Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

[AttackingFlair]

Agreed, he fully deserves to be first choice with Rooney after his performances

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No, people for some reason think he'll be better than Van Persie. I'm a fan of Welbeck but some of the posters on here are way OTT and then when someone points that out, the typical reaction is 'why are people being so negative' when it's the over hyping that causes it in the first place. Everyone is happy to accept that he's played very well and is a good youngster, potentially very good striker.

You're making shit up now. Nobody said Welbeck would be better than Van Persie. Re-read the thread.

As for how good he might become. Kind of arrogant of you to assume that you know exactly how well a 21 year old kid might become. It's impossible to know at this early point in his career. Right now, though, he's done more in his career than a lot of great strikers. Yes, even Van Persie. Who was still playing as a left winger when he was Welbeck's age and fallen completely out of favour at his club at the time.

 

[KM]

There's no reason why Welbeck can't become better or equal to Van Persie. I also disagree with the statement Van Persie when fit was always among the world's best strikers, he has just reached his peak right now, two-three seasons ago even when he was fit, he was never among the world's best. I fail to see how some posters are uber-confident that he'll never turn as good as Van Persie.

Personally for some strange reason Danny has been always under-rated on the Caf, when he was breaking through their were still doubts over him despite his unquestionable talent. Even after the start of this season their were doubts over him when he didn't perform well against WBA in the opening match.

He's just 21 and is already a starter in our team and has already scored at Emirates and Etihad this season, whilst also assisting Hernandez's goal at Anfield.

FWIW When Van Persie was of Danny's age, he scored 10 goals in 41 appearances for Arsenal in his debut season. Danny already has 9 in 26.

 

[relx]

At the rate he's improving, he'll have a mensah-esque footballing brain in no time. Not to mention his drool-worthy, tackie first touches at times

 

[AttackingFlair]

You're making shit up now. Nobody said Welbeck would be better than Van Persie. Re-read the thread.

As for how good he might become. Kind of arrogant of you to assume that you know exactly how well a 21 year old kid might become. It's impossible to know at this early point in his career. Right now, though, he's done more in his career than a lot of great strikers. Yes, even Van Persie

i think injuries permitting welbeck will be better than RVP

Maybe you should re-read the thread.

 

[Varun]

There's no reason why Welbeck can't become better or equal to Van Persie. I also disagree with the statement Van Persie when fit was always among the world's best strikers, he has just reached his peak right now, two-three seasons ago even when he was fit, he was never among the world's best. I fail to see how some posters are uber-confident that he'll never turn as good as Van Persie.

Personally for some strange reason Danny has been always under-rated on the Caf, when he was breaking through their were still doubts over him despite his unquestionable talent. Even after the start of this season their were doubts over him when he didn't perform well against WBA in the opening match.

He's just 21 and is already a starter in our team and has already scored at Emirates and Etihad this season, whilst also assisting Hernandez's goal at Anfield.

FWIW When Van Persie was of Danny's age, he scored 10 goals in 41 appearances for Arsenal in his debut season. Danny already has 9 in 26.

Nobody's denying welbeck's quality KM. Its there for everyone to see. Attackingflair has already said so himself that he thinks he'l be a top striker. Its just that statements like he's going to be better than RVP are a tad premature considering its his first full season with us. He's young and has a lot of potential, whether he'l be better than RVP, no one knows.

 

[sajeev]

Nobody's denying welbeck's quality KM. Its there for everyone to see. Attackingflair has already said so himself that he thinks he'l be a top striker. Its just that statements like he's going to be better than RVP are a tad premature considering its his first full season with us. He's young and has a lot of potential, whether he'l be better than RVP, no one knows.

it is his first full season with us, but Welbeck has been with us a long time. I have been following his progress since the Fergie quote about a kid who is going to play at Old Trafford for a long time. I think one is entitled to hold an opinion that he can be better than Van Persie. It is not a definite statement, just an opinion.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Nobody's denying welbeck's quality KM. Its there for everyone to see. Attackingflair has already said so himself that he thinks he'l be a top striker. Its just that statements like he's going to be better than RVP are a tad premature considering its his first full season with us. He's young and has a lot of potential, whether he'l be better than RVP, no one knows.

