Daniel James | Officially Signs

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What’s his best position? Looks like he plays mostly on the LW going by the highlights video. So a competition for Martial I’m guessing. Much needed IMO. Also I’m guessing this means Mata &/or Sanchez is going to be sold.
1 down, RW, CM x 2, CB & RB left provided we don’t sell Lukaku Pogba and DDG
 
saivet said:
I think if those guys deserve it they will get game time ahead of James
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That's not how football works. When you buy players, you're obligated to play them. It really depends on the the way the contracts are written up. Greenwood has been tearing up the U23s and reserves but he's still yet to make a proper debut. Are you saying that Lukaku, Lingard, Martial and Rashford have been substantially better than Greenwood to start off every game this past season?
 
Really happy with this as a Welshman, hopefully he becomes a star for us and his Country.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's not how football works. When you buy players, you're obligated to play them. It really depends on the the way the contracts are written up. Greenwood has been tearing up the U23s and reserves but he's still yet to make a proper debut. Are you saying that Lukaku, Lingard, Martial and Rashford have been substantially better than Greenwood to start off every game this past season?
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No, you very much aren't. You probably shouldn't go around saying "that's not how football works" and following it up with bollocks.
 
Untd55 said:
Not really sure why people are upset about this. Honestly, I doubt the people moaning have even watched him in games, so why are you making such a fuss. £15m is not going to affect our transfer activities.

Even if you don't think he is good enough he is too low a priced to be so negative.
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Doesn't play for Ajax or Dortmund.. He can't be any good.
 
Sanche7 said:
What’s his best position? Looks like he plays mostly on the LW going by the highlights video. So a competition for Martial I’m guessing. Much needed IMO. Also I’m guessing this means Mata &/or Sanchez is going to be sold.
1 down, RW, CM x 2, CB & RB left provided we don’t sell Lukaku Pogba and DDG
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I don't think we are going for an out and out right winger - a diamond seems to be Ole's go-to for us in most big games, and I think Dortmund have been insistent on not selling Sancho. If this James transfer materialises, he could be an option on the right flank too. Hence, that RW might be replaced by an AM/striker signing.
 
Ekeke said:
Different role surely. Zaha would want to be playing each week
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don't get me wrong - i'm excited about a young player like James at a good price, but Zaha is a proven winger in the PL.
 
GaryLifo said:
On paper Henderson, Milner and Wijnaldum are journeyman midfielders who most United fans wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

In reality, they're part of an annoyingly good team and all three work their balls off in every match and make a massive contribution to the vermin's title and CL challenges.
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Agreed and good post. Not saying Daniel James will be some superb signing as I don't know anything about the player but people haven't learned a thing after writing off too many players as not good enough and they are playing regularly at the clubs better than us.
 
devilish said:
Well till the time of writing Pogba played for United, Juventus and United again (world record signing of the time). He's our main assist man as well. Meanwhile Zidane seems interested in having him at Real. Those are some big clubs there.

If we can find someone as good who works for the team then by all means we should get rid. But lets stop with this obsession about work rate. We're not at six place because of lack of dwork mules (although its a problem) but because of a serious lack in talent. The likes of Young, Shaw, Darmian, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Lingard, Lukaku and co shouldn't even be anywhere near at this team.
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Your talking too much sense. But like our reactive club we also have reactive fans. So we’ll have to go over this cycle all over again until the next arguement is we are not producing the quality. Why did we sign James whilst Liverpool or City signed such and such. Real Madrid have etc etc, but we think we can win the title with Declan Rice.

Not saying Rice won’t be a good player but our narrative about this rebuild is so wrong I can see if the club see things in the same light as what Gary Neville keeps preaching about it’s going to be a long long few years.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's not how football works. When you buy players, you're obligated to play them. It really depends on the the way the contracts are written up. Greenwood has been tearing up the U23s and reserves but he's still yet to make a proper debut. Are you saying that Lukaku, Lingard, Martial and Rashford have been substantially better than Greenwood to start off every game this past season?
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Have you seen our form? When did we buy Lingard and Rashford?

Do you think it’s wise to play Greenwood when we so shit. It could ruin his confidence. What if he’s shit along with the rest of the team? Then his confidence is gone.
 
Nick7 said:
No, you very much aren't. You probably shouldn't go around saying "that's not how football works" and following it up with bollocks.
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Can't really have a proper conversation with you since you don't READ PROPERLY. You leave out sections of my comments for your own convenience. Take care.
 
