Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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I say tell him to back heel everything.

But seriously, his ability to control a ball is so much better than his power shot, he should try more often to finish with finesse instead of power, lobs over the goalkeeper, nutmegs, using a shot fake to dribble around the keeper and other such fancy finishes.

I still think he'll end up being a a great player for us, he's progressing nicely.
 
I have my doubts he'll be a great player for us. But let's hope I'm proved wrong.
 
It seems a weird time to say it after tonight, but he doesn't look like he wants to score enough. That urge to get on the end of the cross or to make runs through the middle demanding the ball...it's not there yet, and it can make a team look a bit short up front if he's the furthest forward whilst playing like that. There looks to me to be a problem with confidence in this aspect.

If he does develop this side of his game, he'll be a hell of a player. We know from his performances in the reserves that there's more to his game than he's currently showing - it's the confidence to express and want to score that's missing.
 
KingEric7 said:
It seems a weird time to say it after tonight, but he doesn't look like he wants to score enough. That urge to get on the end of the cross or to make runs through the middle demanding the ball...it's not there yet, and it can make a team look a bit short up front if he's the furthest forward whilst playing like that. There looks to me to be a problem with confidence in this aspect.

If he does develop this side of his game, he'll be a hell of a player. We know from his performances in the reserves that there's more to his game than he's currently showing - it's the confidence to express and want to score that's missing.
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Weirdly, I've been thinking something similar but in a different way – that not scoring, missing chances etc don't seem to affect him too much. He doesn't seem to have that massive desire for goals, he's a very unselfish player. It's not really a criticism either, it's just that he might not necessarily develop into a prolific goalscorer. Not the end of the world, he does plenty of other things brilliantly.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
He reminds me of Adebayor but a class above.
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And that posts sums up why I'm so critical of him.



Adebayor, sulky twat or not, has played for Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs and Real Madrid and has scored more than 30 goals in a season at top level. Welbeck has played one season for us, where he lead the line and only scored 12. He's yet to score this season.
 
golden_blunder said:
Scorer of great goals but not a great goalscorer?
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I don't know what he is tbh. He's not a good enough finisher yet, and I have my doubts if he'll ever be. He has good link up play but he'll never be able to provide the assists needed to be a number 10. And he isn't a winger.
 
Phil Jones syndrome then, in a way. ;)

He definitely needs to improve either the creative or goalscoring aspect of his game. Got lots of time to do that providing he's patient and doesn't mind competing for the next few years with Van Persie and Rooney.
 
finneh said:
The problem he will have is that he isn't going to be afforded unlimited time to reach his potential, given the wealth of attacking options we have; and rightfully so..
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Um.. Yes he is. He's a born and bred Manchester youth product who came through the academy..

He is living, breathing and playing proof that the dollars spent on our Academy are worth spending. He'll get all the time in the world; and rightfully so. He cost us nothing to buy and will give everything for his home town club.
 
Will Absolute said:
His inclination to turn away from goal rather than towards it is a big problem. He needs to stop fannying around.
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This. He is always facing away from goal. Neat player no doubt but if he's up front he needs to be finding space to have a go, not just lay it off.
 
That's one annoying thing with Welbeck - his dribbling seems to have completely disappeared. There were times in the reserves sometimes whereby he'd just languidly go past a few players without too much effort on occasions. Even when he first started appearing in the first team, there was a game (Tottenham, I think) whereby he went on two mental runs and just took out their whole defence without too much effort. Not that he was ever a Messi or a Giggs or anything like that, but much more inclined to go forward.

A mental thing, again. So many different facets of his game will improve when he gains in confidence. The finishing, the dribbling, turning to face goal, etc...
 
He's only 21 FFS! This kid is a serious talent. His footwork is fantastic. He needs to work on the consistency of his finishing rather than the quality of it, because at times we've seen him produce some delightful finishes. You can be sure the coaching staff are working hard on developing that part of his game.

His link up play with Cleverley is some of the most exciting football I've seen come out of our academy in 15 years. I swear, every player has to be the next Messi these days.

Lets give the lad a proper chance. His physique, ball control and movement alone should be sign enough that we've got a real player on our hands here. Plus he's got a terrific engine and a great attitude. Happy to play wider if asked to. Can't wait to watch his development.
 
KingEric7 said:
That's one annoying thing with Welbeck - his dribbling seems to have completely disappeared. There were times in the reserves sometimes whereby he'd just languidly go past a few players without too much effort on occasions. Even when he first started appearing in the first team, there was a game (Tottenham, I think) whereby he went on two mental runs and just took out their whole defence without too much effort. Not that he was ever a Messi or a Giggs or anything like that, but much more inclined to go forward.

A mental thing, again. So many different facets of his game will improve when he gains in confidence. The finishing, the dribbling, turning to face goal, etc...
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This is a perfect example among thousands others why reserve football or youth football (club or international) mean next to nothing when it comes to a young player playing with the seniors.
It's more difficult, more physical, more intense .. more everything
 
simonhch said:
He's only 21 FFS! This kid is a serious talent. His footwork is fantastic. He needs to work on the consistency of his finishing rather than the quality of it, because at times we've seen him produce some delightful finishes. You can be sure the coaching staff are working hard on developing that part of his game.