Yet people are prepared to state as fact - not opinion - that he definitely won't?

All we do know for a fact is that he's having a better season (and has had a better career to date) than RvP when he was a few months past his 21st birthday.

 

[KM]

Nobody's denying welbeck's quality KM. Its there for everyone to see. Attackingflair has already said so himself that he thinks he'l be a top striker. Its just that statements like he's going to be better than RVP are a tad premature considering its his first full season with us. He's young and has a lot of potential, whether he'l be better than RVP, no one knows.

He could be a very good striker but he's not as talented as players like RVP or Rooney who are more than just great strikers and have an overall game that few strikers (even great ones) possess. Both are comfortable and good enough to play behind the striker for top clubs, RVP and Rooney have also shown they can score a shed load of goals playing as the number 9 also.

I'm not sure how AF can deride people for saying that Danny will be as good as Van Persie then himself say in the next paragraph he won't be as good as Van Persie ever. Welbeck has shown himself as more of a player than Van Persie when he was 21.

 

[Varun]

it is his first full season with us, but Welbeck has been with us a long time. I have been following his progress since the Fergie quote about a kid who is going to play at Old Trafford for a long time. I think one is entitled to hold an opinion that he can be better than Van Persie. It is not a definite statement, just an opinion.

ofcourse you are. Its a tad premature though imo. Nevertheless, ends up better than RVP or not, his quality atm now is there for all to see. fantastic young player.

 

[Varun]

Yet people are prepared to state as fact - not opinion - that he definitely won't?

All we do know for a fact is that he's having a better season (and has had a better career to date) than RvP when he was a few months past his 21st birthday.

I'm not sure how AF can deride people for saying that Danny will be as good as Van Persie then himself say in the next paragraph he won't be as good as Van Persie ever. Welbeck has shown himself as more of a player than Van Persie when he was 21.

I seemed to have missed that post by Attackingflair. Saying he definitely wont be as good as RVP is bollox again. Considering his age and potential, he surely can be as good as him. Its just the definitive "he will be" or " he wont be" that i dont agree with.

 

[Sultan]

Big call this, but I reckon his link up play, and moving defenders out of position is already better than V Persie.

PS: Don't call me retarded. Just saying some aspects of his game are better. I'm not suggesting in any way Welbeck is an overall better player, or predicting he will be better this early in his career.

 

[Sultan]

you'll all be crying doom whenever he misses a game in a few years.

Funnily enough, I do it already

He'll be even better once Cleverley and Rooney are playing together just behind him.

 

[AttackingFlair]

I'm not sure how AF can deride people for saying that Danny will be as good as Van Persie then himself say in the next paragraph he won't be as good as Van Persie ever. Welbeck has shown himself as more of a player than Van Persie when he was 21.

Van Persie came from his previous club as a winger and then played as a number 10 for Arsenal, he wasn't a starter at 21 either, bit different to leading the line after playing in England all his life.

Don't think he's shown he's more talented than Van Persie was at his age but he has had a better season at 21. Before you say I've just contradicted myself, I've already mentioned the difference between one coming from a foreign country and the other who's played in England all his life and also had a successful loan spell at Sunderland, getting use to the league. Despite that, I think Van Persie showed he could be a really special player whereas Welbeck has shown that he could be very good striker.

That's my opinion anyway, looks like I'm in the minority here though. If he does turn out to be better than Van Persie then I'll be extremely happy, here's hoping you guys are right.

 

[Denis' cuff]

Big call this, but I reckon his link up play, and moving defenders out of position is already better than V Persie.

PS: Don't call me retarded. Just saying some aspects of his game are better. I'm not suggesting in any way Welbeck is an overall better player, or predicting he will be better this early in his career.

really is an excellent aspect of his play - not many weaknesses, other than experience, of course. His aerial presence could/should be improved perhaps. Several excellent crosses, particularly from Valencia went begging vs l'arse but nobody was on the end of them. Even Giggs' crosses weren't anticipated by our forwards apart from the one that Valencia put away. Pity he can't head his own crosses.

