Technical flaws are the least of his problems. Jesus wept. You've had an absolute nightmare again here.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Technical flaws are the least of his problems. Jesus wept. You've had an absolute nightmare again here.
feck me, you're normally a good poster but that's just mad. He's got superb technique. His dribbling, ball control and retention under pressure and ability to beat a man are brilliant. All he lacks is composure in the box, which is why we see these weird stumbles or poor finishes once he has to produce the final product.
It is bad in comparison with others I listed.
Can anyone with a straight face tell me Welbeck's technique as a player, let alone for his position is as good as Kagawa's, Hernandez, Scholes, Giggs,Beckham, Neville, Rooney, Rafael etc at the age of 23 when they were at the club at that age
If people think these comparisons are unfair I disagree. These are the standards we set. Welbeck is a perfectly fine Premier League player but in comparison to others at his age who have excelled at the club his technical ability is nowhere near good enough. Nowhere near it. Same age Kagawa was when he joined. Look at where the class of 92 each were aged 23. Look at where Rafael is aged 23. I don't think it's particularly being unfair to say in comparison with the top players who were here as young players and 'made it' to have long successful careers at the club, Welbeck isn't even in the same league for the same age.
To be honest I don't think that's even a slightly contentious point to make.
Can anyone with a straight face tell me Welbeck's technique as a player, let alone for his position is as good as Kagawa's, Hernandez, Scholes, Giggs,Beckham, Neville, Rooney, Rafael etc at the age of 23 when they were at the club at that age
If people think these comparisons are unfair I disagree. These are the standards we set. Welbeck is a perfectly fine Premier League player but in comparison to others at his age who have excelled at the club his technical ability is nowhere near good enough. Nowhere near it. Same age Kagawa was when he joined. Look at where the class of 92 each were aged 23. Look at where Rafael is aged 23. I don't think it's particularly being unfair to say in comparison with the top players who were here as young players and 'made it' to have long successful careers at the club, Welbeck isn't even in the same league for the same age.
To be honest I don't think that's even a slightly contentious point to make.
Couldn't agree more
Sorry but nothing about Welbeck gives anyone the impression he could be 'top class', take off the specs
Hes certainly not a goal scorer, but has some use in the build up play, hes a decent squad player, but a club like United will have, and should have far better players.
Can see him joining another club within the next year, or maybe going on loan again( although hes getting a bit old for that). Think he would be good at Everton.
That first paragraph is a joke, of course he could be a top class player. He displaced Hernandez the season before last and was brilliant leading the line - the only thing he lacks is consistency in front of goal. He has pace, strength, and excellent technique, I have no doubt that he could play for United.
Last season was a massive backstep for Welbeck but we all knew that was going to happen when Van Persie and Kagawa signed. He went from being first choice at the end of 11/12 to fourth or fifth choice at the beginning of 12/13 which was always going to make it a difficult season.
Yes. Straight face. Not as good as Kagawa's and don't remember the class of '92.
He's not world class, but he's stIs he a goal scorer? No, but he offers us a great deal for me. He's a local lad who has come through the system, and you can see that when he plays. He runs his blood to water every time he pulls on a United shirt, and as people have said, his link up play is superb. He's intelligent, he's got great movement, and he's versatile. You need players like that - no matter who you are.
With the contributions put in by the likes of Van Persie and Hernandez at times last season it was always going to be difficult for him in that respect, but he's more than worth his place in the squad for me.
I don't see Welbecks technique as an issue at all, I'd say he's got a really good technique his problem is indecisiveness and a lack of a clinical finish. One of the standout parts of his game is how he can retain the ball well in tight areas outside the box, thats's why his sub at the last EC for England was annoying, it made a big difference having him there, able to keep hold of the ball, not just through his strength but through his technique, as others have said that's a big reason why he was probably our best player over both legs of the real games. When he gets in to the box he just doesn't have a clear picture of what he wants to do, but doesn't seem to be a problem of not being able to do it.
To be fair, this is a very big thing. It's almost as saying that a midfielder is good but his passing is a bit meh.
Danny needs to improve very much his goalscoring ability in order to be a success here. I think that it can go in both ways with about same chances.
Did you watch the Madrid games? He was the best player on the pitch in the first, and the best for United in the second.
This is the long and short of it. To disparage his technical ability and link-up play is very silly, but he has serious, serious problems with goalscoring (and composure when it comes to the final ball) which he needs to solve sharpish.
did you miss the games against Real then? He was top class in those games.
if you are talking about his goals return being around 1 in 3-4 when he plays as a second striker or upfront, I was watching the United reserves play earlier today and a certain Chelsea striker who couldn't score goals but was still good enough to warrant a move to Barcelona was playing. Remember Eidur Gudjohnsen? couldn't score, but was still a top player making worthwhile contributions at top teams.
