sell Carrick then
on more serious note - i cant see us signing any midfilder for another 3-4 years. We have everything what we need and even more.
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sell Carrick then
on more serious note - i cant see us signing any midfilder for another 3-4 years. We have everything what we need and even more.
I agree and the likes of Anderson are only going to get better. Fletcher has really shown that he's become the player he was born to be and i think he'll continue to improve.
There will be riots in Rome if Roma sold De Rossi.
To be fair we don't need any more players. What have the perfect squad. Though we can still strengthen If SAF wants it.
aye, and Fletcher is not a finished product yet. That Possebon fella is a mouth-watering prospect.
-----------Foster-----------
Fab--Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
--------De Rossi
Hargreaves-Carrick-Anderson
----Ronaldo
----------Rooney
That team would have power, pace and balance. Shit the cabinet maker would have to work 24/7 due to all the silver stuff that would be coming our way.
Fab--Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
--------De Rossi
Hargreaves-Carrick-Anderson
----Ronaldo
----------Rooney
That team would have power, pace and balance. Shit the cabinet maker would have to work 24/7 due to all the silver stuff that would be coming our way.
Swap Carrick with De Rossi. Put Ronaldo and Rooney on the flanks and a true lead the line striker upfront.
nah, we love Brwned over thereGot slaughtered on goonersweb yesterday? Bad timing to visit an Arsenal forum.
(though I'd gladly push him off the nearest roof if it meant signing De Rossi)
There are rumours about several financial groups wanting to take control of Roma, this would mean that there's no need anymore to sell their best players.
Even if that does not happen, do you really think Roma will let go of De Rossi?
You could have just ended this sentance like this, and it would be fine.
He's regarded as the symbol of the club alongside Totti and designed as the next captain, I think they have to be absolutely desperate to let go of him. I see it as a very remote possibility.
Arsenal should go for him, tailor-made for their midfield.
Arsenal wouldn't buy him if Roma hung a 50% off sign around his neck.
I agree to an extent. They could impose their games on weaker sides but as a pairing I don't think they could cut it against the better sides. Although their styles are different to a degree, they are fairly similar. I don't think they'd be mobile enough to. I think they would need a third man.
I think Carrick is better than De Rossi and I am not one of the massive Carrick fans that do be in the Caf so that is not some kind of fan-boi love.
if we wanted to improve upon carrick we are talking about the top, grade a, absolute superstar class of footballer....
michael essien/steven gerrard
michael essien/steven gerrard
We already have more than enough midfielders.
Different types of players to Carrick, each with their own merits. Carrick is a class act & one of Fergies's best signings...
feck Essien (Mr Calc) & Gerrard (Mr Hollywood Balls) No he isnt.
Well you are wrong this time. De Rossi is without question the superior player. I shudder to think how good we would be if we could ever added him to Fletcher/Hargreaves/Anderson and Carrick
If this is true, I wonder which English club that would be.
Arsenal probably
I wouldn't be surprised if it's us. Scholes and Giggsy will retire in June 2010, Hargreaves could adapt to a wing-role while Ronaldo moves upfront and 'replaces' Tevez as one of our three strikers.
2009/10: Fletcher, Carrick, De Rossi, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs, (Gibson)
2010/11: Fletcher, Carrick, De Rossi, Anderson, (Gibson)
Seriously the inner muppet of me is speaking here. It could be either of Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool. Arsenal need someone like De Rossi to partner Fabregas (would be a strong midfield to be fair), there are rumours Mourinho is interested in Obi Mikel, Ballack is old and injury-prone so De Rossi would make sense alongside Lampard/Essien and Liverpool could sell Alonso to Real (Perez already stated he wants to sign him if memory serves me right) and replace him with De Rossi.
This is going to be interesting, but I'm not sure if De Rossi himself even considers a move.
I'm guessing Citeh. Arsenal wouldn't make a big enough offer. Chelsea?