 

[Sultan]

That's my opinion anyway, looks like I'm in the minority here though. If he does turn out to be better than Van Persie then I'll be extremely happy, here's hoping you guys are right.

V Persie was always a very talented player. Injuries just kept him back. His finishing has always been sublime. We're noticing it a lot more now because he has had a good run without injuries.

 

[AttackingFlair]

I don't see why I'm getting a lot of stick here, if I've made my opinion seem like a fact rather than an opinion then I apologise but I don't think I've done that any more than someone saying 'Welbeck will be a black Van Persie'.

I've already mentioned that I believe Welbeck will be a very good striker plenty of times.

 

[Adebesi]

Apologies if this has already been posted but I couldnt see it (in this thread anyway). I thought it made interesting reading, especially in light of the Morrison situation.

Don’t Treat Welbeck Like Wes… Give Him The Deal

Don’t Treat Welbeck Like Wes… Give Him The Deal

Wes Brown was repeatedly given a hard time by Sir Alex Ferguson when it came time for contract negotiations. In October 2004 the club had offered Brown what they believed to be a reasonable deal and weren’t prepared to budge.

“We’ve made the boy an offer and he’s turned it down,” said Ferguson. “It’s his decision. He can please himself – there are no more talks planned that I’m aware of. If he wants to stay we would love that. But if he wants to look elsewhere that’s up to him – there’s nothing you can do with modern-day footballers. He has changed his agent – I don’t know why. He’s got an agent that has given him advice that I do not understand. I think the problem is with the agent, not the player.”

The following month a deal was agreed and the manager was delighted, claiming he “couldn’t bare to lose him.” Maybe both sides were prepared to give a little and the situation was resolved. However, when the next extension came to be discussed, history repeated itself. Midway through the 2007-2008 season, the club were offering him just £45,000 a week on a new deal. He wanted £55,000 a week.

To give some context, in 2003, John O’Shea was offered a contract of around £35,000. “The one thing I don’t want is for people to say I can play anywhere,” said a 22-year-old O’Shea. “It’s fine for this season because it’s done me the world of good but over time I want to stay in one position.”

Four years later and O’Shea had failed to nail down a place in the starting XI but certainly was a very useful utility player. He was rewarded with a contract worth around £50,000 a week.

Back to 07-08, Gary Neville was out for the season meaning Wes was our first choice right back and with 52 appearances, played more games for us than any other player. When you consider this was the season we won the Double (with Wes missing just two league games all season and supplying the assist for our only goal in the European Cup final) it added further weight to his argument that he should be rewarded for his importance to the team. Yet the club still tried to take the piss out of him. Why? Because they thought they could.

“Players of today live in their agents’ pockets,” Ferguson said two months before Wes eventually signed. “It’s a situation which depresses me at times, it really depresses me. Wes has been with us since he was 13, but I don’t think that matters these days. Players’ agents live their lives for them and if you are happy to go along with that, you get the situation you have got just now. But Wes knows this and the other players have told him. We wouldn’t have made the offer if we hadn’t had faith in him. It’s in his hands. It’s amazing really given that he has had such a good season and has had such a good run of games while Gary has been injured.”

So, because Wes had been with the club since he was 13, he should settle for any old salary whilst lesser players earned more. O’Shea was megging Figo when he signed his first big deal in 2003, skipping out on the lesser contracts most players his age who have come through the ranks sign, the kind of contract Wes will have signed at that age. This meant by 2007 they had to bump it up even further, despite the fact O’Shea hadn’t fulfilled that early promise and was used as a utility player.

Then think about how much money Rio Ferdinand was earning every week when he was banned for eight months through his own stupidity, only to then take months agreeing a new and improved contract when he returned. There was no criticism of him by the manager though.

