Not hard to expect him to have an ineffective game now and then, wouldn't use the adjective poor
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Not hard to expect him to have an ineffective game now and then, wouldn't use the adjective poor
Its hard and he's a young lad so we should have a go at him for not excelling at the difficult task? Not for me ta. He wasn't even that bad until the last 15/20 mins where he looked knackered IMO. You have to look at the opposition also, Liverpool have a pretty good defence and there wasn't much support or supply for him at all. He did ok overall, so I really don't see why people are criticising him
Yeah, of course. I'm not sure there was an obvious change that should have been made, but that particular one surely had pretty long odds of being beneficial.
He was very isolated and when the ball did come to him he lacked a bit of composure, but it was a hard task and we have to remember he's still developing.
Completely agree, don't see how its even possible, I can't imagine All3 even watches the games, just can't believe someone has such a poor understanding of football.
um no I didn't. You're saying that. It's harsh that you're highlighting this now when he's not at his best game alone upfront. Are you expecting that much consistency from a 21 year old? We all see the potential but he's still got much to learn
Not much wrong with his performance, a tough away game.Yes on a couple of occasions the decision making could have been better but with fatigue and frustration, any player is prone to make stupid things.
And he has a lot of physical developing to come as well
What did he do that was stupid?Wrong decisions in hindsight I'd agree but stupid?
This post is funnier when read in a Life of Brian voice.
It's extremely difficult to look good playing the lone frontman role when you have so little support. Wayne Rooney wouldn't have done much better today under similar circumstances.
Welbeck needed support from midfield (Giggs) or strong attacking wing play with runners from deep to be constantly involved in an attacking sense. Neither of those happened for him so he was left isolated and largely marked out of the game. In that situation all you can ask is that he puts pressure on the defenders, works hard, and still keeps trying to time runs and create opportunities. Which he did.
Welbeck needed support from midfield (Giggs) or strong attacking wing play with runners from deep to be constantly involved in an attacking sense. Neither of those happened for him so he was left isolated and largely marked out of the game. In that situation all you can ask is that he puts pressure on the defenders, works hard, and still keeps trying to time runs and create opportunities. Which he did.
Chill out brother , I was talking in general there.
I am not sure if Welbeck has the first touch or the individual creativity to play as a lone striker, he seems to be more suited to play along side someone, playing a pass and then making a run.
Absolutely. Not sure anyone's expecting anything else.
I certainly wouldn't be shouting at him in the flesh. But it's a message-board, there's nothing wrong with saying you think a player didn't have a good game, it's not like he's going to read it.
didn't have much of an effect. when we play with only one striker he seldom does anything. doesn't matter who it is.
I disagree. Rooney has played that role well on a number of occasions.
He seems to be the only one capable of it though.
1 striker against 5 defenders. You need look no further than that. It would have took Ronaldo or Messi on their own to cause them problems today.
Going back to the Ronaldo days, yes. There are obvious reasons why Rooney had more joy on his own when Ronaldo was also in the team.
Nowadays, Rooney gets frustrated when playing on his own and is largely ineffective.
Rooney was terrific on his own a couple of seasons back when Ronaldo had left so that theory can get chucked out. As cw1984 says, Rooney is the only one capable of playing the lone striker role and even then you probably need someone like Nani in the team to add the attacking element. We didn't have the players today to play 4-5-1 to be honest.
I'm afraid to say but he is a bit overrated. Good player overall but to play the lone striker is to much for the lad.
yes, but most of the time, all people did was complain about him being ineffective and wonder why SA would put him in that position.
Why would you say he is overrated though considering neither Berbatov or Hernandez are quite good enough to play up front on their own against a team of Liverpool's calibre.
If the definition of a striker being overrated is that he cannot play alone up top against 3 centrebacks, then I'm not sure there's a striker in the world that isn't overrated.
Rooney played an entire season (09/10) and scored 35 goals and scored in nearly every big game.
He is our only striker that can lead the line by himself. He is actually quite good at it. Attacking wise we were great in 09/10 and just lost out to a very good Chelsea side with Rooney injured.
He is our only striker that can lead the line by himself. He is actually quite good at it. Attacking wise we were great in 09/10 and just lost out to a very good Chelsea side with Rooney injured.
Eh? How did you come to the conclusion he's overrated?
Ok, I realised something today with the way I was talking about the lad, and have been pondering it since his return from Sunderland.
I was completely and utterly wrong on this lad, I just couldn't see him being good enough, he was out of his depth at the time and shunted out wide, where he looked even more out of his depth. I'm big enough to see the errors of my ways. Fair fecking play Danny Welbeck.
I was completely and utterly wrong on this lad, I just couldn't see him being good enough, he was out of his depth at the time and shunted out wide, where he looked even more out of his depth. I'm big enough to see the errors of my ways. Fair fecking play Danny Welbeck.
The game certainly shows you what a good understanding Rooney and Welbeck have, because it was almost entirely missing between anyone and Welbeck this game.
Early on some of us noted how well Cleverley, Anderson and Welbeck link up, I think we missed them as well. i can't help but think Berbatov might have been a better choice to play 'in the hole' rather than Giggs and Park, or even Welbeck with Chicharito ahead of him.
Early on some of us noted how well Cleverley, Anderson and Welbeck link up, I think we missed them as well. i can't help but think Berbatov might have been a better choice to play 'in the hole' rather than Giggs and Park, or even Welbeck with Chicharito ahead of him.
The only way you learn how to play up top on your own is...to play up top on your own. Danny has all the ability to be ideal for that role, just needs to knit it all together, which is something that could take years (as it did with Rooney), but I think he'll get the hang of it faster.
'Welbz is a top talent and will be a top player all being well but its Anfield, we don't often get much from there and when we do its close or smash and grab type goal. Its too big a game to judge him on. Even if he had have scored theirs no saying Liverpool and their fans would allow him to perform and have space or time etc.
another 'young and learnin' player. He has made great strides in the last year or so, but he must improve his decision making.
Not there yet, but definitely on the right track
Not there yet, but definitely on the right track
Wellbeck is developing very nicely thank you as is going to be a big star for United & England for years to come. Im very excited about him and I don't mean just sexually.
Same here. He's not there yet but he's heading towards the right direction
Have I said anything about Welbeck in 2002? Im just curious. He's Welbeck btw and not Wellbeck.
No, but I remember you wanting us to sign Welbekio from InterNazi in 2002.
He is still incredibly young. Most strikers would struggle to play on their own at that age, it is something that will come with experience. Also remember he was playing against a (relatively) decent defence so it was as expected. I've seen Rooney go missing in games where he is up top on his own, it happens. Welbeck is definately not overated though, fantastic young player.
You could be right. Who am I to question my no 1 fan?
To correct you again, the club with the closest links with Nazi Fascism in Italy is not Inter (which ironically enough are called Internazionale ie international) but Lazio. I bet Suarez would feel at home with the second biggest team in Rome.
gone off the boil since the winning goal against arsenal.
I thought he was pretty good today, worked hard and his link up at time was brilliant. The one issue i have with him is hes not greedy enough, today he tried to play a 1-2 with Rooney where i thought he could have had a shot
How has he gone of the boil since the Arsenal game?. It's only been 3 games and he didn't play in 1 of them. Against Liverpool and Chelsea today I thought he did ok.
He was good again today. Should shoot more though. Be more selfish boy
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