Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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pros of staying at united

[*] You're at the top of the table,fighting for trophies every year
[*] You're training and playing with someof the best players in the world
[*] You have the best manager of all time
[*] You're playing football week in week out
[*] Great wages
[*] Playing for his local team
[*] Added reputation for internationals
 
kietotheworld said:
Sure, but he's being played out on the wing, getting brief cameos and playing in the Cups. He's only scored one goal so it's obviously not doing him much good, it'd be a lot better for his development if he went to another club where he could play as a striker week in week out.
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Fabregas isn't getting any game time in Barcelona's midfield when everyone is fit, should they loan him to Osasuna where he could play as a midfielder week in week out?
 
Amar__ said:
Fabregas isn't getting any game time in Barcelona's midfield when everyone is fit, should they loan him to Osasune where he could play as a midfielder week in week out?
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Cesc has started 20 games for Barca and has 4 sub appearances.

That's an atrocious analogy.

Edit: He also has 9 assists and 7 goals to boost.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Cesc has started 20 games for Barca and has 4 sub appearances.

That's an atrocious analogy.

Edit: He also has 9 assists and 7 goals to boost.
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We are talking about appearances, and actually Fabregas started 18, and has 4 sub apps, while Welbeck started 12 games, and has 10 sub apps.

That's 1357 minutes for Welbeck, 1638 minutes for Fabregas, that's not huuuge difference, so it's not really atrocious analogy.
 
Amar__ said:
We are talking about appearances, and actually Fabregas started 18, and has 4 sub apps, while Welbeck started 12 games, and has 10 sub apps.

That's 1357 minutes for Welbeck, 1638 minutes for Fabregas, that's not huuuge difference, so it's not really atrocious analogy.
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It is, though. Fabregas is proven world class and one of Barcelona's best players. Welbeck is a young 4th choice striker getting played out of position when others are injured, or playing up front when they are getting a rest. Sending him on loan wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Like I said, it wont happen but it's hardly a terrible idea that we will regret for years to come. 15 league games starting as a striker at a lower club, or possibly 5 starts at United because we have Rooney, Nani and Kagawa fit again.
 
Amar__ said:
We are talking about appearances, and actually Fabregas started 18, and has 4 sub apps, while Welbeck started 12 games, and has 10 sub apps.

That's 1357 minutes for Welbeck, 1638 minutes for Fabregas, that's not huuuge difference, so it's not really atrocious analogy.
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Fab has started 20 in all competitions, go check your stats again.

Xavi has 23(3), Busquets has 22(1)....may be you should have used them.

Cesc is a 25 year old established player with plenty of first team experience with Arsenal and Barcelona. Welbeck is a young player, who needs game at this stage to further his development.

Please don't embarrass yourself by arguing further.
 
Orton said:
It is, though. Fabregas is proven world class and one of Barcelona's best players. Welbeck is a young 4th choice striker getting played out of position when others are injured, or playing up front when they are getting a rest. Sending him on loan wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Like I said, it wont happen but it's hardly a terrible idea that we will regret for years to come. 15 league games starting as a striker at a lower club, or possibly 5 starts at United because we have Rooney, Nani and Kagawa fit again.
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But why in fecking Reading, arguably worst team in the league? He could easily play in Chelsea and Arsenal tbf(I know we won't send him there, but I'm just saying that he is way ahead reading's level.)
 
Forevergiggs said:
Fab has started 20 in all competitions, go check your stats again.

Xavi has 23(3), Busquets has 22(1)....may be you should have used them.

Cesc is a 25 year old established player with plenty of first team experience with Arsenal and Barcelona. Welbeck is a young player, who needs game at this stage to further his development.

Please don't embarrass yourself by arguing further.
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You are counting international apps, while I wasn't adding that. Anyway, you can add one app to welbeck, and one sub app. It's still doesn't make any difference.

Welbeck 1447 minutes, Fabregas 1803 minutes. Difference? Three and a half games, yeah, actrious analogy. :lol:

I am embarassing myself, but you want Welbeck to go on loan to fecking Reading, worst team in the league, great.
 
See, we've just got Rooney back in training, but what if Van Patsy or Yourmandez had been injured during that period? Have we not seen how disastrous it can be to be understocked on cover? Look at our defence, midfield and wingers for reminders.

We had Nani and Valencia, with Young and Giggs fit for wings, everything was fine until the first three turned to shite and took it in turns getting injured, we went from having some of the best wing play in the league, to looking like some of the poorest, through injuries and form alone.
 
Amar__ said:
You are counting international apps, while I wasn't adding that. Anyway, you can add one app to welbeck, and one sub app. It's still doesn't make any difference.

Welbeck 1447 minutes, Fabregas 1803 minutes. Difference? Three and a half games, yeah, actrious analogy. :lol:

I am embarassing myself, but you want Welbeck to go on loan to fecking Reading, worst team in the league, great.
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Sweet Jesus!!

Where did I say we should send him on loan to Reading?

Putting smileys isn't going to change the fact that it was highly stupid of you brining Cesc into the discussion. Anyways, for your good I am going to stop reponding to you on the issue.

That's the kind of guy I am. ;)
 
Forevergiggs said:
Sweet Jesus!!

Where did I say we should send him on loan to Reading?