The fans booed Rio during the 2005 pre-season friendlies and rather than agreeing with us, claiming that he was in his agent’s pocket, Sir Alex defended him. “I’m not entirely happy with the reaction of the fans,” he said. “Players who go on the field and hear their own fans booing them is not encouraging at all.” David Gill and Carlos Queiroz offered similar statements of support, “You have to think about your worth,” Gill said. “I respect him for that.”

The foreign players or the bigger names we bring in are afforded time and support whilst ridiculous sums of money are put in front of them and rejected. But the local lads, who are offered lower salaries, are expected to sign. The club means so much more to them yet the club seems to punish them for that.

“I’m a Manchester lad and would love to play for United for the rest of my career,” said Brown in 2001.

“I’ve been here since I was 13 and don’t want to be anywhere else,” he said in 2004.
“I’m a Manchester lad and Old Trafford is still the only place for me,” he said in 2007. “I would love to see out my career at United. I’ve no intention of going elsewhere.”
“I would do anything for the club,” he said later that year. “It is certainly hard to imagine ever playing for anyone else. Hopefully that won’t happen. I am happy here and hopefully I can stay here.”

“To be part of a team I have supported all my life is a great honour,” he said in 2008.
He didn’t start talking to clubs behind our back, he didn’t show a lack of commitment on the pitch, he just asked to be paid what he felt he deserved and was demonised by the club for it.

Some players have a “loyalty” bonus in their contract, whereby if they don’t hand in a transfer request and don’t try and leave, they will be rewarded. What about the players who want to stay regardless? What about those who have always dreamed of playing for that club, give 100% every time they’re on the pitch and would do anything to stay forever? What is their reward? Just being offered a new contract at all, it would seem, regardless of whether it’s on a parity with those of a similar status who happen not to be local.

Danny Welbeck may be the latest player to receive the Wes Brown treatment after the club and player have failed to come to an agreement on salary. Whilst the manager insisted there were no problems last week, it is clear there is some disagreement behind the scenes. This isn’t an unusual situation where new contracts are concerned, with both sides keen to get the best deal, but I would like to see a resolution with allows Welbeck to feel valued.

It’s interesting to note that as a 5-year-old, Danny was playing football on the streets of Longsight with a 16-year-old United trainee. Who else? Wes Brown. On Markfield Avenue at No 42, with a red front door, lived the Browns. On the opposite side of the street were the Welbecks.

“We didn’t encourage it at first – we thought Danny could get hurt,” said Brown. “But the concern didn’t last long, to be honest. Once Danny got started, you could see he was decent. He had the skills and he could look after himself.”

Here are two Manchester lads, who will have worn their United shirts as they played on the fields, lifting their collar like Eric Cantona or trying to take players on like they were Ryan Giggs, who had achieved their dream.

“There is no better feeling for a Manc kid than scoring for United,” Welbeck said in August 2011.

“I’ve been in Manchester all my life and I’m a Manc through and through,” he said in April 2011.

“I suppose I’m just like any other normal Manc boy, really,” he said in September 2009. “To be given the chance to play for United is a dream.”

“Scoring in front of the Stretford End is what every young boy from Manchester dreams of,” he said in November 2008 after scoring on his debut. “I loved it. I’ve thought about it every day of my life ever since I started playing football.”

So, when you get a player who talks like this about the club, instead of rewarding them for that loyalty, it seems as though United are keener to take advantage of it.
Welbeck has reportedly been offered £45,000 a week but is holding out for £60,000. Danny’s agent is his cousin and will have probably taken note of the fact Chicharito has just signed a deal reportedly worth £80,000 a week. Of course, Hernandez had a blinding first season with the club, scoring 20 goals, but the new deal was as much about keeping Real Madrid at bay as it was rewarding the player. His agent had spoken to the Spanish club and there was no way United were willing to lose this gem of a player.

However, Welbeck is ahead of Chicharito in pecking order this season, scoring 9 goals in 21 games, a strike rate of 0.43 goals per game, which rivals the 0.44 goals per game from the Mexican last season. Why should Welbeck put pen to paper on a four or five year deal which sees him earn pretty much half as much as a player he is keeping out of the team?

