I've got no interest in doing so, as he isn't. But the racism claim is ludicrous.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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I've got no interest in doing so, as he isn't. But the racism claim is ludicrous.
The term you were looking for if it applies to this situation(it doesn't) is stereotyping, as in one person seeing two different players of similar ethnicity and lumping them together in terms of style of play without really looking and judging each player correctly in terms of the way that they actually play.
Again I don't think the accusation applies to this situation anyway, its more a case of opposition fans seeing a hell of a lot less of Danny than we do and even then - as some on this forum do with players from other clubs - fans have a tendency to focus on the rare mistakes and try to see them as flaws within that players game rather than making a judgement based on watching quite a few games from that player. Finishing to one side Danny does have some extremely rare clumsy moments (mostly due to lack of playing time and not being able to build up game rhythm which is quite important to the way that he plays), but that really isn't something that is part of his game as he has excellent technical ability and one of the best first touches you will see on a player.
Its down to standard opposition fan laziness which a lot of United supporters on this forum are also guilty of.
Again I don't think the accusation applies to this situation anyway, its more a case of opposition fans seeing a hell of a lot less of Danny than we do and even then - as some on this forum do with players from other clubs - fans have a tendency to focus on the rare mistakes and try to see them as flaws within that players game rather than making a judgement based on watching quite a few games from that player. Finishing to one side Danny does have some extremely rare clumsy moments (mostly due to lack of playing time and not being able to build up game rhythm which is quite important to the way that he plays), but that really isn't something that is part of his game as he has excellent technical ability and one of the best first touches you will see on a player.
Its down to standard opposition fan laziness which a lot of United supporters on this forum are also guilty of.
Can't you see the tension between no-one here believing when they sit and think about it that he is a clumsy player, and his being described as a clumsy player 200 times in this thread?
I attributed that to racism, I may be right or wrong, and even if I am wrong in this case I think it is something that happens with reporting of the game in general. However I do think that there is a serious tension to answer in this case.
I do yes, as he used to be, it's the main reason. Being gangly doesn't help him though.
He is called clumsy because of the amount of times he mucks up his lines in the box. Nothing to do with his skin colour. I can't believe you are saying this, I saw the initial post when you first wrote it and didn't reply because I didn't want it to become a debate on race and discrimination.
But he is a clumsy player in the box. Outside the box he is not, he shows great touch, skill and dribbling at speed. When he gets in the box and has to make a decisson he almost always messes it up and fluffs his lines.
Am I missing something, is this a known stereotype?
The known stereotype is a attribute black players (especially Africans, doesn't seem to apply with Brazilians) with physical attributes and white players with technical and mental attributes.
It's because he has long, gangly legs - he always looks like he's a moment away from tangling them up and tripping over himself.
It's the same with Peter Crouch, it took years for people to say "he has a good touch **long pause to await the inevitable** for a big man".
It's the same with Peter Crouch, it took years for people to say "he has a good touch **long pause to await the inevitable** for a big man".
Meh, as discussed before for me gangly does not equal clumsy, but I accept if others think that and I've already said that. For what its worth I think Crouch is a good example of a clumsy player, doesn't have a good touch and elbows everywhere while jumping with others etc.
But Wlebeck is British - I think you're confusing stereotypes based on race with those based on nationality. We've long since been fed:
Brazilian = Attacking flare, no interest in defence
Italian = Hhigh tecnhical skill, but focus on defending
German = Low flare, technical and highly efficient
British = Low skill, blood and guts determination
Scandinavian = Strong and powerful
African = Athletic but raw / low-skilled
etc and so on.
I think that black British players have been initially stereotyped in the same way as African players, but yes, this is what I'm getting at.
I don't know how many times I've heard 'he's not the typical Brazilian midfielder' when we've now had loads of them. Silva, Lucas, Ramires, Fernandinho, Paulinho etc.
It's because he has long legs and arms and thus looks a bit dangly when he runs with the ball and receives the ball. Most people agree on him having a very good technique and touch but that it can look erratic.
