Danny Rose
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united's scouts are really sleeping if they dont help us getting one of ryan/tierney
After the Luke Shaw debacle, I don't think Mourinho is interested in another project. He wants the finished article and will most likely go after Danny Rose who wants to leave and come to United.
Maicon? Weird reference.
We cant keep up passing on these talented players. We will be in the market for a new LB in 3-4 seasons if we go for Rose.
Unfortunately I really don't think we're in a position to buy someone young and inexperienced. We need to start competing and with youth it could go either way, nothing to suggest they're ready to make such a huge step up. Ideally we'd sign one of Tierney or Sessengon alongside someone like Rose as competition and as an understudy.
Unless it doesn't work out, we won't be. He's 27 and still has like 6-7years. If he can make the position his own, then we will have ample time to scout for talented young players to replace him.
You can almost envision it now..
We buy Rose for 40mill+, Spuds replace him with Sessegnon for 20 odd mill, he goes on to to impress, meanwhile Rose is on the treatment table all too often and we continue to play Blind/Damien/Young at LB.
The cycle starts again, with Caf posters drooling over Spurs Sessegnon and whining why we didn't go for him when he left Fulham, welcome to Man Utd/RedCafe circa 2014+
We buy Rose for 40mill+, Spuds replace him with Sessegnon for 20 odd mill, he goes on to to impress, meanwhile Rose is on the treatment table all too often and we continue to play Blind/Damien/Young at LB.
The cycle starts again, with Caf posters drooling over Spurs Sessegnon and whining why we didn't go for him when he left Fulham, welcome to Man Utd/RedCafe circa 2014+
As opposed to the 10 years of service we got from Shaw?
As opposed to rotating veteran wingers, utility men, and average Italian right backs there?
I'd take a strong option like Rose myself.
Strong option?
Well, I didn't phrase that correctly. I am not at all against Rose, entering his peak and would be an instant upgrade. All our LB options are dross and I wouldn't mind if all of them are shipped in the summer or start from January if we get a new LB at that time. A young and upcoming LB with the experienced player in Rose would a good window for us.
I dont think people need to generalize this Shaw situation. He got a serious injury, and he lacked proper attitude to recover from it.
He is, isn't he?
We are one of the biggest clubs in the world and should be going for the best. We are a bigger club than Spurs whether their fans like to admit it or not. Thus expectation is much higher here, do we have time to be blooding youth players and bringing through talent constantly? Outside of the domestic cups I dont really see it. So generally we go in for the finished article(and also have the cash to do so).
Another thing is a lot of youth players want game time, Eriksen chose Spurs over City because he knew he would get more game time. So rather than sitting behind Silva he walked into the Spurs first 11. Same with Sanchez, heard Barca, Juventus, Bayern, a lot of big clubs were keen on him. But he chose Spurs and has he missed a game? Again walked into their starting 11, Id imagine it will be the same with Sessegnon if Rose leaves. He is pretty much guaranteed to be in rotation with Davies.
I feel if we played a lot of academy/youth players expectations would have to lower a bit here, youth players have one bad game and are getting shredded by posters. They are going to have bad games, that is the very definition of learning. So its hard, especially when expectations are we are challenging for the title and making deep inroads in the CL/cups. For Spurs I think the fan base is happy to qualify for champs, which is no slight on them, just a snapshot of where the two clubs fan bases imagine their teams to be.
No. What I want to know is where his sudden stardom among the CAF faithful has come from? He’s had 1 semi decent season. I know another LB who had 1 semi decent season also just coming back from an injury.
On this one we can not blame the scouts. If we dont buy him it is Mourinhos call. Not only because he is so well known that they definitley know him, but this kid has been playing with Mourinhos son for several years. He should know him better than anyone.
What about his injury record?
From what I see, he's managed to play more than 30 games only once in his career.
206 club games for 27yo defender is a pretty poor record.
Come on, we can do better than that.
From what I see, he's managed to play more than 30 games only once in his career.
206 club games for 27yo defender is a pretty poor record.
Come on, we can do better than that.
He didn't have a semi decent season. He was the best LB in the league before he got injured.
Although his injury record is not the greatest and he's suffered some long-term injuries, it has to noted he only established himself in 2013 at 23.
In 3 years he'll be 30.
Too old.
Too old.