This is not a matter of money, rather principle. Whether it was £45 a week or £45,000 a week, Welbeck should be offered a deal which is in keeping with his position in the squad and comparable with those around him. If the club want him to prove himself over the course of a season, as Chicharito did, then fair enough, they can open negotiations again in the summer. But Welbeck would then have just 12 months remaining on his current deal and nobody wants us to be in that situation.

I’m not one to pander to the precious culture we see from footballers today but then I also do not agree with the club taking advantage of our local players either. They shouldn’t be expected to be paid considerably less just because they’re desperate to play for United, that is backward. Instead, let’s celebrate the fact we have local lads in the team and see to it that they are duly rewarded. Fingers crossed it will all be sorted out soon and that Welbeck’s Manchester United career goes as well as we all want it to.

 

[Brwned]

Van Persie came from his previous club as a winger and then played as a number 10...

Welbeck's played a number of times in behind the striker for England, United and Sunderland and spent most of his time at Sunderland out wide, so I don't see how Welbeck showed a lesser range of qualities personally. Would be surprised to see him become as good as Van Persie though.

 

[AttackingFlair]

Welbeck's player a number of times in behind the striker for England, United and Sunderland and spent most of his time at Sunderland out wide, so I don't see how Welbeck showed a lesser range of qualities personally. Would be surprised to see him become as good as Van Persie though.

It shows he's versatile yes but I don't think he's shown the same level of quality as RVP e.g. I don't see Welbeck being good enough for a top club to accommodate him as a number 10 but I think players like Rooney and RVP are.

RVP at the moment is playing like the best striker in the world, he's in the same league as top forwards like Rooney. IMO it's a bit OTT to say Welbeck will be a black Van Persie as I don't think he's shown the same level of talent as players like RVP. I don't think I've said anything too bad here.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Apologies if this has already been posted but I couldnt see it (in this thread anyway). I thought it made interesting reading, especially in light of the Morrison situation.

Don’t Treat Welbeck Like Wes… Give Him The Deal

It's kind of interesting but the whole thing is based on a completely unsubstantiated premise. How does he know that Welbeck is being offered as much less than Hernandez as he claims he is?

 

[Adebesi]

Well.... its like..... you know..... something might be happening and dammit if it is then that is just wrong!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Van Persie came from his previous club as a winger and then played as a number 10 for Arsenal, he wasn't a starter at 21 either, bit different to leading the line after playing in England all his life.

Don't think he's shown he's more talented than Van Persie was at his age but he has had a better season at 21. Before you say I've just contradicted myself, I've already mentioned the difference between one coming from a foreign country and the other who's played in England all his life and also had a successful loan spell at Sunderland, getting use to the league. Despite that, I think Van Persie showed he could be a really special player whereas Welbeck has shown that he could be very good striker.

That's my opinion anyway, looks like I'm in the minority here though. If he does turn out to be better than Van Persie then I'll be extremely happy, here's hoping you guys are right.

When Van Persie was the same age as Welbeck is now he had also played in one country/league all his life. In Holland. He was 20 when he started his first season at Arsenal, the same age as Welbeck when he started this season.

In his final season with Feyenoord he made 33 appearances, scored 6 goals and was sold for 2.5m quid. I'd be curious to know how you could have watched that player and decided with such certainty that he'd be the player he is today, 7 years later.

 

[Chrisjn]

There's no reason why Welbeck can't become better or equal to Van Persie. I also disagree with the statement Van Persie when fit was always among the world's best strikers, he has just reached his peak right now, two-three seasons ago even when he was fit, he was never among the world's best. I fail to see how some posters are uber-confident that he'll never turn as good as Van Persie.

Personally for some strange reason Danny has been always under-rated on the Caf, when he was breaking through their were still doubts over him despite his unquestionable talent. Even after the start of this season their were doubts over him when he didn't perform well against WBA in the opening match.

