Got slaughtered on goonersweb yesterday? Bad timing to visit an Arsenal forum.
Yesterday?! In which thread?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Yesterday?! In which thread?
Sorry, not yesterday, I was thinking about the matchday.
Yep, me too.
Up there with the best centre mids around, along with Essien, Iniesta and Xavi.
I don't think De Rossi would be that much of an improvement on Carrick.
The midfield trio of Fletcher, Anderson and Carrick has the ability to beat anyone. And then Hargreaves can fill in in each of these roles.
The midfield trio of Fletcher, Anderson and Carrick has the ability to beat anyone. And then Hargreaves can fill in in each of these roles.
De rossi would be our best signing in years if we ever got him.
This
Good shout but I could counter and say the midfield duo of Carrick/De Rossi could impose their will on games freeing up the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani, Park, Berbatov, etc. to exploit the flanks and final third. The need for a three man midfield would be moot for majority of matches. SAF would have in two players what it takes three, sometiems four players to do. Might be similar to when Keane and Ince controlled midfield.
He would walk right into our midfield. We would play 4-3-3 more often as well, although not sure where Hargreaves would fit in next year (rightback ?)
It's the new agreed.
The same way Scholes and Giggs have been fitting in. Horses for courses.
It's the new agreed.
Yeah, it's equally as pointless too.
Why bother?
Well what else can you say when someone else has said the exact thing you want to say?
Well what else can you say when someone else has said the exact thing you want to say?
Well, nothing.
A midfield of ours with De Rossi added wouldn't just have ability to beat anyone. It WOULD just beat anyone.
Personally I've never seen the point in saying nothing because some one else has said what you want to say.
Well if someone else has already said what you were thinking, saying you agree with them doesn't add anything to the argument.
Unless you think it does, somehow, because you feel like your opinion has a lot of credibility.
Honestly there is nothing wrong with bigging up someone else's opinion. After all we do it all the time when we vote .
When we vote?
People vote because their opinion matters.
Saying you agree with someone isn't in any way useful, because no-one cares, it doesn't make that opinion any more credible so it doesn't matter.
Or by supporting you he diminishes your credibility and thus the rant?
(You can reply "This" if you want)
Precisely. Every opinion matters. Even if it's been aired before.
By the mere fact it's an opinion it matters. It has little to do with adding weight or credibility to any topic. It's simply part and parcel of discussion. Some things are agreed upon, others are disputed, others controversial, others plain bullshit..etc
Not in my opinion, perhaps I have never seen him at his best but imo somewhat overrated
This is spot on. I believe he is the type of midfielder many imagine Gerrard to be. As complete as they come.
The important is that he will never buy him
if we need to fork out 20-30 million for tevez (or a tevez replacement) then im not sure we would have 35-40 million spare for a central midfielder when we have
carrick
scholes
giggs
anderson
fletcher
hargreaves
gibson
possebon
and lallijak
di rossi is a top playet Im just not sure its where our priorities lie...
arsenal and real madrid on the other hand would be massivley improved by him
as for mexes again i cant see us going for a centreback when we have rio, vidic and evans with brown and o'shea more than capable of playing there as well... again arsenal is a possibility... though barca could probably do with a few new defenders and i cant think od many likley to e available who are better than him
perotta I dont think is quite up to what we have already... though being born in england perhaps he will come and play a season or 2 here? could be a good signing for somebody like everton... hes not a glamour player but works hard for the team and would be well suited to the premiership...
carrick
scholes
giggs
anderson
fletcher
hargreaves
gibson
possebon
and lallijak
di rossi is a top playet Im just not sure its where our priorities lie...
arsenal and real madrid on the other hand would be massivley improved by him
as for mexes again i cant see us going for a centreback when we have rio, vidic and evans with brown and o'shea more than capable of playing there as well... again arsenal is a possibility... though barca could probably do with a few new defenders and i cant think od many likley to e available who are better than him
perotta I dont think is quite up to what we have already... though being born in england perhaps he will come and play a season or 2 here? could be a good signing for somebody like everton... hes not a glamour player but works hard for the team and would be well suited to the premiership...
Let me beg to differ. De Rossi is an upgrade on all our midfielders. He is a defensive midfielder with a good eye to goal.
Giggs and Scholes will retire after next season, so our midfield options would be Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Hargreaves and De Rossi. What a brilliant midfield that would be.
But honestly, Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson already is one of the best midfield combinations in Europe and personally I'm excited to see them develop even further next season. Hargreaves will play his fair share of games as well; We have had 66 (!) games this season, every squad member plays a part over the course of such a season. I'd give a lot to have Hargreaves available for the final.
It's hard to consider Hargreaves when he misses far more matches than he suits up for. I also think he'd be considered more of an O'Shea midfield version... not a particular position but can fill in anywhere as needed. Personally think he'd have cemented himself at RB had he stayed fit while Brown was out.
But with the number of matches United play plus another potential Super Cup and CWC trip, there's plenty of room for the likes of De Rossi in the current midfield.
But with the number of matches United play plus another potential Super Cup and CWC trip, there's plenty of room for the likes of De Rossi in the current midfield.
Yeah, they are complementary...as the trio Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf some year ago
Gattuso (Fletcher) Pirlo (Carrick) Seedorf (Anderson)
Oh without doubt he could get games and improve the squad... possibly even be our best central midfielder... Im just not convinced that with however many hundreds of million in debt we are and seemingly having to fork out probably 30 million quid on a striker that adding a central midfielder is a priority... no doubt he would improve pretty much any team in the world... but its unlikley he would go for anything less than 30 million which seems a lot for a position we are pretty strong in
Feck me I agree with the chief
Not going to happen though..... he's a lifer at Roma I'm afraid
We have quality players in midfield, but getting a player like De Rossi can't hurt. He's different from what we already have at the club, so that's a positive.
Lifer at Roma? He almost left two years ago
Surely Madrid would be in for him, as for the people saying he would walk into United, I doubt I mean I am sure he could work his way into the first XI, but it's not like he was stunning v United in the CL, nor has he ever proved himself in the much faster English game.
Except in their prime each of those were the best in the world and none of Fletcher, Carrick or Anderson comes anywhere close nor will the first two ever be close. It's too early for Anderson though.
I rate Carrick but when it comes to the very top end of midfielders he isn't quite there imho. De Rossi might not settle straight into the english game but he has everything to his game to suggest he would, he can do everything carrick can and more, much more. That's why he's future italy captain whilst Carrick can barely make an england squad. (not that i agree with this)
We don't need any more midfielders.
I agree, though in the end it matters not. It's the team's success that counts, and you can clearly see what the three of them bring to the team at the moment (and probably in the future). Not even for a second I would doubt the likes of Gattuso or Pirlo in their prime would have been a tremendous addition to our squad as well, but what more can a supporter ask for than a midfield which is good enough to take us to two consecutive Champions League finals and (possibly!) win three league titles in a row? (and that's certainly including Giggs, Scholes and Hargreaves when talking about 'our midfield').
In the end it doesn't really matters if those midfield players belong to 'the best of the world', it matters how they work together in a formation. And while I admit it's still early days (they only had a handful games together) the prospect, especially considering their age (Carrick 27, Fletcher 25, Anderson 21, all on long-term contracts), and their potential is more than exciting. Fergie choosing them in such important games like the one last Tuesday is further proof he thinks the same way as well.
His passing range is far, far more limited.
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