Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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The guy (a local product of the youth system nonetheless) scores what is arguably the most important goal of the season so far... a winner away at the Arse which keeps us within striking distance of the bitters... and puts in a solid shift, overshadowing his more highly rated strike partner, again... and people on here have nothing better to do than to cut him down? sure he should have iced the game late on... but lets no forget that he got the bloody winning goal.

Haters gotta hate, i suppose.
 
Colin129 said:
This is true, however this is a situation where his age is important.

I've seen loads of posts defending e.g. Macheda with he's still only 19 and I'm loath to do it myself, but he's still only 21!

The difference is he's scoring a fair few goals and finding himself in good scoring positions but not always converting. This may come down to decision making & confidence which will improve with age. I'm sure he will get hatfulls & is the real deal.

Having said that, Rooney misses a fair few too so this point may not be valid.
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True, but the fact that he finds himself in the positions he does is something I find really encouraging. Stuff like his run to outpace Metersacker (sp??), and his run off of one of the Bolton CBs when put in by Carrick. That's something that Hernandez is so good at (maybe better) but Welbeck also has more to his game that I think Hernandez lacks. He had a fantastic first year, but I think some of his deficiencies were really highlighted in the CL finals. Its harsh on him because he was so isolated and got so little service because of the poor game of the wing men, and I'm not saying Welbeck would have done any better, but I think the game really highlighted what he lacks in his game and what he needs to work on.

Either way, we've got two fantastic young strikers, and hopefully they can find a way to improve and development simultaneously at the club.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Eh, what is there not to be convinced about? :confused:
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He's in his first full season in the first team. He seems easily injured. Hernandez is the better finisher.

Like I said, I'd love to be convinced. I'll wait till next season.

Pogue Mahone said:
Well the midfield would be the one we have at United and yes, Rooney would be playing alongside.
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They're different players. Horses for courses.
 
spinoza said:
He's in his first full season in the first team. He seems easily injured. Hernandez is the better finisher.

Like I said, I'd love to be convinced. I'll wait till next season.
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So your main reason for doubting Welbeck seems to be the fact that he's "easily injured", in his first full season when he's been injured considerably less often than Hernandez. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?
 
Very interesting to hear Souness and Neville raving about Welbeck's work off the ball - not just his attacking movement, but his desire to help win the ball back. Him and Cleverley seem like they're cut from similar cloth in terms of temperament.
 
spinoza said:
He's in his first full season in the first team. He seems easily injured. Hernandez is the better finisher.

Like I said, I'd love to be convinced. I'll wait till next season.



They're different players. Horses for courses.
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It's clear SAF prefers Welbeck with Rooney it's not really about horses for courses.Great horses win on any course on any ground in any case.

As for injuries we're talking about a young player who's not yet physically matured.When he does we'll see an even better player
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So your main reason for doubting Welbeck seems to be the fact that he's "easily injured", in his first full season when he's been injured considerably less often than Hernandez. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?
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He gets injured stretching for the ball, or pulls his hamstrings when he sprints. Maybe he's still growing, I don't know. Where does Hernandez come in anyway?
 
spinoza said:
He gets injured stretching for the ball, or pulls his hamstrings when he sprints. Maybe he's still growing, I don't know. Where does Hernandez come in anyway?
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Probably right about when you mentioned him.

spinoza said:
He's in his first full season in the first team. He seems easily injured. Hernandez is the better finisher.

Like I said, I'd love to be convinced. I'll wait till next season.
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As for him getting injured stretching for the ball or sprinting, that doesn't really fit with a player who - unlike almost everyone else in the squad - has only been out injured once all season.
 
I didn't think he was that great yesterday to be fair. Far too wasteful...but on the other hand, he was the one player always finding space in behind and offering the outlet, and we'd have probably spent the entire second half camped on the edge of our own area doing feck all if it wasn't for that. He was one or two better finishes away from being outstanding and MOTM. That's how it goes being a striker.

Also he's been fecking brilliant this season near enough every time he's played. Including against some very good defenders and defensive units. If he gets a bit more powerful without losing his skill/pace, you'll all be crying doom whenever he misses a game in a few years.
 
I'm sure he wasn't perfect, but scoring the winner in a huge away game should garner all the plaudits. A goal in a big game is worth 5 against the also-rans, whenever a player starts scoring goals the criticism is always that he doesn't score in the big games.

