were very few players that actually played well. Gibbs and Sánchez and that's about it probably. Oxlade-Chamberlain was awful but Wilshere's brainless lunge and inevitable injury unfortunately forced Wenger to keep him on the pitch. I just felt it was worth pointing out that this whole "Welbeck saved the day for Arsenal" narrative isn't entirely true, and I don't think it's unfair to suggest if a top class striker was there instead they would've done a bit more with the (somewhat limited) service.
They had Van Persie and still finished 4th or 3rd.
This myth about needing a top class striker to go places is a myth. You need a great team.
Van Persie has been getting a lot of stick from our fans this season. A lot want him dropped. Just take a peek at his thread on here.
Hope you're talking about the Brazilian one.
Feck what the fans think. They don't pick the team. He's in the team because he's scoring goals. That was my point.
For me, Arsenal should only play one of Cazorla, Ozil and Wilshere. Its the only way to balance that midfield.
Fair enough. Just pointing out that it wasn't just Sanogo to choose from.
From the little of seen of Campbell, he's possibly more suited to the lone role in that team than Welbeck, but I haven't seen a whole lot of him.
How does this work? We count the points when his goal gives them a result and when he doesn't score anything, give him a zero?
To be fair, you could argue that their team as a whole was a lot weaker back then. They had RVP, but didn't have players like Sanchez and Ozil, while Ramsey was yet to show any signs that he would potentially be an excellent player for them. Put RVP in their team now, with their other major players fit and in form, and they'd have a better shot at the title I expect.
You don't necessarily need a top class striker, but very few teams don't have a player who's a clinical goalscorer in their side. Some exist, but they're fairly rare and will generally be superb defensively.
Lets say he scores 2 in a 4-0 win, its doesn't really effect us. But like today, his goal directly earn Arsenal points. Points which could cost us 4th at the end of the season. So yes, thats annoying, and something many people predicted would happen.
This team is much better and much more settled than the one Van Persie carried to 4th place in his last season. They had lost both Nasri and Fabregas in the same summer and yet still managed to claw their way into the top 4 due to Van Persie's goal scoring.
First season he's getting regular games playing upfront. He's struggling a bit with new teammates, but still scoring goals. And he scores more than any of our so called 'great' strikers/forwards so far. But meh, ..
Our goals will be shared between our strikers which is why I suspect none of them will rack up a great tally. Welbeck on the other hand is the sole option Arsenal have. Hardly a shock if he scores more
2 league goals? I'm sure ours would have more too if they had more games to play in.
We have season pros, Welbeck is not. Suarez played with Sturridge last season, but still racked up goals more than Giroud. RvP had Rooney two seasons ago, and was still top scorer.
Really? There are only a handful of sides that have top strikers today. The rest make up for that imbalance by having a decent striker supported by a strong cast from the back 4, and the midfield (Dortmund, Atletico)... Real's best striker is Benzema, and I wouldn't call him a top striker, or even clinical. His strengths lie elsewhere... but that is besides my point.
I would say Arsenal's failings this season are at the DM position, and lack of adequate cover for Mertesacker and Kos. If they had those they would have had 3 points in the bag today. Sanchez, Welbeck, Ramsey (on form), Walcott, Ox and Giroud is more than enough for an attacking ensemble.
He's scored two league goals - the exact same number as RVP who's been taking a lot of criticism. Granted, he had that superb performance in the CL, but that's a large part of why he's scored more than our forwards. I get that I can't just remove that performance since it is part of how he's done for them, but it does slightly skew his goalscoring stats for Arsenal. I'd be surprised if he's got more goals than all of our strikers by the end of the season.
Dortmund had Lewandowski for a number of years. When you were talking about "going places", I assumed you meant teams that were winning trophies, leagues etc. Not that Dortmund aren't a very good team, but they'd undoubtedly be benefited now by adding a top striker and would pose a bigger threat to Bayern.
Last season, Atletico had Costa. While Simeone built a superb overall side that worked well together, they'd have struggled to win the league without a striker of Costa's ability playing for them.
Real have Ronaldo. He may not be a striker as such, but virtually no top sides out there are going to have someone who isn't a striker that can almost guarantee them 30-40 goals (and possibly more) in the league every single season. That's not to mention someone like Bale on top of Ronaldo, since he's also very clinical.