Putting smileys isn't going to change the fact that it was highly stupid of you brining Cesc into the discussion. Anyways, for your good I am going to stop reponding to you on the issue.

That's the kind of guy I am. ;)
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No, it's not. I proved that with comparing their number of minutes they spent on the pitch, three and a half games for half of season is nothing.

I brought Fabregas randomly, he is the first player I had on mind, because when everybody is fit he isn't starter for them, same situation with Welbeck at United. It was just an example.

If escaping from discussion is your way of doing good for me, don't do it anymore.

As I said, comparing their number of apps, I proved that your "actrious analogy" comment was too harsh.
 
manutddjw said:
.Even if he were to go on loan and become a regular goalscorer, he's still going to find himself in the same situation he's in currently next season, with Rooney and Van Persie ahead of him and playing whenever possible.
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Best post I've seen on the matter. Sums it up perfectly.

So what's the point in sending him off on loan, his position in the squad is set for the next three years.
 
Amar__ said:
You are counting international apps, while I wasn't adding that. Anyway, you can add one app to welbeck, and one sub app. It's still doesn't make any difference.

Welbeck 1447 minutes, Fabregas 1803 minutes. Difference? Three and a half games, yeah, actrious analogy. :lol:

I am embarassing myself, but you want Welbeck to go on loan to fecking Reading, worst team in the league, great.
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You realise that Fabregas is playing in his preferred position every time he plays? Also that he has already realised his potential so doesn't need game time to do so? Also that Fabregas is arguably part of Barcelona's best XI?

Using Fabregas is a terrible, terrible comparison.
 
finneh said:
You realise that Fabregas is playing in his preferred position every time he plays? Also that he has already realised his potential so doesn't need game time to do so? Also that Fabregas is arguably part of Barcelona's best XI?

Using Fabregas is a terrible, terrible comparison.
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Every player needs games, player who has achived his potential would be more unhappy on the bench than a young player who is yet to prove his class, especially player who is paid more than 30m pounds, so that's not good argument at all from you.

Fabregas isn't really nailed starter in Barcelona. He is rotated often, played against Real Madrid as a part of front 3, was dropped in their two games against Celtic when everybody was fit. If everybody is fit, I don't see him as a starter there tbf, especially in his preferred position.

As for him playing in his preferred position, you got me there so can't argue with that, even though still sometimes he plays upfront.
 
finneh said:
You realise that Fabregas is playing in his preferred position every time he plays?
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Oh come off it with that shit. Last night he played as a false 9 for feck sake.
 
Comparing Fabregas to Welbeck, you really are a moron. He starts against Real Madrid and doesn't start against Celtic so he's not first choice :lol:.
 
How the hell did he think comparing Fabregas to Welbeck would work? :lol:
 
His finishing was awfull, but his allround play is terrific, he is everywhere,left wing, right wing, in front of midfield, in attack, tracking back, I would like to know how much miles has he covered.
 
Amar__ said:
His finishing was awfull, but his allround play is terrific, he is everywhere,left wing, right wing, in front of midfield, in attack, tracking back, I would like to know how much miles has he covered.
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That sums him up - if his work-rate had been just slightly less, he would never have a career at United. But it's his work-rate and overall play that makes it possible to start against Liverpool at Old Trafford.

Having said that - he has to improve his strike-rate in the next year or 2 - because no team can have a striker who scores 1 goal in 6 months. And by God I hope it does - because he is such a skillfull player
 
If he can get a bit more composure in the box then he'll be such a top player, has got so much to his game. Right now I'd love to see him run at people more, he's got the power and technique to do it, even if he doesn't fashion a great scoring opportunity he'll worry the opposition and open stuff for others.
 
Orton said:
As soon as the ball goes to him near the box, he looks unsure of what to do. Apart from that he's been great today. Such a handful for any defence.
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So I guess him constantly setting up other players with his passing in the box doesn't count?

I wouldn't say his finishing has been awful at all today either, he hasn't exactly had any clear cut chances.
 
I hope he can get the last part sorted. The 3 times he has been played trough, you just know it will amount to nothing. He should be more direct in the last part of the pitch and take on the space available and wait for the right moment to finish.
 
He has my permission to go out on loan. When he gets near the box, it's like he's playing a meaningless game of five of side, trying to impress his mates rather than do something constructive.
 
If you slate Welbeck after today, you're not fit to watch football in the first place. He was outstanding.
 
Didn't deserve MOTM frankly. His work ethic was good but his passing and finishing was poor.
 
forevrared said:
If you slate Welbeck after today, you're not fit to watch football in the first place. He was outstanding.
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End product actually matters you know.

Van Persie barely touched the ball but he scored once, assisted another and almost scored twice with shots that were on target and tested Reina and as such he was better than Welbeck today by a distance.
 
lunchforthesky said:
End product actually matters you know.

Van Persie barely touched the ball but he scored once, assisted another and almost scored twice with shots that were on target and tested Reina and as such he was better than Welbeck today by a distance.
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Spot on
 
Gary Neville knows his football. He was very good today.
 
Ferguson put Welback in that team to do exactly what he did, and was one of the best players on the pitch.

Yes his finishing and composure in the box needs maturity, but some of the comments he gets on here are fecking brainless :lol:
 
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