His link up play with Cleverley is some of the most exciting football I've seen come out of our academy in 15 years. I swear, every player has to be the next Messi these days.

Lets give the lad a proper chance. His physique, ball control and movement alone should be sign enough that we've got a real player on our hands here. Plus he's got a terrific engine and a great attitude. Happy to play wider if asked to. Can't wait to watch his development.
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Agree completely. People expect way too much from young players these days. If they aren't scoring 20 goals a season at 21 then they are and will always be average. Its crazy
 
Lynk said:
And that posts sums up why I'm so critical of him.



Adebayor, sulky twat or not, has played for Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs and Real Madrid and has scored more than 30 goals in a season at top level. Welbeck has played one season for us, where he lead the line and only scored 12. He's yet to score this season.
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He's 21 you pillock.
 
Lynk said:
And that posts sums up why I'm so critical of him.



Adebayor, sulky twat or not, has played for Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs and Real Madrid and has scored more than 30 goals in a season at top level. Welbeck has played one season for us, where he lead the line and only scored 12. He's yet to score this season.
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I don't get it, why are you so critical of him?

When I said a class above Adebayor I meant that Welbeck to me seems a better player now than Adebayor was in his early Arsenal days when he himself was Welbeck's age. Danny seems so much more mature, intelligent and able to influence games than Adebayor, he seems a much more grounded and humble player with a strong and positive mentality; so much so that perhaps the comparison falls flat somewhat; he reminds me more of the Arsenal man in stance and gait than anything else, they each have a clumsy looking demeanour on the ball., I like Adebayor but it's his temperament and mentality that lets him down much of the time, yet I see no such issues in the similarly talented Danny Welbeck.
 
Only seen the highlights from the match, but my take is Welbeck suffers from a lack of composure in front of goal sometimes. Clearly evident yesterday and I think players miss sitters so much because of the pressure surrounding you if you miss. Very easy to not concentrate properly and look silly. Taking a more difficult shot is met with more leniency as the burden of expectation drops considerably.

Considering Welbeck, he's 21 lads. It doesn't take much for fans' opinions on a player to change and I think within a few years' time, he will make the necessary improvements to become a much better finisher and player. I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to seeing Welbeck continue to develop at United and progress with England. His backheel finish was sublime and was an indication of how good his finishes are when he doesn't have to think about them. Some posters seem to have less patience with him and I'm not sure why. He's a very unselfish player who is going to learn how to become a better goalscorer. He has no better place to look than at both Rooney and Van Persie.

I want to specifically pick out Rooney because here is a player who has tremendously added to his game. When he first came to United, he was known for his instinctiveness, pace, dribbling ability and a great goalscorer. In the past few years, he has improved his passing game, heading ability, movement, and most importantly, a more potent finisher. Recently, we've noted his consistency with his spot kicks and increasingly more accurate freekicks. This is truly fantastic and the lad is 26. Going back to Danny, do some of you think that within 5 years, Welbeck couldn't at least improve in one of these areas? This is the gist I get from some of you and I hope I'm misinterpreting it. I agree, right now, he needs to be more selfish and become a more consistent goalscorer, but where I disagree is it becoming a point of concern. I'm sure the staff have already looked into this considering Fergie's comments on how he would like to see 20 from Danny. We have a long season ahead of us and I dont think Welbz has hit top form yet. Especially when RVP, Kagawa, and Rooney seem to be more highly favored than Welbeck in the starting XI.

Honestly struggling to understand the lack of patience on here by the likes of posters such as Lynk. Maybe I'm missing a key point. Feel free to flesh it out.
 
Lynk said:
And that posts sums up why I'm so critical of him.



Adebayor, sulky twat or not, has played for Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs and Real Madrid and has scored more than 30 goals in a season at top level. Welbeck has played one season for us, where he lead the line and only scored 12. He's yet to score this season.
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Adebayor at the same age had inferior stats.
 
Plato said:
Only seen the highlights from the match, but my take is Welbeck suffers from a lack of composure in front of goal sometimes. Clearly evident yesterday and I think players miss sitters so much because of the pressure surrounding you if you miss. Very easy to not concentrate properly and look silly. Taking a more difficult shot is met with more leniency as the burden of expectation drops considerably.
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I think it comes down to his humility and his own personal analysis of himself. (Remember some dopey nump said he's got a self-esteem problem.. :lol:) He's not an arrogant twat and he's not over-confident in his abilities. He's a humble kid who's playing for his boyhood home town club and now his country.

I agree that this can be a bit of a problem as he is always looking to be the nice guy in front of goal. But it isn't a slight on his game at all. That is a healthy trait that has disappeared in a lot of young players.

I will agree with everyone who says; "Jesus, he's 21.. Lets give this lad a chance he's clearly talented.." because it's clearly true.