He's just 21 and is already a starter in our team and has already scored at Emirates and Etihad this season, whilst also assisting Hernandez's goal at Anfield.
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FWIW When Van Persie was of Danny's age, he scored 10 goals in 41 appearances for Arsenal in his debut season. Danny already has 9 in 26.

I think he was. When fit he's been up there...

 

[AttackingFlair]

When Van Persie was the same age as Welbeck is now he had also played in one country/league all his life. In Holland. He was 20 when he started his first season at Arsenal, the same age as Welbeck when he started this season.

In his final season with Feyenoord he made 33 appearances, scored 6 goals and was sold for 2.5m quid. I'd be curious to know how you could have watched that player and decided with such certainty that he'd be the player he is today, 7 years later.

I was basing it off his first season at Arsenal where he was 21, unless I'm wrong.

 

[Sultan]

Welbeck is already holding a place down at one of the worlds premier teams. Ahead of players of Berbatov and Hernandez' class. He is already a class act. I'm not sure there is any point in comparing V Persie with Welbeck now or in the future. I'm just happy he's at United and the level of his performances at present.

"Future? Only God knows."

Ronaldo

 

[sajeev]

I think he was. When fit he's been up there...

RVP has always been talented. I thought in 2007 that he would be more crucial to Arsenal than Fabregas, but I was wrong with injuries preventing him from making a consistent impact. However, I was just looking at the stats from wiki.

I think one can make a case for him really coming into his own from the 2008-09 season.


Here they are.


Season Appearances Goals Assists
2004–05 41 10 1
2005–06 38 11 1
2006–07 31 13 8
2007–08 23 9 5
2008–09 44 20 15
2009–10 20 10 8
2010–11 33 22 7
2011–12 28 23 6

 

[Brwned]

It shows he's versatile yes but I don't think he's shown the same level of quality as RVP e.g. I don't see Welbeck being good enough for a top club to accommodate him as a number 10 but I think players like Rooney and RVP are.

RVP at the moment is playing like the best striker in the world, he's in the same league as top forwards like Rooney. IMO it's a bit OTT to say Welbeck will be a black Van Persie as I don't think he's shown the same level of talent as players like RVP. I don't think I've said anything too bad here.

Having the opinion that Welbeck won't become as good as Van Persie and that at the same age Van Persie looked like more of a special talent aren't controversial things at all...I think it was more the way you dismissed the opposite opinion that sparked things. 'Only on the caf'.

 

[AttackingFlair]

Having the opinion that Welbeck won't become as good as Van Persie and that at the same age Van Persie looked like more of a special talent aren't controversial things at all...I think it was more the way you dismissed the opposite opinion that sparked things. 'Only on the caf'.

I said that because I apparently may have 'underrated' Welbeck. That's barely possible when I said he's a good young player who's likely to become a very good striker. It implied that if I don't think he's going to be as good as Van Persie then I'm underrating him which was pretty annoying.

 

[Brwned]

You tell him he's overrating him, he tells you maybe you're underrating him...that seems fair to me. Unless you somehow think your opinion's more valid so doesn't deserve to be challenged in the same way.

 

[finneh]

It's kind of interesting but the whole thing is based on a completely unsubstantiated premise. How does he know that Welbeck is being offered as much less than Hernandez as he claims he is?

Agreed. In truth no-one knows if Hernandez' he wages are anywhere near £80k a week, I've read figures ranging from £20k a week to £90k a week, I suspect it is somewhere in the middle.

Also bear in mind that Hernandez is 3 years older than Welbeck, which means that he probably has one less contract during his career than Welbeck. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time Welbeck is Hernandez' age he will have signed another contract on a 6 figure salary. Just because he has done a similar amount for the team doesn't necessarily mean he warrants the same wage. He is ahead of Berbatov at the moment, but to suggest he should be paid c.£120k would be absurd.

Also re: O'Shea/Brown, they were paid far more handsomely at United than they would have been at any other English club (bar probably City/Chelsea), given their role in the squad.