It;s City
Would be great in the Premiership. Just the player Arsenal could do with to be honest, but I suspect City would out bid everyone.
I hope its us or the Gunners. Id hate to see Chelsea or Pool get him.
Liverpool shouldn't be interested, they have enough midfielders. Him and Essien in Chelsea's midfield would be amazing but they cannot exactly afford him now that Abramovich is reluctant to spending that sorts of money, besides they do not have a manager really (Hiddink won't make signings as he's leaving). Probably City, then again would De Rossi really consider a move there?
I'd love to see us get a proper fecking all-action midfielder next to Carrick. Someone of the sort of calibre of Gerrard, Lampard or Essien. Fletcher's become a very good player but it's hard to see him ever hitting that sort of level. Hopefully Anderson can step up.
Hope its us, expect its city.
I'm trying not to be knee jerk after losing a cup final to a great team in what has been a very successful season but i'm seriously coming to the conclusion that someone of De Rossi's talent and perhaps more importantly from a United perspective his personality should be a priority signing to bring leadership and experience in the centre of the midfield.
When United don't perform to a high level in European competition (which hasn't been that often over the last few years) the words 'Roy' and 'Keane' tend to go through my mind, I think everyone had that feeling particularly after the defeat to AC Milan in 2007, it was the same for me against Barcelona. I believe that Daniele De Rossi could have a major impact on this United team, not only because of his talent but crucially because of his character and tactical intelligence.
With Hargreaves never likely to play over 30 league games a season, Anderson still a work in progress and Scholes and Giggs coming to the end, De Rossi could bring freshness to this area of the pitch and join Carrick and Fletcher as the central midfield players who are at an age where they could be considered at their peak.
If there were ever a time De Rossi would leave Roma now has got to be it. Roma are out of the Champions League and in financial difficulty, the player has stated he is willing to stay with Roma but if I were in the position to pursue the signing of De Rossi I would do so in a heartbeat, even after what has been an underwhelming season for him. United should at least try to make the signing of this player a reality even if there is a remote chance of him leaving Roma.
A new and exciting challenge would be great for the player, he speaks English and could even improve by joining a new club, if he ever leaves Roma soon I hope his destination is Old Trafford.
When United don't perform to a high level in European competition (which hasn't been that often over the last few years) the words 'Roy' and 'Keane' tend to go through my mind, I think everyone had that feeling particularly after the defeat to AC Milan in 2007, it was the same for me against Barcelona. I believe that Daniele De Rossi could have a major impact on this United team, not only because of his talent but crucially because of his character and tactical intelligence.
With Hargreaves never likely to play over 30 league games a season, Anderson still a work in progress and Scholes and Giggs coming to the end, De Rossi could bring freshness to this area of the pitch and join Carrick and Fletcher as the central midfield players who are at an age where they could be considered at their peak.
If there were ever a time De Rossi would leave Roma now has got to be it. Roma are out of the Champions League and in financial difficulty, the player has stated he is willing to stay with Roma but if I were in the position to pursue the signing of De Rossi I would do so in a heartbeat, even after what has been an underwhelming season for him. United should at least try to make the signing of this player a reality even if there is a remote chance of him leaving Roma.
A new and exciting challenge would be great for the player, he speaks English and could even improve by joining a new club, if he ever leaves Roma soon I hope his destination is Old Trafford.
I was just about to start a thread on De Rossi. After the match finished last night one thought was going through my mind: we needed a midfield general. I couldn't help but feel that, for example, Liverpool would have coped far better with Barcelona last night because of their possession of Mascherano (and to a certain extent Alonso).
It was clear to me that we're lacking someone who can just dominate teams. Roy Keane could do it - that Juventus team had Zidane for Chrissakes and yet Roy Keane fecked them up. We need someone else like that.