Clearly..
 
He is only 21, plays regularely for United and England, a youth product - and obviously very talented but with flaws like 99% of the young players. I have no doubts that he will become a class player within the next 3 years. Once he finds that composure infront of goal, he would be a very complete striker
 
At the same age Rooney was pretty erratic with his finishing, as was Ronaldo and they are now two of the most potent finishers in world football. Not saying he will ever reach that level but to write off his finishing at this stage is criminal
 
ghaliboy said:
Um.. Yes he is. He's a born and bred Manchester youth product who came through the academy..

He is living, breathing and playing proof that the dollars spent on our Academy are worth spending. He'll get all the time in the world; and rightfully so. He cost us nothing to buy and will give everything for his home town club.
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Just like every other youth product, he'll be given a good amount of time to prove he can make it at United. If after this period of time he hasn't, he'll be moved on like any other player that hasn't quite been good enough over the last 20 years.

If you think he'll still be here if he is exactly the same player he currently is in say 4 years, then I beg to differ. I personally think he'll improve and become a versatile squad player for the next 7-8 years, but not enough to become a solid first choice striker at a club like United (obviously I hope he becomes one of the best strikers in the world!)
 
RyanGoggs said:
At the same age Rooney was pretty erratic with his finishing, as was Ronaldo and they are now two of the most potent finishers in world football. Not saying he will ever reach that level but to write off his finishing at this stage is criminal
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Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
 
ghaliboy said:
I think it comes down to his humility and his own personal analysis of himself. (Remember some dopey nump said he's got a self-esteem problem.. :lol:) He's not an arrogant twat and he's not over-confident in his abilities. He's a humble kid who's playing for his boyhood home town club and now his country.

I agree that this can be a bit of a problem as he is always looking to be the nice guy in front of goal. But it isn't a slight on his game at all. That is a healthy trait that has disappeared in a lot of young players.

I will agree with everyone who says; "Jesus, he's 21.. Lets give this lad a chance he's clearly talented.." because it's clearly true.


Clearly..
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Ye. Not sure why some are being so short-sighted when it comes to our youngsters.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
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No-one's expecting him to be the new Ronaldo or Rooney, he was simply saying that they - like Welbeck, Henry and so many others - were erratic finishers at an early age. Being a natural predator/goalscorer isn't a skill you can improve but finishing definitely is, and the composure/confidence in front of goal will come as his finishing improves and he becomes a more regular scorer. I've no idea why you seem so intent on talking down a young player, a young player Rooney called his player of the season last year. He's already proven his first wave of doubters wrong and I'm sure he'll do the same with this wave.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
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I'm talking purely about his finishing. Didn't Ferguson reject Zidane at 23 and Henry at about 20? Not everyone develops at the same rate. Welbeck does not need to become world class to be a very valuable Man Utd player (see Fletcher, O' Shea, Butt etc)
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
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Welbeck is an unknown at this point. He certainly can reach any level. He's only a kid.

Compare him to Drogba and David Villa and he's miles ahead at this stage of his career. Comparing any youth player to another player is ridiculous.
 
We have a home grown player who is playing for Manchester United and his country. He can't be that bad already! Will also improve as he ages.

All positives.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
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Next time try to read the post properly before making a reply like that.
Oh n btw, it's clear that Ferguson rates very highly. That buzz is enough for me.
 
RyanGoggs said:
I'm talking purely about his finishing. Didn't Ferguson reject Zidane at 23 and Henry at about 20? Not everyone develops at the same rate. Welbeck does not need to become world class to be a very valuable Man Utd player (see Fletcher, O' Shea, Butt etc)
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They don't.

I am not sure if SAF rejected Zidane, more that we watched him but did not make a move for him, that happens with loads of players though. It was Jack Walker at Blackburn who actively rejected King Kenny's request to bid for him, making this famous statement "Why do you want to sign Zidane when we have Tim Sherwood?".

I like Cider's comparison with Adebayor. I think Welbeck can become a more prolific striker (hell he has 0 in 10 this season). Like Ade though, I always think that he will have that lack of fundamental control and grace that results in frustrating performances. That said, Adebayor without the attitude is an asset to any top club. Welbeck has a great attitude.

I just don't see him ever developing into a 'world class' player though, in the bracket below.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Before Ronaldo was 20, Luis Figo was a saying that he would become the best player in the world. Before Rooney was 20, many people were saying that he would become the worlds best player. Both won versions of the world Young Player Of The Year awards.

There just isn't that kind of buzz from anyone inside the game about Welbeck. These kind of comparisons are erroneous. Welbeck has not shown the potential to reach those heights.

He can become a very good player but lets not get all RAWK about it.
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Who the hell said he is going to be one of the best in the world? Why do people feel the need to compare every young player with Ronaldo or Messi?
 
I was just having a gander at the highlights. Anyone else notice the way he stopped and stood still when Cahil had his volley. Hard to tell on the shitty video I had but it looked like a more instinctive striker would have followed it in to at least challenge the keeper.
 
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