 

[Sultan]

Brown has been pretty injury prone throughout his career. I would imagine his injury record was a factor when deciding the amount and type of contract offered.

 

[Sultan]

Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Giggs have never complained about contracts, and I'm sure been well compensated despite being local, and fans.

 

[Adebesi]

Brown has been pretty injury prone throughout his career. I would imagine his injury record was a factor when deciding the amount and type of contract offered.

Do you think that is reflected consistently across all the sicknotes? Hargreaves. Anderson is out quite a lot, isnt he?

I know Owen is on a fairly unique contract that suits someone who is injury prone. Rio has only been injury prone in recent years, but was quite reliable when he earned his big contracts.

Still seems pretty unfair to me RE Wes. For someone he never failed to describe as the best natural defender in England.

 

[ronnie dazzler]

Time will tell of course but you can make a judgement after seeing a player for a certain amount of games. You could tell RVP was a really special talent even as a youngster, he obviously had to adapt to a foreign country though and he suffered a lot of injuries. No surprise his form this season injury free.

I agree that RVP has always had the talent, but to say he was a very special talent is a bit much. He was bought for £2.5m at a time when Rooney was bought for nearly £30m, Ronaldo £12.5m.

Arsenal saw potential they could develop, but it clearly wasn't definite that he'd become the player he became. Otherwise every club would have wanted him!! So, I think there's every reason to feel that Welbeck can become even better as aplayer. Whether he becomes as good as RVP, who knows, but I'd be happy even if he only stayed at his current level. so exciting times ahead

 

[Amir]

Do you think that is reflected consistently across all the sicknotes? Hargreaves. Anderson is out quite a lot, isnt he?

I know Owen is on a fairly unique contract that suits someone who is injury prone. Rio has only been injury prone in recent years, but was quite reliable when he earned his big contracts.

Still seems pretty unfair to me RE Wes. For someone he never failed to describe as the best natural defender in England.

It would obviously not have anything to do with Hargreaves, who only ever signed one contract with us. I actually think a player's tendency to get injured wouldn't have a direct effect on his contract, which will be determined by the player's statusu in the squad. Obviously if he's injured regularly, he'd be less likely to be considered a top player and his wages will be accordingly.

If anything, Brown's injuries would have meant he earned less because between them, he was a regular starter only in periods.

 

[AttackingFlair]

I agree that RVP has always had the talent, but to say he was a very special talent is a bit much. He was bought for £2.5m at a time when Rooney was bought for nearly £30m, Ronaldo £12.5m.

Arsenal saw potential they could develop, but it clearly wasn't definite that he'd become the player he became. Otherwise every club would have wanted him!! So, I think there's every reason to feel that Welbeck can become even better as aplayer. Whether he becomes as good as RVP, who knows, but I'd be happy even if he only stayed at his current level. so exciting times ahead

There's no guarantee any young player will make it but you can make a judgement on their talent. I think the fee reflects more on his behaviour at his previous club rather than talent.

 

[Feed Me]

He's a good player alright, but his composure when he has time to think leaves a little to be desired.

I think he's a good instinctive striker.

 

[marjen]

He's a good player alright, but his composure when he has time to think leaves a little to be desired.

I think he's a good instinctive striker.

His composure will develop in time.

The fact his all-round game is so good, despite striker being his position, that he's keeping Hernandez and Berbatov out of the team speaks volumes.

 

[ronnie dazzler]

There's no guarantee any young player will make it but you can make a judgement on their talent. I think the fee reflects more on his behaviour at his previous club rather than talent.

maybe, but sometimes you see the potential quality and take a punt on it. For us, take Manucho, Obertan, Macheda, Morrison, Pogba etc. We saw / see something and we hope to develop on it.

It could work and they end up brilliant or they domn't quite develop on in the way we'd like, like Obertan, Manucho. Hopefully, Morrison, Pogba and Macheda will. Each have talent, each have potential - they could be excellent or they could be footnotes never to be mentioned again in a few years.