I'm not sure what he'd have to do to please some people.
 
Havent read the other pages, but for me Welbeck did well and continued to be an important player for us and deliver in the one way thats really going to decide how good or great a player he can be. Putting the ball in the net. Because he is already and has been for a while now, good enough in every other area to be a top forward.
 
Brilliant talent he is and the complete package as well. In a few years he'll be world class and an even more lethal finisher.

His workrate is seriously underrated
 
Hernandez is on 80k after his first season.

I don't think 60k for Danny is out of the question.

His agent would be an idiot if he didn't try to open talks around that number.
 
Loving dw more than any united striker since sparky and the king. Keep it up lad.
 
Looks very much as though Smalling, Jones, Cleverley and Welbeck will the spine of the team for a decade.
 
I fecking love Danny Welbeck and I have since he was in the reserves. I don't get any criticism aimed towards him, his rise has been very good and steady and he's never had any sort of blip that was not attributed to just being young and learnin. Fantastic player.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It's clear SAF prefers Welbeck with Rooney it's not really about horses for courses.Great horses win on any course on any ground in any case.
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What Fergie wants are options, not preferences as shown by inconsistent starting line-ups and the match-ups.

Welbeck will be a black Van Persie; Chicha is a cross between a young MO and a OGS (aka MOOGS.) Berba is a rich man's Teddy.

If he needs to change a game depending on the situation, he will use anyone of them.
 
He needs to work on his balance. Goes to the ground to often after shots. It is a very bad habit for strikers, you will miss great chances of rebounds plus you can't direct the shot well if you are losing your balance in the act of shooting.
 
sglowrider said:
What Fergie wants are options, not preferences as shown by inconsistent starting line-ups and the match-ups.

Welbeck will be a black Van Persie; Chicha is a cross between a young MO and a OGS (aka MOOGS.) Berba is a rich man's Teddy.

If he needs to change a game depending on the situation, he will use anyone of them.
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Way over the top
 
AttackingFlair said:
Way over the top
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Don't see why Wellbeck couldn't become world class in the next 5 years. He's 20 right now and has the ability and technique to become a top no.9.

To see him start for Manchester United football club at the age of 20 is really something guys. Lets not forget that.
 
Art said:
Don't see why Wellbeck couldn't become world class in the next 5 years. He's 20 right now and has the ability and technique to become a top no.9.

To see him start for Manchester United football club at the age of 20 is really something guys. Lets not forget that.
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He could be a very good striker but he's not as talented as players like RVP or Rooney who are more than just great strikers and have an overall game that few strikers (even great ones) possess. Both are comfortable and good enough to play behind the striker for top clubs, RVP and Rooney have also shown they can score a shed load of goals playing as the number 9 also.

That said, he'll most likely be a very good striker but let's not compare him to players like RVP who have an overall game that few strikers have or are expected to have. He's a good player, potentially very good but you're better off comparing him to number 9s like Saha rather than all rounders who also happen to be superb number 9s like RVP.
 
AttackingFlair said:
He could be a very good striker but he's not as talented as players like RVP or Rooney who are more than just great strikers and have an overall game that few strikers (even great ones) possess. Both are comfortable and good enough to play behind the striker for top clubs, RVP and Rooney have also shown they can score a shed load of goals playing as the number 9 also.

That said, he'll most likely be a very good striker but let's not compare him to players like RVP who have an overall game that few strikers have or are expected to have. He's a good player, potentially very good but you're better off comparing him to number 9s like Saha rather than all rounders who also happen to be superb number 9s like RVP.
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I think you haven't got Welbeck's game right. He plays better as a second striker and is pretty versatile. Van Persie is currently 28 years old and at his peak, he moved to Arsenal when he was 21 (currently Welbeck's age). The fact that he has got the physique to be a line-leader doesn't mean he isn't more than that. I think most people who have seen him for a while will agree that he is has almost everything in place to be a complete forward.
 
sajeev said:
I think you haven't got Welbeck's game right. He plays better as a second striker and is pretty versatile. Van Persie is currently 28 years old and at his peak, he moved to Arsenal when he was 21 (currently Welbeck's age). The fact that he has got the physique to be a line-leader doesn't mean he isn't more than that. I think most people who have seen him for a while will agree that he is has almost everything in place to be a complete forward.
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I'm not saying he's limited, someone like Saha who I made a comparison to isn't limited but the all round game that players like RVP and Rooney have is far superior to the likes of Welbeck.