Bielsa's a smart man. His apparent desperation for him is a good sign and we get to do a job on Leeds, so that's ideal.

I think he looks like an exciting player, I know feck all about him and haven't yet seen any opinions from Swansea / Championship fans so it's hard to know, but the risk is minimal and the reward is potentially great.

Most importantly, it gives some credibility to the idea that we are changing our strategy, and that is more exciting to me than anything else.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's got to be the "strongest" argument I've heard in my life. When did I indicate that Martial is the barometer for standards that I"m looking for in a winger? All our wingers have been pathetic this season. However, we can't really change all 11 players, now can we....
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But you are quick to dismiss a young and upcoming player labelling him a "one trick pony".
Nothing I have read from you so far has had any substance. Try being a little more mature in your responses. Here's a thought, how about before you let your fingers do the talking, try thinking about your argument first.
 
beingshe7don said:
Can't really have a proper conversation with you since you don't READ PROPERLY. You leave out sections of my comments for your own convenience. Take care.
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Don't write a sentence if you don't understand what the sentence means. I mean look at United, Fred and Mkhitaryan didn't really get all the game time in the world, did they? Your posts are utterly nonsensical.
 
Young hungry prospect over the overpriced primadona footballers we've been signing any day of the week for me.

If he doesn't work out at 15 million it doesn't matter but when he costs 50 million you are obliged to play the bastard in order to get your moneys worth.

Having noticed him a few times for Swansea I'm happy we've bought ourselves a flying machine.
 
Tiber said:
Taking a low risk punt on a promising young British player. Difficult to see his some could spin this as bad news
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I’m happy to sign young talent but the rumours are we’re signing 4-5 players, it’s not convincing if he takes one of these spots.

We’re not in a position to take punts on players, we need improvements to our starting 11.
 
The sad thing is I'm extremely excited about this signing, tore City Apart in the Fa Cup, young British and Hungry, the problem will be when the transfer falls through. I bought 25 shares on football index for the kid at about £1.12 a share so let's sign him up and watch him die for the shirt unlike most of our current prima donnas!
 
Ekeke said:
Its both. Our talented players dont work as hard as the top clubs players, leading us to need players who make up for their lack of workrate or we have holes that can be exploited defensively
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That didn't stop Juventus or France to surround him with top talented players though. He was a key player in both sides btw.

If you ask me, United's biggest problem is complacency. Too many players has been here for too long despite not being good enough. This is infecting everyone including the top players. Meanwhile washed up players are desperate to join us as they see us as a good club to take their final pay cheque from.

What is the solution to the problem? SAF tackled it back in late 80s by adding 11 players in 2 years. By doing so, he could get rid of those whose attitude was shit + it also served as a wake up call to the talented players who got complacent. That was a time when squads were far smaller then they are now.

Standards need to be met in terms of workrate. If not then those players should be on the way out. However if a player doesn't have the necessary talent to play with United then he shouldn't even be considered (I am not talking about James here but in general). That's the difference between work rate and talent.
 
Bojan11 said:
Have you seen our form? When did we buy Lingard and Rashford?

Do you think it’s wise to play Greenwood when we so shit. It could ruin his confidence. What if he’s shit along with the rest of the team? Then his confidence is gone.
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Yes yes.... let's shelter the guy and not give him a chance at all.... If your confidence is shot down from the get go, then you don't deserve to be in that profession. No one expects him to score a worldie. But that's just not a good justification for not being given game time when the team has been shite in its entirety.
 
beingshe7don said:
In the grand scheme of things, that's what wins you games.... Not the effort level and how much field coverage you have in a game which people seem to value a lot these days (also explains why Lingard and Young still have a job)
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But it’s the constant running/ always being alert and active on the pitch that puts these top strikers in a position to score so many goals. Top teams win the ball back quickly, to do that you need 11 players all digging in and following the little 10/15 yard movements of the players around them or else it’s all pointless.

One lazy player like Martial will completely ruin a team trying to press, he leaves an avenue to get out and the other team will always find it.
 
Jinn said:
But you are quick to dismiss a young and upcoming player labelling him a "one trick pony".
Nothing I have read from you so far has had any substance. Try being a little more mature in your responses. Here's a thought, how about before you let your fingers do the talking, try thinking about your argument first.
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Appreciate the tip! Thank you.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's not how football works. When you buy players, you're obligated to play them. It really depends on the the way the contracts are written up. Greenwood has been tearing up the U23s and reserves but he's still yet to make a proper debut. Are you saying that Lukaku, Lingard, Martial and Rashford have been substantially better than Greenwood to start off every game this past season?
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Tell that to Chelsea.
 