You think racism has something to do with it? Well, Crouch also has the exact same issue; his touch and technique may look awkward but are actually very good. Only that it applies 3x more for Crouch than for Welbeck. So unless Crouch has done a serious Michael Jackson, you are completely in the wrong.
And that is NOT the bandwagon, mate. Funny though.
Oh god what's been happening in hereIf you put in beautiful with that bolded part, the rest of you can just f*** off
(If we are talking football, you should say strong and powerful, but utterly, utterly shite if you are from Norway)
Seriously, this discussion is quite funny
Its not, its a complete myth. If it was he would be in the Stoke starting line up, rather than failing at every club he has been at apart from Southampton.
It's because he can't shoot, he slow a feck, can't dribble, isn't really a good header, is terrible at passing etc etc. His technique is still pretty decent, especially for a tall guy - if he was Dutch, I'd be a racist now, right?
Your argument is awful - just awful. People say Pele was the world's best footballer - is that racist? When it comes to football and most sports, most people agree, on a stereotypical basis, that people of African descent (since we must be proper) are faster and are better at jumping. However, I have yet to see that people make an assumption that they have poor technique. Drogba had/has terrific technique. Henry was terrific at everything he did.
This always amuses me - historically, only Spain has allowed fewer goals per game than Brasil while England has scored more goals per game than Brasil.
Welbeck has questioned Moyes' call for extra training, allegedly. Something's not right still with Moyes and the players.
Well. That extra training is fruiting so far. The team play is getting much much better.
Should doubled that extra training, if I were Moyes.
Should doubled that extra training, if I were Moyes.
If you read the article and comments from Danny and Moyes, they seem a bit odd. Danny's not questioning the need for extra training. If you listen to Welbeck, he is saying he has ALWAYS done the extra training Rooney does practising finishing, etc. He puts Moyes comments down to him being injured and not being at United that long.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/20/manchester-united-danny-welbeck-extra-training
Care to share the article?
Thanks, Ole's
I know the caf loves to defend Welbeck but ppl are now using the race card to counter arguments
I don't really think there's much to that article but i would prefer if the players actually used their common sense and supported Moyes in the media more.
I don't really think there's much to that article but i would prefer if the players actually used their common sense and supported Moyes in the media more.
Moyes does need to become more savvy with this press thing. Indirectly saying on the press that Welbeck isn't training as hard as he should, is just not on. He might be telling the truth, but what's to gain and lose then, feeding those 'animals'?
I remember that picture, he 's running away try to avoid reporters, instead of just telling them to feck off. Seems like he's afraid of them, and feel the pressure of feeding them with something they want.
But performance on the field is all that matters right now.
I remember that picture, he 's running away try to avoid reporters, instead of just telling them to feck off. Seems like he's afraid of them, and feel the pressure of feeding them with something they want.
But performance on the field is all that matters right now.
Wow another much to do about nothing.
You're just saying that because he's black.
One goal and one assist for Danny today.
That's what happens when you give him a run of games in his favored position. Anyone taken by surprise haven't been paying attention.
Maybe what's been said is why we're seeing him play this well.
Zup zup.
If only I had a place to Zup...
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Danny up front > Danny on the left.
Who knew playing people in their proper positions would mean they play better eh?
Who knew playing people in their proper positions would mean they play better eh?
Top lad. Finally taking his chances and obviously playing in his preferred position
Those flicks
A lot of people said at the time that RvP coming him could be harmful to Welbeck's development, and we're seeing that now, glad he's getting games where he should be, immense first half.
Not the world's greatest finish but if you hit the target you always have a chance. Too often before I think he looked for the perfect finish and ended up skying it, blasting it wide, or completely screwing it up.
Doesn't mean it wasn't for the best to get him more experience of playing outside of the box though.
I thought at the time, and still think, that getting him out of his comfort zone was important for his development.
Dont know why the commentator thought it was a routine save, if you hit them hard and low, you always have a chance.
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