Good post. He is a very good squad player and I am more then happy to have him as such. Some seem to think he will one day be scoring 20 odd a season, I don't see that myself. His return of 2 goals last season was pathetic and he really needs to work on his finishing. I think he is suffering with confidence issues in front of goal and maybe he needs to be more selfish when he gets into a good scoring position. He is technically quite good and he offers a-lot more than just goals in his all-round play.
Of course, it definitely needs to improve.
I think last season is distorting the view a bit though, he barely played as the striker and spent most of the season out on the wing. When he played up top the season before he was alright in front of goal, a 1 in 3 player which isn't a disaster for a young lad still developing.
He also brought out the best in Rooney when playing up top, compared with Hernandez his link up was on another level.
A friend of mine said he is the new Andy Cole...
For me Coley was a phenomenal finisher, his outside wasn't the best but he was no doubt one of the best finsher's in the PL at the time.
For me Coley was a phenomenal finisher, his outside wasn't the best but he was no doubt one of the best finsher's in the PL at the time.
Did you watch him whatsoever last season?
Apart from the Madrid game, he was woeful in front of goal, and sporadically good as a support/build up player and he wasn't brilliant the season before either, he was better, but not brilliant, unless you have a very low definition of brilliant.
Come on, I will give people the notion that Nani was excellent for a few seasons, 'll give them the notion that Carrick was excellent last season, but I will not stand idly by and see such delusion as saying that Welbeck is 'top class'.
I don't think he will make that step up and be a regular United player in the long term, and you can quote this if i'm wrong, but I think he will be at a pivotal point in his career soon, he is good enough to build his play up at a upper PL team, and I think he will need that starting berth soon.
Regardless, he played 39 games in attacking positions (be it as a winger or as a striker) and came with a pathetic product of only 2 goals. While his link up play is excellent and his technique is very good, his goal scoring ability is embarrassing and I am sure we would have laughed at him if he was playing for one of our rivals.
He's a young player and so there is always hope that he'll improve that aspect of the game (especially if we get rid of Rooney, in which case he'll have more opportunities playing upfront) but seriously some people are belittling the goals for a striker. It is it's most important part of the game (and a very important for an attacking player who is not a striker). If he doesn't improve it by very much (not only a little bit) there is only a way for him. If he continues playing as a winger/attacking midfielder I think that 20 goals in next two seasons combined is the minimum we should expecting for a player who plays around 40 games a season and assists are not one of his assets.
Suppose a Chelsea fan wouldn't know how to judge non-£30m+ youngsters on their potential.
Not you, but Fergie and the England manager? Yes. They certainly have the impression that he will be top class.
Rousing rhetoric. Storm the Bastille or throw yourself in front of the King's horse or something.
You fecking embarassment, of course I watched him you muppet.You obviously didn't though, which I'm not surprised at considering you are a Chelsea fan - but you shouldn't talk bollocks about something you clearly have no clue about.
Last season was massively disappointing, we already know that and I said the same above in my post. That was always going to happen with Kagawa/Van Persie coming in with Welbeck being shifted out to the left wing. He was excellent the season before though, and became first choice on merit whilst linking up well with Rooney.
I've watched him since he was about 15, and he can very possibly go on to be a top class player.
Anyone can sit and say this guy or that guy has potential. A lot of young players have potential, but its blinkered to claim Welbeck is already top class.
As Revan said you fall into this trap of judging him only on his build up play, whereas some of the judgement should also be on his goal return since he is not a defender and is not a midfielder, he is an attacker.
2 goals in 39 games has to be observed, and I know its a friendly but the other night against the all stars epitomized him completely in front of goal.
As Revan said you fall into this trap of judging him only on his build up play, whereas some of the judgement should also be on his goal return since he is not a defender and is not a midfielder, he is an attacker.
2 goals in 39 games has to be observed, and I know its a friendly but the other night against the all stars epitomized him completely in front of goal.
Ok? So can Lukaku, so can De Bruyne, so can Cleverley, so can Oxlaide, doesnt mean they have shown enough yet to prove they are top class does it.
He's so versatile he'll regularly command a "starting berth" at this club. He already is.
Will be become an out and out, irreplaceable number 9 a la Drogba, Torres, RVP? Possibly not. But who said that was a negative?