Castia said:
I’m happy to sign young talent but the rumours are we’re signing 4-5 players, it’s not convincing if he takes one of these spots.

We’re not in a position to take punts on players, we need improvements to our starting 11.
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We’d have to wait and see on if he takes a spot. I just think this is one of those deals we had to move in before other teams get him.

We obviously need a more experienced right winger or forward too. But signing him for £15m shouldn’t leave a big dent in our transfer kitty.
 
Welcome, let's see what he can do.
 
SilentWitness said:
Redcafe is fun.

“We need to start signing these types of players before other clubs sign them up and he’s worth double the price a couple of years later”

United make a bid...

“Why the feck are we going for these players and not the players that are now worth quadruple the price?!?”
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:lol:
 
devilish said:
Not flashes of brilliance, he's brilliant. Unfortunately he lacks commitment and I wouldn't mind if he leaves this year. However saying that this Championship boy who scored what? 5 goals in the Championship? Is an upgrade is silly.
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OL29 said:
Hardly a ridiculous point to say that he's better than a championship winger though is it? I know a lot of people don't like Martial on here but it's hardly ridiculous to say that he's ahead of James right now.
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He's ahead of James sure. James is a bit of an unknown quantity at this point. However the talking up of Martial on here should stop. He's on his second contract, but he still isn't the player we thought he would be for us. He's not brilliant as Devilish claims. Coming up with some silly goals and assists stats doesn't change that.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's not how football works. When you buy players, you're obligated to play them. It really depends on the the way the contracts are written up. Greenwood has been tearing up the U23s and reserves but he's still yet to make a proper debut. Are you saying that Lukaku, Lingard, Martial and Rashford have been substantially better than Greenwood to start off every game this past season?
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We have absolutely no obligation to play anyone, it all comes down to the performances of each player. People seem to overrate the PL reserves league, most players that have been fantastic for our U18 and U23 teams have turned out to be mediocre footballers. Rashford is an absolutely extraordinary talent but still needs to develop to become a world class player, and he is four years older than Greenwood. We have to be patient and let Greenwood develop properly before he is thrown into competetive games at the highest level.
 
These are the sort of singings Fergie/Gill did so well. Same as Pool are doing now.

Young hungry players ready to take the next step, I'd rather give them a chance than Bale at 500kpw
 
Nick7 said:
Don't write a sentence if you don't understand what the sentence means. I mean look at United, Fred and Mkhitaryan didn't really get all the game time in the world, did they? Your posts are utterly nonsensical.
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Just because you don't comprehend what I have typed, does not make it nonsensical. Fred and Mhikitaryan played during Jose's reign where he had his favorites. That's all I'm going to leave it at.
 
Swansea forum posters saying there’s a chance he could be going back on loan to them.
 
devilish said:
That player isn't James though. He's nowhere near as talented as Martial is. At least not yet
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He's not being bought to be starting next season. He has potential but not the finished article. Hence the fee. This signing shouldn't have any bearing on signing better quality players who can start straight away.

Martial has immense talent but his talent is being wasted by himself as of right now. Hopefully he can turn that around because he could be a world beater.
 
devilish said:
That didn't stop Juventus or France to surround him with top talented players though. He was a key player in both sides btw.

If you ask me, United's biggest problem is complacency. Too many players has been here for too long despite not being good enough. This is infecting everyone including the top players. Meanwhile washed up players are desperate to join us as they see us as a good club to take their final pay cheque from.

What is the solution to the problem? SAF tackled it back in late 80s by adding 11 players in 2 years. By doing so, he could get rid of those whose attitude was shit + it also served as a wake up call to the talented players who got complacent. That was a time when squads were far smaller then they are now.
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He was next to harder working talented players like Kante and Matuidi. At United it's just 1, Ander
 
ivaldo said:
Tell that to Chelsea.
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I don't need to.... Chelsea do prove my point.... Jorginho is played ahead of Loftus Cheek when the latter has been much better. Willian and Pedro have been played ahead of Hudson Odoi for the most part.
 
beingshe7don said:
Just because you don't comprehend what I have typed, does not make it nonsensical. Fred and Mhikitaryan played during Jose's reign where he had his favorites. That's all I'm going to leave it at.
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Fred played during Jose’s reign? He barely played and disappear for a few months at one stage.
 
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