It's all very well saying Carrick failed to turn up again - which is what I've been saying, so I'm not criticising anyone for that point of view - but you have to wonder why. Is it because we were asking him to do something he's just not particularly comfortable with? I think it might be. He's a deep-lying playmaker, so to speak, and the strength of his game is creating attacks, not winning the ball. He can win the ball, and against lesser teams he often does, but it's not a coincidence in my eyes that he tends to play very badly against excellent opposition.
Someone of De Rossi's calibre is exactly what we need. Destructively brilliant, but creatively excellent too; full of energy, and with a habit of dominating opponents. And he's got a belter of a shot on him too when he wants.
Whatsmore, he's a fecking mentalist, and I genuinly think we need someone like that in the centre of the park. It's all very well having Rooney and Ronaldo up front showing some passion, but it's been very conspicuous this season that when the chips are down we don't have anyone in the middle capable of grabbing this team by the scruff of the neck and saying, "buck the feck up, cnuts."
Here's hoping.
Except when he's partnering Fletcher, which is further evidence towards this.
Carrick is a deep-lying playmaker who is good enough defensively to be the main defensive midfielder against the majority of teams. He's an Alonso, a Pirlo, a Xavi. A little better defensively than any of them, a little worse attacking than them. You wouldn't ask Alonso to play as the main DM (I'm using this term simply because I don't want to keep writing 'the main defensive midfielder') against a top team, that's what Mascherano is there for. Xavi has Toure. Pirlo has Gattuso. If injury forced one of these playmakers to perform as the DM in a CL final against one of the four best teams in the world, you wouldn't hold much hope. But that's exactly what Carrick was asked to do. And he did as well as could realistically be expected considering he was the only midfielder who bothered turning up.
We know Fletch can play that role and combine with Carrick wonderfully. Hargreaves may or may not be able to, I'm fairly certain they've only played together in our 4231 formation once (to devastating effect in our 4-1 FA Cup victory over Arsenal last season).
The question is, do we keep relying on Carrick, Fletcher and the uncertainty of Hargreaves for those roles? Is that enough depth? Or do we need to bring in another option? And if so, should that option be a 'superstar' like De Rossi, or a player about the same level as Fletch/Hargreaves? I can't decide. De Rossi would be good, but is it our top priority? Or is our money going to go towards a winger or a striker (Tevez?)?
Can't see us prising De Rossi away from Rome, and surely we have to give our investments in Hargreaves and Anderson more of a chance?
If we are going to continue playing or 4231 against the top teams, Anderson is far more suited to the more attacking role than as one of the deeper two. Leaving us with Carrick, Flecher and Hargreaves to interchange between two positions.
As for whether we (or anyone else) can get De Rossi, I think it's entirely dependant on Roma. He won't want to leave, but if Roma get an offer that they think they have to take for the sake of their finances, then he'll go. So the question is just how bad are Roma's finances.
Hargreaves can play right-back as well.
It isn't inconceivable to think that he will be utilised in multiple positions - that he is capable of playing - to accommodate 'something extra' in our midfield. I can't see it happening though - we need to replace Tevez; he is surely going to depart.
Somebody made a very good point in another thread about Berbatov dropping into midfield a lot this season to create more (as that is what we have been lacking). Maybe Fergie has caught wind of this deficiency.
I just can't see us signing De Rossi, although naturally, i'd love it.
It isn't inconceivable to think that he will be utilised in multiple positions - that he is capable of playing - to accommodate 'something extra' in our midfield. I can't see it happening though - we need to replace Tevez; he is surely going to depart.
Somebody made a very good point in another thread about Berbatov dropping into midfield a lot this season to create more (as that is what we have been lacking). Maybe Fergie has caught wind of this deficiency.
I just can't see us signing De Rossi, although naturally, i'd love it.
Yesterday what we lacked most was our own version of Iniesta. More than a Keane clone like De Rossi.
De Rossi is a great passer of the ball too.
We had our Iniesta on the pitch. Unfortunately it wasnt Giggs' best night.
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