I'd rather we went for sandro than splashed 40 million on rose.
Really doesn’t say much does it. He was in a league bereft of LB’s. Shaw has been the best LB in the league also but look what people say about him now.
We’d be mad to spend more than 30 mil on him and even then I’d rather give Mitchell and CBJ a go. Rose is the most overated player there has been in quite some time.
Plus he has no resale value whatsoever.
Lets ignore proven quality, play youngsters just because they're already here or chase a personal favourite that isn't even on the market, then complain about Jose when we draw away to West Brom because of Citys team full of big name signings are winning every week.
I can't wait
I can't wait
Is Rose proven quality because he had one season where he got in to the PFA team of the year?
He's hardly a one season wonder. Has been one of the best full backs in the country for the past 4 seasons or so. @cyberman is right, City aren't smashing it because they were shrewd, it's because the have bought proven quality in pretty much every single position. Hell, even their bench is now full of it, Silva, Gündoğan; even Jesus at times.
Levy knows this would be a panic buy in the January window so he would accept nothing less than 50m for his above average, oft injured player. Mourinho's steadfast refusal too consider developing Mitchell at LB puts him in the position where he can't refuse. This is the kind of decision making that produces a roster that fights for 4th place in the PL and considers domestic cup trophies a major accomplishment.
We're second, have been all season, no-one looks capable of taking that from us so far, but erm yeah sure. Not playing a 20 year old, none left back at left back in the Premier is the biggest mistake a side like United can make.
Again bets fullback in the country. A country currently lacking any real top quality fullbacks. Arguably Alonso is probably the best left back now and probably last season..
Who’s this personal favourite that isn’t on the market either, is Rose on the market? Has it been confirmed by Levy or Poch? Are Sane and Jesus not players City took a risk on and are now reaping the rewards from. Arguably they took a risk on Aguero and look how that played out. Then to deminish any young talent like they can’t cut it. Just hilarious
I'd rather get Bertrand. Similar age, very consistent since he moved to Southampton who you would also imagine would be much easier to deal with than Levy at Spurs and he will probably move ahead of Rose in the England pecking order before the season's over.
Again ? Since when Shaw was the best LB in the league ?
I'll say again, his average games played over the last 4 years (Discounting this season which has been a write off so far) in the PL is the low 20's mark, 22, 28, 24, 18.
He's coming off a major injury and seemed to miss a lot of games even before that .
He's coming off a major injury and seemed to miss a lot of games even before that .
Spurs seem to be in no sort of angst about Rose so shouldnt that tell us something,if he is not good enough for Spurs then for the life of me I cannot see why we should be interested!!
Exactly. We want players to hit their peak with us, not before us. If we have inexpericed players in the team getting minutes then the experienced players just need to step up more. We should be able to give an exciting young left back games... especially at home.
I don't want rose. I want someone potentially better and for us to trust them. We need to change the profile of players we are signing. It's not really been working that well for us so far. Hopefully Ribalta and all these new scouts get us some impact players and LB is a very important position with how we play. Young will probably still be here next season anyway and he's been one of our best players this year, strangely enough...
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And he'd be 28 when he joins, with most fullbacks starting to decline soon after that. Paying 40-50M for 1-2 years of excellent production then a bit meh seems like madness. For that price we could buy literally any fullback in Spain, France or Germany not at Barca, Real, Bayern or PSG and if our scouts can't identify a 20-25 year old who can outperform Danny Rose over the next 5 years from those 3 leagues we should fire them all.
They were the same with Walker too end of last season leading many to conclude that he isn’t going to be good elsewhere.
Rose isn't a bad player, but his injury-record is a great concern and if we are gonna sign a new left back, surely there are better options in Italy, Spain or France ?
For some weird reason this place has a hard on for buying injury probe players. Rose and Bale both great both too injury probe for the money they would cost. I think a safe bet is Bertrand he is an improvement on what we got and would not cost as much as Rose.
Also Bertrand fits our transfer policy. Player should be ex Chelsea player. Should fit nicely with Mata, Lukaku, Matic and biggest of them all Jose.
That's such a busted metric.
We can't buy players based on resale value.
We don't sell players when their value starts to decline.
The goal is for your best players to leave after their peak and replace them with someone equally good or better. Great clubs should be comfortable with £0 sales for adequately replaced first team players.
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