The vast majority of top sides (successful ones) will have a very good striker in there. Last season, for example, Chelsea lacked one. Granted, the introduction of Fabregas has been a massive boost, but a player like Costa to lead the line is exactly what they've needed.
You can get away without a top striker if you have a very good team, but the vast majority will have a very good striker in there somewhere.
I haven't watched today's game, but whenever I saw Arsenal against stronger sides this season or against any team that is defending well(you could say the same about last few seasons too), they looked pretty dull upfront. It didn't matter if they had their strongest attackers on the field or they were without key players, they were always pretty much clueless when they had good defensive setup against them. Lot of passing and good stuff all around, but when they reach the attacking third they have no idea what to do with the ball and opposition find it very easy to defend against them I feel.
I don't think even true world class striker would improve them that much. Sure, excellent poacher/finisher could win them games from just one chance from time to time, but would he improve them that much? I don't think so, I think they have bigger issues with their system, style of play, or whatever - attacking wise speaking, than they do with their individuals. They remind me at times at United under Moyes when he decided in some games we should be playing possession football, without actually explaining our players how to search for a goal.
I don't think even true world class striker would improve them that much. Sure, excellent poacher/finisher could win them games from just one chance from time to time, but would he improve them that much? I don't think so, I think they have bigger issues with their system, style of play, or whatever - attacking wise speaking, than they do with their individuals. They remind me at times at United under Moyes when he decided in some games we should be playing possession football, without actually explaining our players how to search for a goal.
1> RvP criticism is because he has a zombie movement and work rate so far this season, not for his goalscoring record. At least that's from my point of view.
2> Tell that to Akash
. Well, hopefully so. Otherwise, selling him would be seen as a big mistake in our part.1> RvP criticism is because he has a zombie movement and work rate so far this season, not for his goalscoring record. At least that's from my point of view.
2> Tell that to Akash
True, although the posters point was more about Welbeck having scored more goals. Was pointing out that in the league at least, he's still pretty equal with someone who's been nowhere near his best. Obviously CL changes things, but that great game for him does skew his stats a bit.
Welbz wasn't at his best today but got us A goal that gives us a disappointing draw. His hold up play has been really quite decent since he's came and today was probably his worse at that yet he got us a goal and wasn't even in the top 5 worse players (which doesn't say much) but saw someone say he was the main reason why we weren't winning which is honestly laughable.
Fair point. Obviously so little number of games to give opinion whether he's a failure or not. But so far, he's doing more than expected/perceived, imho.
Yeah, he's had a decent start for them so far and is delivering.
Really good post! Only bit I disagree with is that the truely world class players wouldnt have improved us. A striker like messi, Suarez, Aguero would no doubt put us on to the next level although l think those of the calibre of higuain, cavani and lewandowski would leave us with the seams issues- it really is frustrating!
Giroud is a bit shit though (at least Arsenal fans think so), Welbeck is not.
If any of our strikers spent the entire season playing up top they would comfortably outscore Welbeck. As it is Rooney looks like he'll be spending the season as a number 10 and Falcao seems to be playing a bit deeper than he normally does.
I'm not putting down Welbeck. I like him and selling to Arsenal was the wrong move but all our strikers are considerably better.
Although I can't agree with those, at least we can have good conversation, akash
. I think RvP is finish, and Welbeck is better than Falcao in that deeper role he's playing.That was never really the issue tho, it was more that welbeck is 23 and has the potential to grow into a very good striker, how good no one really knows yet. Rvp is getting on and falcao has come to a new league on the back of an injury which has kept him out for a year! Of course if it doesn't work out well for them you could go and throw another 50 odd million strikers but many felt that United were going away from some of the aspects that made them the club they are and probably why this debate will run for at least the next few months.
so Wenger plans to play him out wide once Giroud comes back 
Welbz had one half-chance and put it away
Not only that, but Whoscored has him as your second best performer in that game behind Sanchez who was man of the match. As seen again, the problem with Arsenal are you guys defense and holding midfielder. Flamini and Arteta could compete with our midfield players under Moyes last season. They are really that bad. I honestly do not understand the criticism of his performance today beside what I noted.
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