I can't believe somebody said we couldn't say with a straight face, that Welbeck isn't as gifted technically as Hernandez. Bloody hell.
Will be become an out and out, irreplaceable number 9 a la Drogba, Torres, RVP? Possibly not. But who said that was a negative?
I can't believe somebody said we couldn't say with a straight face, that Welbeck isn't as gifted technically as Hernandez. Bloody hell.
Nobody said that he was already top class - people have just said that he could become top class.
He already should be a top class player. Maybe not the finished article but he's turning 23 not 18. I won't go through the list of names again but they were/are all top class players by the age of 23. Even this admission he 'could very possibly' become a top class player is virtually an acceptance that his development is well behind where other players of his age have been.
Nobody says about Rafael he 'could very possibly go on to become a top class player' - and for obvious reasons.
Nobody says about Rafael he 'could very possibly go on to become a top class player' - and for obvious reasons.
You obviously didn't though, which I'm not surprised at considering you are a Chelsea fan - but you shouldn't talk bollocks about something you clearly have no clue about.
Last season was massively disappointing, we already know that and I said the same above in my post. That was always going to happen with Kagawa/Van Persie coming in with Welbeck being shifted out to the left wing. He was excellent the season before though, and became first choice on merit whilst linking up well with Rooney.
Ok so if last season was massively disappointing and his goal threat was woeful, with the other day doing more than he could to continue that impression, Kagawa and RVP still at the club, what gives you the impression it will be anything different? Plenty of players have decent seasons without being top class, christ, whats with all the over the top defence, the matchday thread the other day was slating him to hell and back, and that was a friendly!
Build up play is not that great either, but it's not only the finishing that's lacking in front of goal, it's his composure. He struggles to get crosses in and connect with runs and see movement in the box. I don't know, but I can't remember many assist from him either.
Quite. I mean, we shouldn't use this as a stick to beat Hernandez with either - his link-up game has improved dramatically, and he doesn't look at all out of place at United with the ball at his feet now, which is saying something - but when Welbeck is on it he is completely impossible to shift off the ball. Look, again, at the Madrid game - some of the best, most disciplined defensive midfielders in the game playing at 100 miles an hour against him and he persistently just danced around them as if they were training cones, pretty much never losing the ball.
It's crazy that his 'technical' ability has been called into question. He is a good player technically and some of his goals have proved that much.
I think we can all agree (though some seem to have a problem admitting it, strangely enough) that he needs to work on his finishing and his general play in-front of goal. But I'm pretty happy with his general play; his finishing / possible confidence issues need to be ardressed. Hopefully he can get off the mark pre-season.
I think we can all agree (though some seem to have a problem admitting it, strangely enough) that he needs to work on his finishing and his general play in-front of goal. But I'm pretty happy with his general play; his finishing / possible confidence issues need to be ardressed. Hopefully he can get off the mark pre-season.
It was slating his finishing, which is the one weakness of an otherwise very good player indeed (and not a weakness which he's always had either, but rather I think a result of him never getting a proper run in the side any more). You're trying to extrapolate from that weakness that he'll never be a top class player.
Do you think the 'over the top defence' from everyone else in this thread might perhaps be because you're... wrong?
Hernandez isn't great in the build up, but hes a an absolutely deadly finisher, and better technique than most give him credit for.
He won't score 20 goals a season, but that doesn't mean he can't become a top player. Is he top class at the minute? Probably not, but there are plenty of positives there. He holds the ball up, brings others into play, and as I say, his movement and overall knowledge of the game is good. As with all young players, there are always going to be areas of improvement and it would be naive to think otherwise.
As a striker when you aren't scoring goals your confidence is going to take a knock. 2 goals in a season for an attacker is poor. No two ways about that. What I will say is that he has shown the mental toughness to overcome that, and I'd you don't have the personality to overcome that, you won't succeed at a club like United. Only takes a goal to get you kick started, and I expect that will be the case with Welbeck.
Again though, he offers a great deal for me and I'm glad he's a United player. He would run through a brick wall for this club, and the more he matures and develops as a player, the better he will become. The signs are positive.
Players develop at different rates. You have your Rooney's and Ronaldo's who burst onto the scene at a young age, and then you have your late bloomers like Drogba and Cantona. Fergie has always said that Welbeck is a late developer, mainly due to his body growth.
Why do you seem so keen to write off a young local Manchester United player just because he's not the finished article at 23?
Yeah agree with all of that. I'm hoping he can score a couple pre-season.
This is basically true. His link-up play is now certainly good enough though. Some lovely bits of play and assists this season.
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