He's a good talent and will most likely be a very good striker but let's not compare him to players like RVP who are special and have attributes that even top strikers don't have. Let's just appreciate we have a good young player rather than over hyping him.
 
AttackingFlair said:
I'm not saying he's limited, someone like Saha who I made a comparison to isn't limited but the all round game that players like RVP and Rooney have is far superior to the likes of Welbeck.

He's a good talent and will most likely be a very good striker but let's not compare him to players like RVP who are special and have attributes that even top strikers don't have. Let's just appreciate we have a good young player rather than over hyping him.
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you might say overhyping, others might say you are under-rating, only time will tell. i think you will be pleasantly surprised :D
 
His all round game is every bit as good if not better than most strikers. It's evident ever since he broke through a few years back. Not sure why people are reluctant to admit that. His all round game is what make him so good. He's involved in the attacking moves and can both be the provider and goal scorer. See Ando's goal against Spurs
I think.
 
If you're referring to me then I didn't mean he doesn't have the all round game to be a very good number 9, which I've already said he will most likely be a very good striker. I'm just pointing out though that he shouldn't be compared to someone like RVP who is not only complete in the sense of a number 9 but also has the attributes of a number 10 which Welbeck doesn't have.

Apparently I'm underrating him though despite saying he will be a very good striker just not as good as players like Rooney or RVP... only on the caf *sigh*
 
AttackingFlair said:
Apparently I'm underrating him though despite saying he will be a very good striker just not as good as players like Rooney or RVP... only on the caf *sigh*
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you remember how RVP was as a 21-year-old? You can't necessarily say that he can't be as good as him right now. Only time will tell for sure. your opinion is perfectly valid, just as someone who thinks he will be the black Van Persie
 
sajeev said:
you remember how RVP was as a 21-year-old? You can't necessarily say that he can't be as good as him right now. Only time will tell for sure. your opinion is perfectly valid, just as someone who thinks he will be the black Van Persie
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Time will tell of course but you can make a judgement after seeing a player for a certain amount of games. You could tell RVP was a really special talent even as a youngster, he obviously had to adapt to a foreign country though and he suffered a lot of injuries. No surprise his form this season injury free.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Time will tell of course but you can make a judgement after seeing a player for a certain amount of games. You could tell RVP was a really special talent even as a youngster, he obviously had to adapt to a foreign country though and he suffered a lot of injuries. No surprise his form this season injury free.
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ok. in that case you are entitled to your opinion. i think injuries permitting welbeck will be better than RVP
 
sajeev said:
ok. in that case you are entitled to your opinion. i think injuries permitting welbeck will be better than RVP
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a very bold statement to say the least. RVP, when fit, has always been among the best in the world. His injury free year has just proved what most of us have known for a while.

Welbeck has fantastic talent, but lets not say he's definitely going to be better than RVP, its a long way to go.
 
Donut said:
I'm getting more confident each game that Evans will be as well.
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Agreed. Is a much better CB than Jones atm. If he maintains his levels, i can see jones being used more at CM/RB than at CB in the near future.
 
The Sun reporting that he'll sign a new 5yr contract in the next week or so.
 
So after a great season so far people still are looking for critisism and negative assumptions?
 
Escobar said:
So after a great season so far people still are looking for critisism and negative assumptions?
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No, people for some reason think he'll be better than Van Persie. I'm a fan of Welbeck but some of the posters on here are way OTT and then when someone points that out, the typical reaction is 'why are people being so negative' when it's the over hyping that causes it in the first place. Everyone is happy to accept that he's played very well and is a good youngster, potentially very good striker.
 
AttackingFlair said:
No, people for some reason think he'll be better than Van Persie. I'm a fan of Welbeck but some of the posters on here are way OTT and then when someone points that out, the typical reaction is 'why are people being so negative' when it's the over hyping that causes it in the first place. Everyone is happy to accept that he's played very well and is a good youngster, potentially very good striker.
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No one knows how good he's going to be - but the potential is surely there. Just daft to say that injuries will prevent him etc. He's been one of our better performers in his first real season, thats pretty good in my book
 
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